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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21872849 - 06/29/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: I just want to take this time to say i really have no problems with gay people at all. I judge them only on how they treat me amd others. Not their sexual preferences.
I am truly sorry for the derogatory remarks i made. They were out of defense on the things said to me. Im not blaming anyone else but its true that if i was never flamed then i wouldnt have said anything negative about gays.
If there were more gay couples and gay people in the world then i would probably change my mind about them adopting. I just dont want children to be singled out and confused. Theres too many "normal" parents and people out there for gay people to be treated as such...sadly. its just how the world is..people suck. And for that..we cant have nice things..such as gays being able to adopt.
I love you guys and appreciate 95% of you and i hppe you dont judge me negatively on just 1 opinion. I am not homophobic and never was.
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That means a lot to me. Its just i didnt start this thread to get the whole shroomery to hate me and i feel that's what happened. I love this place and i agree with everything you said. Imvthe same way even though i may not act like it..i like debating and seeing if i can be convinced otherwise. I never meant to offend anyone. This thread was just ridiculous because literally half the fucking site attacked me and i had to basically fight off them all. You guys think i like to do that? I enjoy the opinions of others on here and learned so much from so many people on here. In my OP i thought i conveyed that i wasnt trying to start shit.
If all of that is sincere, then I'm sorry for the remarks I made, losing my cool and goin' all out hussy on you.
Everyone indeed has the right to an opinion. Next time you have to "defend" yourself though, maybe attack the attacker rather than a group of people who've never done anything to you...except for have a different opinion.
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: 1234go]
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i'm unsure of what policy is on gay couples adopting at this time. up until the SCOTUS ruling it seemed to vary by region, at least from my impression. with same sex marriage being legal, i would tend to think that it would be hard to deny married same sex couples for adoption on the grounds of their sexual identity. i'm curious if the ruling addressed this aspect or if there will have to be another huge case for them to rule on.
as far as op being retarded goes, i think you're just ignorant, and maybe on the simple side when it comes to certain issues. i'm sure there's a fine line in there somewhere.
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Bill_Oreilly said: And i love how im being crucified
See, you're doing it again. You've got a serious messiah complex. You are probably the biggest narcissist on this forum, and coming from me, that says a lot.
you take each word so seriously. Its funny. If I were to say im pissed off, that doesn't mean im about to go kill someone.
just because I used the word "crucify" means nothing.
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Bill_Oreilly said: I just want to take this time to say i really have no problems with gay people at all. I judge them only on how they treat me amd others. Not their sexual preferences.
I am truly sorry for the derogatory remarks i made. They were out of defense on the things said to me. Im not blaming anyone else but its true that if i was never flamed then i wouldnt have said anything negative about gays.
If there were more gay couples and gay people in the world then i would probably change my mind about them adopting. I just dont want children to be singled out and confused. Theres too many "normal" parents and people out there for gay people to be treated as such...sadly. its just how the world is..people suck. And for that..we cant have nice things..such as gays being able to adopt.
I love you guys and appreciate 95% of you and i hppe you dont judge me negatively on just 1 opinion. I am not homophobic and never was.
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That means a lot to me. Its just i didnt start this thread to get the whole shroomery to hate me and i feel that's what happened. I love this place and i agree with everything you said. Imvthe same way even though i may not act like it..i like debating and seeing if i can be convinced otherwise. I never meant to offend anyone. This thread was just ridiculous because literally half the fucking site attacked me and i had to basically fight off them all. You guys think i like to do that? I enjoy the opinions of others on here and learned so much from so many people on here. In my OP i thought i conveyed that i wasnt trying to start shit.
If all of that is sincere, then I'm sorry for the remarks I made, losing my cool and goin' all out hussy on you.
Everyone indeed has the right to an opinion. Next time you have to "defend" yourself though, maybe attack the attacker rather than a group of people who've never done anything to you...except for have a different opinion.
that is extremely sincere. I truly truly meant it.
im just looking out for the kids...for some reason ever since I was little, I felt the need to do so.
if you guys don't believe my way of helping is legit and worthwhile, then that's your opinion. You guys don't need to call me schizo and bring up random things of my past. Im not talking about you specifically, 1234go, im just saying. thank you for accepting my apology. I was backed in a corner by a bunch of lions, of course im going to fight back. I had no choice. One love.
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said: its not deeming the whole group inferior, its a preventitive thing. Its like a massive drug addict, your going to think he might steal from you for drug money, your going to wonder if he has a disease from shooting up all the time, you wonder these things nomatter who you are, what you do might be different.
Im sure everyone would say drug addicts make shitty parents, thats treating an entire group of people inferior.....yet there's no real backing up of proof for that either, some steal, some don't, some catch diseases, some dont. Its about prevention, its about what most consider a basic life, its about whats fair to a child, because the child doesn't get a choice society has to make it for them. Its just like abortion, the child doesn't get a choice, so some people convince themselves the child doesn't even exist, while others say its the womens body, no its the womens body that has a childs body inside it, she in most cases made the choice to have a kid just like everyone else involved, but then thinks she gets a free out of jail card because she's a women. Meanwhile men get zero decision in killed the babys 'body'.
Its the ideology im comparing here, a child is adopted by gays, the child doesn't get a choice, his life is entirely in his parents hands in terms of how he turns out. And there is no doubt in my mind that a child will have an increased chance of turning out gay because of it, weither coached into it or not.
The only real debate around all that, is weither being gay is a bad thing, or 'inferior' as you might say. To me, it sure isn't something to strive for, your going against the way your body was built to work, and remember the argument about tv ads and manipulations about what we find attractive when u read that, take that into account. Can you become gay and love being gay, obviously. But would you have been happier with a fuller life, and a fuller potential for life otherwise?
Thats why gays adopt children, because their life can never be full with the choices they made otherwise. Which in my mind is a book closer on the topic if they were so happy being gay, they wouldn't have the need to adopt. being gay means no offspring, you choose a life of infertility on purpose only to backtrack and want to adopt.
Wow. I wish I could explain it half as good as you. I agree with basically everything you just said. Thank you. Like I said, I wish I didn't lack the ability to explain myself as good as you. My words are like childrens words compared to how you use language.
You the man
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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The bottom line is this...and until we figure it out, this debate is useless because both sides have great points...
We will never know what the right choice is until we fucking figure out how much gay people affect the people/children around them. The tricky thing is this---everyone is so different--so 1 set of gay parents might be awesome parents, and another set of gay parents may be fucking the kid up mentally doing whatever gay things they do.
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#21873557 - 06/29/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Research and studies have proven that gay parents do no more harm to their kids than straight parents.
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4. Foster kids do equally well when adopted by gay, lesbian or heterosexual parents. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, October 2012. http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/foster-children-adopted-by-gay-239748.aspx
5. Same-sex couples raising adopted children are older, more educated, and have more economic resources than other adoptive parents. The Williams Institute, Adoption and Foster Care by Gay and Lesbian Parents in the United States, March 2007.
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11. Lesbian, gay or heterosexual adoptive parents raise equally well-adjusted children. http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/parenting/goldberg-smith-jpf-jul-2013/
12. Lesbian, gay, and heterosexual parents bond equally well with adopted children. http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/parenting/goldberg-moyer-kinkler-jul-2013-cfprp/
13. Adoptive parents’ ability to work cooperatively with each other is more important than sexual orientation in raising children with fewer behavior problems. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-07/uoma-rac071213.php
14. Teens with lesbian mothers are psychologically well-adjusted, academically successful, and report strong family bonds and quality social relationships with their peers. http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gartell-Bos-NLLFS-Peds-Jun-2010.pdf
15. Lesbian and gay couples are adopt transracially more often than heterosexual couples; transracial adoptions also occur more often among interracial rather than same-race couples. http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Patterson-Farr-TransracialAdoption-Aug-20091.pdf
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21873558 - 06/29/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: its not deeming the whole group inferior, its a preventitive thing. Its like a massive drug addict, your going to think he might steal from you for drug money, your going to wonder if he has a disease from shooting up all the time, you wonder these things nomatter who you are, what you do might be different.
Im sure everyone would say drug addicts make shitty parents, thats treating an entire group of people inferior.....yet there's no real backing up of proof for that either, some steal, some don't, some catch diseases, some dont. Its about prevention, its about what most consider a basic life, its about whats fair to a child, because the child doesn't get a choice society has to make it for them. Its just like abortion, the child doesn't get a choice, so some people convince themselves the child doesn't even exist, while others say its the womens body, no its the womens body that has a childs body inside it, she in most cases made the choice to have a kid just like everyone else involved, but then thinks she gets a free out of jail card because she's a women. Meanwhile men get zero decision in killed the babys 'body'.
Its the ideology im comparing here, a child is adopted by gays, the child doesn't get a choice, his life is entirely in his parents hands in terms of how he turns out. And there is no doubt in my mind that a child will have an increased chance of turning out gay because of it, weither coached into it or not.
The only real debate around all that, is weither being gay is a bad thing, or 'inferior' as you might say. To me, it sure isn't something to strive for, your going against the way your body was built to work, and remember the argument about tv ads and manipulations about what we find attractive when u read that, take that into account. Can you become gay and love being gay, obviously. But would you have been happier with a fuller life, and a fuller potential for life otherwise?
Thats why gays adopt children, because their life can never be full with the choices they made otherwise. Which in my mind is a book closer on the topic if they were so happy being gay, they wouldn't have the need to adopt. being gay means no offspring, you choose a life of infertility on purpose only to backtrack and want to adopt.
And I take back what I said about you being hard to follow, that's crystal clear and I'd have to say I agree with most of it.
Good counterpoints and observations.
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said: Research and studies have proven that gay parents do no more harm to their kids than straight parents.
https://www.raiseachild.us/press-relations/15-facts-about-lgbt-parents/
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4. Foster kids do equally well when adopted by gay, lesbian or heterosexual parents. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, October 2012. http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/foster-children-adopted-by-gay-239748.aspx
5. Same-sex couples raising adopted children are older, more educated, and have more economic resources than other adoptive parents. The Williams Institute, Adoption and Foster Care by Gay and Lesbian Parents in the United States, March 2007.
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11. Lesbian, gay or heterosexual adoptive parents raise equally well-adjusted children. http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/parenting/goldberg-smith-jpf-jul-2013/
12. Lesbian, gay, and heterosexual parents bond equally well with adopted children. http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/parenting/goldberg-moyer-kinkler-jul-2013-cfprp/
13. Adoptive parents’ ability to work cooperatively with each other is more important than sexual orientation in raising children with fewer behavior problems. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-07/uoma-rac071213.php
14. Teens with lesbian mothers are psychologically well-adjusted, academically successful, and report strong family bonds and quality social relationships with their peers. http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gartell-Bos-NLLFS-Peds-Jun-2010.pdf
15. Lesbian and gay couples are adopt transracially more often than heterosexual couples; transracial adoptions also occur more often among interracial rather than same-race couples. http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Patterson-Farr-TransracialAdoption-Aug-20091.pdf
l also saw a study the other day that eating ince-cream makes you smart.
the point is, if you are actively looking for something in a study, you will find it. Not all studies though, but studies about gay, im sure there is biased results either way you look at it.
almost everyday on facebook I see these ridiculous studies that make no sense.
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21873570 - 06/29/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then cut the lip service and admit your reasons for being opposed to gay adoption are illogical, probably emotional reasons.
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BlindSophist said: Then cut the lip service and admit your reasons for being opposed to gay adoption and admit that it is for illogical, probably emotional reasons.
if its so obvious that im wrong and "illogical" then take it up with the millions of people who vote. Blame Obama or something like everyone does. the fact is, the majority of people agree with me.
Again, everything you say is your opinion, same with me.
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21873585 - 06/29/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've posted facts, but you think they should be disqualified because you don't know how to read them.
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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im going to get a bunch of scientists together and have them do a study proving that schizo's are never wrong. I guarantee they could find some little bullshit fact and twist it to make it sound like the study is correct.
even though of course its bogus.
but hey, since I have the completed study, It proves schizos are alwys right!
see what im saying?
Studies are bullshit.
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BlindSophist said: I've posted facts, but you think they should be disqualified because you don't know how to read them.
I have this little theory....want to hear it?
Theres no such thing as a fact. Only the perception of a fact being a fact exists.
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Certainly not when your opinion means more to you than the reality of the situation does.
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BlindSophist said: Certainly not when your opinion means more to you than the reality of the situation does.
And that's just another opinion of yours. Plain and simple.
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trekie said: All people are capable of being shitty parents. Race , sexual orientation or religious beliefs don't make you a qualified parent or unqualified for that matter.
I think this puts it all best.
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Newsflash. Straight parents fuck kids up plenty.
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21873607 - 06/29/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im exhausted. You guys drain me out. Going to go smoke a cig and take a nap.
sorry again if I offended anyone. I love gay people and the gay people on here are my all-time favorite gays. Don't think im trying to not let you have a family, because its much deeper than that. I truly wish the best for especially you guys. peace
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Re: Some kid on facebook just called me retarded...is he right? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21873620 - 06/29/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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l also saw a study the other day that eating ince-cream makes you smart.
the point is, if you are actively looking for something in a study, you will find it. Not all studies though, but studies about gay, im sure there is biased results either way you look at it.
almost everyday on facebook I see these ridiculous studies that make no sense.
are you really saying that the whole of academic study amounts to confirmation bias?
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