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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: bootster]
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bootster said:
The whiteness on these guys came from over spray of azadirachtin. Apparently they didn't like it. What indicates the spider mite problem? That's what I got the azadirachtin for anyway. I'll find some neem oil.


Never mind that, azadirachtin is the active principle in neem oil. :laugh:
RSM damage is the combined effect of lots of diminutive mites, each one poking its proboscis into a single epidermal cell at a time to suck its innards. The cell thus damaged dies and turn brown and the mite moves on to the next cell. The plants start to appear ashy-grey until brown or grey all over, usually around the growing point first (where the cells are more tender). However, a chemical damage like the one you report may look the same, for it has the same effect on the plant, i.e., the death of the epidermal layer. Anyway, once passed or the mites gone the plant will make a complete recovery, although there will always be a scar left.


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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: bootster]
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azadirachtin is one of the actives in neem.
Trichs don't like neem applied directly, wash them again afterwards and keep out of strong sun for a while if you do topically apply neem.


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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: bootster] * 1
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One thing bonsai growers do a lot is train trees on a rock.  It would be rad to get a bonsai cactus growing out of a rock like that, would bring a whole new level to living in the stone age and would definitely be in the spirit of bonsai, which is to capture the look of an old and venerable plant struggling to stay alive on a precarious, windswept cliff.  The fact that a lot of cacti exploit niches in boulders in the wild makes it an even better idea.  Looking forward to seeing what you do with your bonsais.  :grin:

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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: LSoares]
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So basically we should trim roots, enclose in small containers and provide low light ? And how is possible to develop a tap root?


I wonder if it would be possible to bonsai also different kind of cacti, like lophophora.
I mean, sure it is already a Slow growing one, and only tiny roots could be trimmed, but it has already the tap root.


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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: Lemnaminor]
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Lemnaminor said:
I wonder if it would be possible to bonsai also different kind of cacti, like lophophora.
I mean, sure it is already a Slow growing one, and only tiny roots could be trimmed, but it has already the tap root.


I have a pair of loph seedlings sown in 2009 that are just now reaching 1cm!


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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
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What if they are Alberto-Vojtechii ? :aweohyou:


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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: Lemnaminor]
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Lemnaminor said:
So basically we should trim roots, enclose in small containers and provide low light ? And how is possible to develop a tap root?


I wonder if it would be possible to bonsai also different kind of cacti, like lophophora.
I mean, sure it is already a Slow growing one, and only tiny roots could be trimmed, but it has already the tap root.


Tap root is the first root they grow.  You actually want to cut the tap root and encourage the smaller feeder roots, that's what you do on bonsai trees anyway.  With cactus it works king of like re-rooting a degraft.  You cut the taproot, let it callous then re-pot and let them re-root.  With bonsai trees every couple of years when the feeder roots get too long you trim them back again.  Some people cut the taproot on lophophora and astrophytum just as a method of keeping them happier in a shallow pot.  It supposedly reduces the chances of rot and keeps them from pushing up out of the soil as the tap-root grows. 

And you don't actually starve bonsai trees or diminish their light, that would kill them.  You constantly trim the roots and foliage back to attain the desired shape.  I think not fertilizing, keeping in straight rock and watering only once or twice a year with normal light would keep your cactus bonsai looking good.  It would probably be easier in cold northern climates where their growing season is shorter and they're dormant most of the year anyway. 

Trying to achieve a mini-desert habitat look to your bonsai cactus would be a good goal, as much attention is paid to pot shape, rock outcroppings and the surrounding bed of moss and lichen in traditional bonsai with the aim of creating a miniature landscape, thus similar attention to detail would add authenticity to your cactus bonsai.

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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: mandrin13]
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Those your plants in the PICTURES?!

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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: mandrin13]
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Is that a portulacaria at the center oof first picture?  Fusing awesome


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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: mandrin13]
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Is that a portulacaria at center of first picture?  Fucking awesome


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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: Lemnaminor]
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Not mine, I wish.  I just wanted to use more chinese to stay politically correct for Argyreia.


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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: mandrin13]
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Just googling bonsai cactus is pretty rad.  This opuntia is brilliant:

So is this guy:

This zygocactus is absolutely tits.


So there are definitely some bonsai cactus out there.  This thread has inspired me to do more along these lines.  One thing I've noticed, it seems like getting the cactus to pup and branch gives it a more miniature, "bonsai" look.  Perhaps injuring/removing the apical meristem or very carefully adding some 6-bap to the top early on would help with that. 

At any rate, it seems like all the pruning/training, minaturized landscape and artificially aging concepts that apply to bonsai trees can easily be adapted to cactus cultivation.  :rockon:

Edited by P.Zappatecorum (03/11/15 10:51 PM)

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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
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Here are a few of my cacti that I think are kind of "bonsai" if only because they are staying pretty damn small due to my low light and their relative young age.  The two bridgesii are grown from seed and are about 2 years old and the lophs and ferocactus are degrafts that had stalled on pereskiopsis.  One bridgesii is even actually in a bonsai pot, so there's that. :lol:
 
Ferocactus sp.

T. bridgesii

T. bridgesii

L. Williamsii in the middle flanked by two tiny koehresii.

@OP, you want to re-name your thread the cactus-bonsai or the ethno-bonsai thread?  I do regular bonsai and I think it would be cool to have a thread where people do bonsai on cactus and other entheogenic plants.  Could have some very interesting results.

Edited by P.Zappatecorum (03/11/15 11:04 PM)

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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
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I was thinking about ways to make a cacti bend naturally and the only thing I could come up with is tape over the soil so it doesn't spill out and lay the pot on its side. It will grow to the light and water with a syringe and needle through the tape.

Maybe this is a dumb idea. Ill have to try it!

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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: mandrin13]
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mandrin13 said:
Not mine, I wish.  I just wanted to use more chinese to stay politically correct for Argyreia.


Sorry for you but chinese is not the international language.

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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: Argyreia]
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Argyreia said:
mandrin13 said:
Not mine, I wish.  I just wanted to use more chinese to stay politically correct for Argyreia.


Sorry for you but chinese is not the international language.


Chinese is the most prevalent language in the world with over a billion speakers, therefore the most accepted language in the world which means it IS the language.


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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: Argyreia]
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Who the hell cares?!
Cool your britches. There are plenty of things to get bitchy about, but this just isn't one of em.

Not that it matters.

http://www.omniglot.com/language/articles/engunilang.php

""English is without a doubt the actual universal language.
It is the world's second largest native language, the official language
in 70 countries, and English-speaking countries are responsible for about
40% of world's total GNP. English as a Universal Language - Omniglot""

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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: 1234go]
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1 billion people disagree


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Re: Bonsai Peruvian Torch? [Re: mandrin13]
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Cool story bro. :rolleyes:

It's not that hard to use a converter. I've been doing this for a very long time seeing I'm from a region that uses metric. The website is primarily US based so imperial is the most posted unit of measurement, and this is not likely to change in the near future. I suggest people get used to it and not fill this forum up with banal, tit-for-tat arguments over which measurement is most used worldwide, or language for that matter. There's other forums that cater to that sort of conversation.

With that said I'd like people to keep to the topic at hand. Thanks.


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