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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Demonichildren]
    #5315687 - 02/19/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Honestly what is the point in growing them? You can either go on eBay and buy huge Peruvian torches for dirt or you can buy Peruvian torch powder from X source imported to the USA. If you want the X source im me. Peace




Well,its kind of what you are interested in.There are more points than one...

Point one : Some people actually like growing plants,and they dont see cacti as mere mescaline contairners.Weird huh?

Point two : Having a planted cactus is like having a "goose with golden eggs".Slowly but steadily it can give you a sustained supply of goods if thats the only you are interested in.

Point three: You become self-sufficient (That of course goes out of the window if one has seen tripping as a "lifestyle" meaning that every weekend has to be altered)

Point four: Do you really think that cacti like these are going to be sold online forever with no intervention from certain govermental agencies?

Point five : You can share it with other people that want to grow it.Even if you stop growing or something awfull happens to it ,you would have still someone in your circle growing it. Dont expect dealers to carry this item ,however fancy they might be (from internet dealers to street ones).

Point Six: Dont you think that voraciously using online sources is becoming a fashion which can harm the plants legal stature even if the harm is of the calibre of 5% (which is not,but we minimise it just for arguments sake).Notice also the trend of cacti being sold in more prepared forms ,closer and closer to isolated alkaloids.From live potted cacti,the bussiness moved to *wink-wink* cuttings and then to powdered specimens,well whats next? Concentrated resin? (We will also see that if its not already on the market). Being depended on suhc sources and given that the demand of this products is already big,it kinda makes vendors thing along the liens of "easy highs" (since they are more "buyable" ) which as said before can harm the legal stature of those plants. The buyers regulated demand :laugh:


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Psiloman]
    #5315709 - 02/19/06 06:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fuckin' aye mate. Growing cacti is a great hobby. It is not hard to spend long lengths of time just hanging out with your cacti. I spend at least half an hour a day with these guys.


Another reason to grow them is that you know they're organic - no systemic pesticides etc. (unless you use them...which you wouldn't)...

Good on ya for starting your own collection. Look after it well and it will give you much more enjoyment than just a 'trip'.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Cyano]
    #5317013 - 02/19/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Cyano - Grait little cacti they are doing very well as I can tell!


Edited by cvele (02/19/06 04:29 PM)


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: zee_werp]
    #5317070 - 02/19/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Zee_werp - really very very beutiful cacti u got there!


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5319887 - 02/20/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, they are doing well. But I hope they are not Cuzcoensis. I searched the Internet for Cuzcoensis picture but the ones I found did not make me much wiser. The only thing that I understood that they have quite long spines and that the ribs are closer together.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Cyano]
    #5320466 - 02/20/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Why do you hope they are not Cuzcoensis??
Look here: http://www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?s=8153dce7793cf0a6af711dfe9f6158ad&showtopic=34495

It is stated by certain M S Smith that ""T. peruvianus" KK242 is T. cuzcoensis" and I supose it is true as this thread is 'pinned' in a very good cactus forum...


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5320480 - 02/20/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, it is a very good cactus forum because of ms smith... so it's a chicken/egg issue :smile:

There are cuzcoensis pictures all over the place, generally titled "peruvianus"

Bouncingb.com has one.
http://www.sacredcactus.com/peruvian_torch7.htm
http://www.sacredcactus.com/peruvian_torch10.htm

These are good too, just replace any real "Peruvianus" with macrogonus, and you're good. Their cuzco identification seems on track.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5320498 - 02/20/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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cvele said:
Why do you hope they are not Cuzcoensis??
Look here: http://www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?s=8153dce7793cf0a6af711dfe9f6158ad&showtopic=34495

It is stated by certain M S Smith that ""T. peruvianus" KK242 is T. cuzcoensis" and I supose it is true as this thread is 'pinned' in a very good cactus forum...




kk242 is little active ,


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: giz]
    #5320635 - 02/20/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Right.

MS Smith is pointing out the fact that we have bunk cactus all over the place. The very picture on BBB's site is cuzcoensis, weak weak weak. They have different batches though. I like the reasons that the link I provided gave. Importing good ones suck, and there are mass greenhouses pumping out the lame kk242 in california.

Live "torch" from the USA - Cuzcoensis kk242, weak usually.
"Torch" powder or skin from south america - Macrogonus.

I totally misread the intention of that post before, didn't realize it meant to imply that cuzcoensis were good because they were commonly sold as torch, it'd the opposite.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5320839 - 02/20/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I totally misread the intention of that post before, didn't realize it meant to imply that cuzcoensis were good because they were commonly sold as torch, it'd the opposite.




Well, I also misread it, (didn't take time to read everything) and came to conclusion that Cuzcoensis is the Macrogonus :smile: I am not yet familiar enough with beautiful Trichocereus family...


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5323619 - 02/21/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks elgr for these 2 links. I am now convinced that they are Peruvianus. The spines are not white and they can be blue. When I put the seedlings under lights they got a blue-green colour at first. They did not grow for a while then. Since they started growing again they turned more green.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Cyano]
    #5323780 - 02/21/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Cool, I'd still love to see some pics when possible.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5324438 - 02/21/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

hey elgr, whadoya think bout that cutting from pictures above, does it look familiar to you? Would you say that's some fine alkaloid rich tricho?


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5324490 - 02/21/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm really not the best guy to ask for trich ID. I can say that it certainly doesn't look like a cuzcoensis. I'm not familliar enough with macrogonus to ID it, especially considering all the other possibilities. Was it despined before it was sent to you? They're quite small.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5324586 - 02/21/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'd say it probably has normal alkaloid content...it doesn't look anything like a KK242 to me.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5324703 - 02/21/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Was it despined before it was sent to you? They're quite small.




Well yes they despined it and since it's not growing yet there is no untouched spines.

Thanx elgr and zee_werp, I hope it turns out to be ok and I hope I manage to build a small greenhouse on top of my building this spring as my balcony is to shaded for cacti!


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5326317 - 02/21/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Whatever it is, it's more interesting than a kk242.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5336842 - 02/25/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well if you live in an apartment good luck growing cacti for use other than looks. Besides pervuian torch and san pedro aren't exactly the best looking cacti compared to other genus. 1000W MH at 16 hours a day is pretty expense for a indoor grower of cacti.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Demonichildren]
    #5336936 - 02/25/06 01:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You can grow them surprisingly well with a system of CFL. You can easily get over an inch of growth each month. Not that there'd be anything wrong with growing them for looks. I find them more attractive than many other columnar cacti. Especially the blue tone of the "real" peruvianus, and not the green, thinner, long spined cuzcoensis.


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