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Peruvian Torch
    #5309502 - 02/17/06 04:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hi I just received an 8 cm peruvian torch and I want to know what's the best way to place it in the soil, how much water, and the estimated time it gets roots. Also I want to know how much fertilizer is ok to give and the amount of water.
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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5310363 - 02/17/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Don't water or fertilize it at all until it grows roots. Not a drop!

And don't fertilize until the growth really starts showing, and it is in an active season. Once the roots are established you can go a bit nuts in the summer, if you're careful.

Do a search on proper soil. Sacredcactus.com has a good idea. Don't just use normal cactus soil. Generally, you want a sandy soil that drains well, with a buffered ph.

Just wait, they work like magic. And if you bought your 'peruvianus' from a site in the US or canada (anywhere but where they grow naturally, actually), do a search on my posts for peruvianus and read the rants. I've done it too many times to respectably repeat. :smile:

If that's the case, and your goal is having an active cactus, I highly suggest ordering some bridgesii, pachanoi, or macrogonus (and others) for your collection from different sources, get a little variability, as genetically weak cacti can be common.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5310480 - 02/17/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, thanks :heart:
I didn't made the order from a US site, I've ordered it from azarius and I intend to order some more if everything goes ok. Umm.... and two more questions: firs is that the part where cactus have been cut is kind of dry. should I make one more fresh cutting before putting it into soil?
And second, after how much time will it grow roots, how can I tell, so I can water it?


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5310527 - 02/17/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"Do not water for 1 or 2 weeks after potting. Let the section get used to the dirt and begin to search for water on its own by budding roots. Ribs will suck inward and become thin as the specimen uses up its internal resources, when the ribs begin to fatten up you know you have a good root system. "

I usually just give it a month. These things pop out roots like crazy, even out of the sides if they aren't planted.

Normally, I'd suggest that a 'smart shop' cactus is a cuzcoensis. Not so sure about whats in the picture here though: http://azarius.net/images/tmp/azarius.net_trperuvianusgroep.jpg maybe someone else can help. It looks a little like 2 pedro next to a macrogonus. Got any pictures of your cactus? Hopefully it is indeed a macrogonus, you'd be quite lucky.

Oh, and you want the base to be dry when you plant it. Less chance for infections. If it were a fresh cut, I'd suggest to leave it out until it heals. I find that if you leave it unplanted long enough, lots of little root buds pop out.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5310739 - 02/17/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'll post a pic within a few days cause a friend has a camera.
And tahnks again for the info.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5311479 - 02/17/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

8 " are small and take years to mate with the conditions if they even like them. Place it callloused end on sandy loose soil where it wont get water for years and let it extend itself into the earth by desire alone. Otherwise it will rot.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: eve69]
    #5312088 - 02/17/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Not true. You're suggesting to wait years before watering? No way.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5312272 - 02/17/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It will rot very easily, if not cared for. Shouldnt take a year to get situated, but a few months wouldnt suprise me at all.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Legoulash]
    #5312515 - 02/18/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

4 months are fine for peruvianus.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: funnybunny]
    #5312643 - 02/18/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You can give it some moisture after 6 weeks without hurting it. If it's little enough water that it is dry by the end of the day, there's nothing to worry about. It depends on how much heat and/or sunlight they're getting. Water in the morning.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5312734 - 02/18/06 05:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

With light and heat there should be no problem cause I have a good place to put it where it can get both. Today I'm going to buy a pot and soil for the cactus. My question is about how many centimeters should I place it in the soil?


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5313573 - 02/18/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Enough so that its heavy ass won't fall over. :smile:


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5314078 - 02/18/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:biggrin: :biggrin:


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5314243 - 02/18/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I got 16 cm T. peruvianus cutting from Azarius 3 months ago and it was fat and solid as rock. It rooted in few weeks (2-4), and now is fully rooted just hasn't started to grow yet, but it is to early really.
I sprinkled it with water every day since I potted it and recently started to water it a little...
Hope it is some good and bitter strain...


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5314914 - 02/18/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

do *you* have a picture then?

If it's rooted, it just needs some heat and light and it should start taking off soon.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5315256 - 02/19/06 12:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Man just put it in some soil. Those pervuian torch and san pedros grow pretty easy I find.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Demonichildren]
    #5315304 - 02/19/06 12:40 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, but don't get 'cactus soil' most stores stock. It low ph, and not aerated or quick draining enough. Mix some non-peat based compost, perlite, and some sand.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5315574 - 02/19/06 03:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

In absence of a decent camera here are some bad images:





It has 9 ribs at the lower half and 7 ribs in the upper part.
It sticks 13.5 cm above the ground, 2.5 cm is in the ground, so whole cutting is about 16 cm long.
It was wrapped in that stress-relieving plastic foil with air bubbles (plop! snap!) and than rolled in fat cardboard so it was completely safe. However, spines are mostly removed so I cannt tell much about their original look. Some areoles look as it was Bridgesii and some have dominating central spine.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5315628 - 02/19/06 03:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Honestly what is the point in growing them? You can either go on eBay and buy huge Peruvian torches for dirt or you can buy Peruvian torch powder from X source imported to the USA. If you want the X source im me. Peace


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Demonichildren]
    #5315675 - 02/19/06 05:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I also bought Peruvian Torch from Azarius. Not plants, but seeds. They don?t seem to have very long spines. May be they are the short spined Peruvianus.
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00000063sf.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00003133dy.jpg

A picture of what is supposed to be a Pachanoi. It has longer spines than the Peruvianus.
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00003099rz.jpg


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Demonichildren]
    #5315687 - 02/19/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Honestly what is the point in growing them? You can either go on eBay and buy huge Peruvian torches for dirt or you can buy Peruvian torch powder from X source imported to the USA. If you want the X source im me. Peace




Well,its kind of what you are interested in.There are more points than one...

Point one : Some people actually like growing plants,and they dont see cacti as mere mescaline contairners.Weird huh?

Point two : Having a planted cactus is like having a "goose with golden eggs".Slowly but steadily it can give you a sustained supply of goods if thats the only you are interested in.

Point three: You become self-sufficient (That of course goes out of the window if one has seen tripping as a "lifestyle" meaning that every weekend has to be altered)

Point four: Do you really think that cacti like these are going to be sold online forever with no intervention from certain govermental agencies?

Point five : You can share it with other people that want to grow it.Even if you stop growing or something awfull happens to it ,you would have still someone in your circle growing it. Dont expect dealers to carry this item ,however fancy they might be (from internet dealers to street ones).

Point Six: Dont you think that voraciously using online sources is becoming a fashion which can harm the plants legal stature even if the harm is of the calibre of 5% (which is not,but we minimise it just for arguments sake).Notice also the trend of cacti being sold in more prepared forms ,closer and closer to isolated alkaloids.From live potted cacti,the bussiness moved to *wink-wink* cuttings and then to powdered specimens,well whats next? Concentrated resin? (We will also see that if its not already on the market). Being depended on suhc sources and given that the demand of this products is already big,it kinda makes vendors thing along the liens of "easy highs" (since they are more "buyable" ) which as said before can harm the legal stature of those plants. The buyers regulated demand :laugh:


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Psiloman]
    #5315709 - 02/19/06 06:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fuckin' aye mate. Growing cacti is a great hobby. It is not hard to spend long lengths of time just hanging out with your cacti. I spend at least half an hour a day with these guys.


Another reason to grow them is that you know they're organic - no systemic pesticides etc. (unless you use them...which you wouldn't)...

Good on ya for starting your own collection. Look after it well and it will give you much more enjoyment than just a 'trip'.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Cyano]
    #5317013 - 02/19/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Cyano - Grait little cacti they are doing very well as I can tell!


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: zee_werp]
    #5317070 - 02/19/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Zee_werp - really very very beutiful cacti u got there!


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5319887 - 02/20/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, they are doing well. But I hope they are not Cuzcoensis. I searched the Internet for Cuzcoensis picture but the ones I found did not make me much wiser. The only thing that I understood that they have quite long spines and that the ribs are closer together.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Cyano]
    #5320466 - 02/20/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Why do you hope they are not Cuzcoensis??
Look here: http://www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?s=8153dce7793cf0a6af711dfe9f6158ad&showtopic=34495

It is stated by certain M S Smith that ""T. peruvianus" KK242 is T. cuzcoensis" and I supose it is true as this thread is 'pinned' in a very good cactus forum...


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5320480 - 02/20/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, it is a very good cactus forum because of ms smith... so it's a chicken/egg issue :smile:

There are cuzcoensis pictures all over the place, generally titled "peruvianus"

Bouncingb.com has one.
http://www.sacredcactus.com/peruvian_torch7.htm
http://www.sacredcactus.com/peruvian_torch10.htm

These are good too, just replace any real "Peruvianus" with macrogonus, and you're good. Their cuzco identification seems on track.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5320498 - 02/20/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Why do you hope they are not Cuzcoensis??
Look here: http://www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?s=8153dce7793cf0a6af711dfe9f6158ad&showtopic=34495

It is stated by certain M S Smith that ""T. peruvianus" KK242 is T. cuzcoensis" and I supose it is true as this thread is 'pinned' in a very good cactus forum...




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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: giz]
    #5320635 - 02/20/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Right.

MS Smith is pointing out the fact that we have bunk cactus all over the place. The very picture on BBB's site is cuzcoensis, weak weak weak. They have different batches though. I like the reasons that the link I provided gave. Importing good ones suck, and there are mass greenhouses pumping out the lame kk242 in california.

Live "torch" from the USA - Cuzcoensis kk242, weak usually.
"Torch" powder or skin from south america - Macrogonus.

I totally misread the intention of that post before, didn't realize it meant to imply that cuzcoensis were good because they were commonly sold as torch, it'd the opposite.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5320839 - 02/20/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I totally misread the intention of that post before, didn't realize it meant to imply that cuzcoensis were good because they were commonly sold as torch, it'd the opposite.




Well, I also misread it, (didn't take time to read everything) and came to conclusion that Cuzcoensis is the Macrogonus :smile: I am not yet familiar enough with beautiful Trichocereus family...


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5323619 - 02/21/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks elgr for these 2 links. I am now convinced that they are Peruvianus. The spines are not white and they can be blue. When I put the seedlings under lights they got a blue-green colour at first. They did not grow for a while then. Since they started growing again they turned more green.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Cyano]
    #5323780 - 02/21/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Cool, I'd still love to see some pics when possible.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5324438 - 02/21/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

hey elgr, whadoya think bout that cutting from pictures above, does it look familiar to you? Would you say that's some fine alkaloid rich tricho?


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5324490 - 02/21/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm really not the best guy to ask for trich ID. I can say that it certainly doesn't look like a cuzcoensis. I'm not familliar enough with macrogonus to ID it, especially considering all the other possibilities. Was it despined before it was sent to you? They're quite small.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5324586 - 02/21/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'd say it probably has normal alkaloid content...it doesn't look anything like a KK242 to me.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5324703 - 02/21/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Was it despined before it was sent to you? They're quite small.




Well yes they despined it and since it's not growing yet there is no untouched spines.

Thanx elgr and zee_werp, I hope it turns out to be ok and I hope I manage to build a small greenhouse on top of my building this spring as my balcony is to shaded for cacti!


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: cvele]
    #5326317 - 02/21/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Whatever it is, it's more interesting than a kk242.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5336842 - 02/25/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well if you live in an apartment good luck growing cacti for use other than looks. Besides pervuian torch and san pedro aren't exactly the best looking cacti compared to other genus. 1000W MH at 16 hours a day is pretty expense for a indoor grower of cacti.


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Re: Peruvian Torch [Re: Demonichildren]
    #5336936 - 02/25/06 01:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You can grow them surprisingly well with a system of CFL. You can easily get over an inch of growth each month. Not that there'd be anything wrong with growing them for looks. I find them more attractive than many other columnar cacti. Especially the blue tone of the "real" peruvianus, and not the green, thinner, long spined cuzcoensis.


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