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Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown?
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I ask this, because due to some laziness, I have some mushrooms that grew rather sloppy. Small, buised caps. Half thick half thin stems..etc.


can this mean that they are weaker than mushrooms that came out perfect? or is "a mushroom just a mmushroom" no matter what it looks like?


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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from my knowledge its all about genetics . ive also read that stressing things that produnce such chemicals to repel insects do so more when stressed . I read that about cactus not sure if it goes the same for mushies. :shrug:


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: mrbart4444]
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I've never noticed a correlation between potency and aesthetics. Genetics Determine the potency, as far as I know.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: TheMustardTiger] * 1
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Environment has an effect on growth so theoretically it would also have an effect on chemical production.

All life forms are effected by their environment.

Genetics determine potency, but that is only the potential maximum.
Environment can either hold back, or help what the genes are capable of.

Everything from single cell organisms to humans are effected by their environment.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Mushroom_J]
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Well said man!

Nature provides the potential while the environment expresses that potential.

I would assume perfect growing conditions would express genetics best.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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I've always gotten the impression on the forum that environment only effects size and weight.
If this were true, you'd be better off growing with shitty FAE
so that the mushrooms have less physical matter...smaller caps, longer stems.. instead of size and tissue density, while retaining the same amount of psychoactive chemicals.

Look at mono pics. One with proper conditions, vs one with shitty FAE.
The shitty FAE mono always produces skinny scraggly little fucks.
You don't get the weight etc...
If potency wasn't effected then pound for pound shitty FAE shrooms would be superior.

Someone needs to double agent their way into a lab so we can get some real testing done lol.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Mushroom_J] * 3
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it's genetic. asians are better at math if born in america or asia. Black people run faster born in africa or america. White people are still more racist no matter where they were born either. it's genetic.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Mushroom_J]
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In other words, no one really knows for sure.

http://carefordescientific.com/shimadzu-gcms-qp2010-ultra-gas-chromatograph-mass-spectrometer-shimadzu-220-94793-40-ea/

Go buy one of these machines, do some tests and let us know how it goes. :lol:

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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: bodhisatta]
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:lol:

So true, yet so racist!

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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: jessepinkman]
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jessepinkman said:
In other words, no one really knows for sure.

http://carefordescientific.com/shimadzu-gcms-qp2010-ultra-gas-chromatograph-mass-spectrometer-shimadzu-220-94793-40-ea/

Go buy one of these machines, do some tests and let us know how it goes. :lol:


if you set it up right you could do something like ink chromatography.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: bodhisatta]
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jessepinkman said:
In other words, no one really knows for sure.

http://carefordescientific.com/shimadzu-gcms-qp2010-ultra-gas-chromatograph-mass-spectrometer-shimadzu-220-94793-40-ea/

Go buy one of these machines, do some tests and let us know how it goes. :lol:


Jesus fucking christ.

bodhisatta said:
it's genetic. asians are better at math if born in america or asia. Black people run faster born in africa or america. White people are still more racist no matter where they were born either. it's genetic.


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I think this my favorite quote from you.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: bodhisatta]
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bottom line though is potency is so subjective. I have tripped harder on an eighth of the same cubes genetically than I have off of a quarter of them at a different time.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Mushroom_J]
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nicely said


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: bodhisatta]
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Potency is only subjective in that most people don't have the means to actually test it. The GC/MS like I linked would tell you the exact potency if one were so inclined to actually test it.

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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
it's genetic. asians are better at math if born in america or asia. Black people run faster born in africa or america. White people are still more racist no matter where they were born either. it's genetic.


Genetics determine potential.
Environment determines if this potential is met or not.
Environment is more than just where something is.
In this case, it's the chamber, substrate, water, grains and additives.

Math skills can be effected by diet
run speed can be effected by diet and air quality
Racism is just fun.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Mushroom_J]
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Mushroom_J said:
bodhisatta said:
it's genetic. asians are better at math if born in america or asia. Black people run faster born in africa or america. White people are still more racist no matter where they were born either. it's genetic.


Genetics determine potential.
Environment determines if this potential is met or not.
Environment is more than just where something is.
In this case, it's the chamber, substrate, water, grains and additives.

Math skills can be effected by diet
run speed can be effected by diet and air quality
Racism is just fun.


sort of. but we're already giving every cube grow more than enough resources they would never have in the wild. however we're also not giving them some of the nature they would get in the wild. so it's really a horse a piece.

there's some things like fat content and bone density that are going to have big differences based on environment. but your eye color and finger print are genetically determined regardless of environment.

it's so speculative and there's really no science around the psilocybes that it's kind of pointless to wonder unless you're going to go try to dig up information.

for all of us we may as well just try to isolate the strongest ones we can find, and always be honing our growing skills, rather than looking for an easier way out. since up to this point no one has found a miracle substrate or grow chamber that increases potency as tested by empirical methodology.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Mushroom_J]
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its kinda like growing weed . You can have some genticly potent shit but if you treat the plant like shit then you'll lower the levels.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: Mushroom_J]
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Doesn't "diet" and overall conditions effect the nutritional value and flavor of edibles?

Why wouldn't the basic principles be the same for cubes?
I don't think they're some unique life form that isn't effected by these things.

But yea.. eating them is subjective because a persons mood is a huge catalyst in the overall effects of the drug. 1g of the same isolate can have 2 completely different effect on the same person.

It does suck that this has to be an underground hobby where we kind of are left to just assume things.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: mrbart4444]
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mrbart4444 said:
its kinda like growing weed . You can have some genticly potent shit but if you treat the plant like shit then you'll lower the levels.


I don't believe this to be true at all. When I first started growing I produced some very shitty, unhealthy looking mushrooms and they were just as potent as the better looking one's I did later in my career. I'm talking dozens of shitty grows, and dozens and dozens of good grows and no difference noted.


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Re: Can potency vary depending on how the mushroom is grown? [Re: mrbart4444]
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mrbart4444 said:
its kinda like growing weed . You can have some genticly potent shit but if you treat the plant like shit then you'll lower the levels.


weed is much different actually. since the potency is in the trichromes not the whole fruit body. you have to get big nice flowers with weed. with shrooms you just have to get a shroom

get plants completely out of your head when thinking about shrooms. almost nothing crosses over aside from the fact that it's life on earth.


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