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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: stonErollEr1]
    #1262708 - 01/30/03 06:06 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

in my experience straw alone provides lots of fiber and produces many large mushrooms, but the potency has always been lower. mixing dung in with it usually helps and using a unusual amount of grain spawn will definitely increase potency. although strain differences may account for some of it. the TC's i grew on straw alone did ok, but many of the other strains were weaker for sure. i always throw in some dung now, just in case.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: blahblahblah]
    #1263028 - 01/30/03 08:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

my friends mom has grown on 100% straw, cased with 50/50... b+ seemed noticeably weaker on straw than buffalo shiat she had..


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: rawtoxic]
    #1263401 - 01/30/03 10:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)




Edited by Hermes_br (12/13/04 11:02 PM)


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Hermes_br]
    #1263619 - 01/30/03 11:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting stuff Hermes_br. Biochemistry isn't my strongest field but I do find it interesting. I would love to see more information like this circulated on this board. I don't exactly know what resarch has been done out there. In particular I would like to know more about the biochemical process that produces the sought after components of the mushrooms we are all so interested in. I am also interested in finding out more about the nutritional requirements of these same mushrooms. Great stuff Hermes_br.

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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: ]
    #1264205 - 01/31/03 04:51 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Hermes_br]
    #3494368 - 12/13/04 11:04 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Hermes_br]
    #3494474 - 12/13/04 11:23 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

guys, I'm sorry for the bump, i've made a mistake here.

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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Hermes_br]
    #3506920 - 12/16/04 01:15 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

personally .i prefer straw over any substrate there isn't a def in potency that i can see. i always get a plus or minus 10 . on the how high scale from birth to bath . and wheat straw is all i grow on .the yield makes up for any potency that (might ) be lost .


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: sinfull7]
    #3507581 - 12/16/04 07:45 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

This beats STRAW ALONE - hands down:

Potent like a rattlesnake bite.

IF YOU HAVE A PC, this is an easy blend of quasi/compost SYNTHETIC BULK SUBSTRATE.

Finely chopped ground aged /leached horse manure & presoaked finely chopped wheat straw, fortified with a small percentage of home ground BRF & some pre/soaked PC?ed WBS, as a delayed nutrient - source, with a little verm added -to increase its moisture retention capacity.

No exacting magic formula.
For instance, a 5 or 10 gallon size tote tub w/lid. Fill halfway with aged chopped (as fine as you can get it) horse manure. About a 20% portion of pre/soaked finely chopped wheat straw (the finer, the better). A couple pounds of home ground BRF. 3 or 4 quarts of pre/soaked PC?ed millet based WBS (PC?ed will not germinate). About a gallon size volume of vermiculite. Just toss it all in & mix well.

When you want to use it, take out however much you intend to use & add spring water until at field capacity (meaning - when you squeeze it - just a few drops of moisture - drip from it). Then PC the prepared mix (@ 15 psi 60 - 70 minutes) in a autoclave, turkey or tinfoil baking bag.

Allow to cool to room temp & spawn ASAP (sooner the better) @ about 15 to 20 % rate with colonized WBS.

Saran wrap top of container, poke some (10 or 15) pinholes in Saran wrap (for gas exchange), then cover container top with aluminum foil applied crumpled & loose over top & bent over edges a few inches (to keep it in darkness - but still allow some gas exchange).

That is a simple inexpensive bulk blend, that requires no science, or brain surgery to make. If you can find the ingredients (which isn?t tough, if you are tenacious & look for them). Think Feed & seed store for wheat straw & horse stables for horse poo.

Incubated & 80/85F & high rh, so it will not dehydrate. Once fully colonized, case with pasteurized or PC?ed 50/50 Verm - Coir mix , with sprinkle of finely crushed oyster shell (chicken grit - think feed store) to balance & maintain ph of casing mix.
PC'ed substrate mix is in a BAG & easy to protect.

WBS spawn is in 100% colonized quart jars, or autoclave filter/patch bag.

So - both are clean & good to go.

Use 12 quart / 11.4 liter STERILITE dishpan (or similar container).
($1.69 at Walmart)

Bake a few feet of rolled tinfoil in oven @ 350F - 10 - 15 minutes.

In as clean as possible surrounding conditions (cleaned Lysol?ed bathroom - G/B, or flow-hood).

Wear dust or surgical mask, cover hair, have clean hands, if using bathroom.

Spray tub with white VINIGAR
Then, spray with hydrogen peroxide (3% H202).
Wipe dry with sterile gauze pad.
This will KILL any contam on it.

Add sterilized tinfoil to tub BOTTOM & SIDES, if light shines through it.(so light doesn?t penetrate sides & bottom & cause bottom pinning - later).

Open Substrate bag & empty into lined container.

Open spawn jars - or bags & mix into substrate.

Pull out a couple feet Saran Wrap & spray with H202 (no need to wipe off).

Cover container TOP with Saran Wrap, H202 side down.

Pinhole Saran Wrap with alc swabbed needle.

Cover Saran Wrap with prepared & crumpled Tinfoil.

Bingo, you have a CLEAN & self contained substrate - ready to incubate.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: agar]
    #3509007 - 12/16/04 04:11 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

:thanx:, good info


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: blahblahblah]
    #3516185 - 12/18/04 04:30 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Straw has a low trytophan precursor content so i would expect low potency.
Grow with millet - its the best by miles...


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #3516360 - 12/18/04 07:16 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

""Straw has a low trytophan precursor content so i would expect low potency.""

what is the nature of this "trytophan precursor" ?

The chart I?ve posted above shows the biosynthesis pathway of tryptophan in bacteria.
glucose --> tryptophan

It is possible that the same goes for fungi, if not, then tell me were does tryptophan comes from in  the potent woodlovers ?

could  anyone shed a light upon this ?
tryptophan is a psilocybine precursor, but it does not answers the question, where does tryptophan comes from ?

Thanks  :wink:


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Hermes_br]
    #3519047 - 12/19/04 01:33 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Could one mix in uncolonized pc'ed birdseed to straw and then colonized as per usual so that there is more nutrients to be found? My understanding from this log is that the straw is not inhibiting the production, but merely not providing the proper chemicals, right?
Does birdseed or other substrates have higher 'trytophan precursors'.

I need to research what 'trytophan precursors' are now, so please excuse my ignorance.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: franco_on]
    #3519321 - 12/19/04 03:05 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I once ate a whole straw casing and I tripped my balls off.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: micro]
    #3519486 - 12/19/04 04:33 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

:eek: I bet that was a CHEWY sumbitch :shake:

Did you ever find your "balls"? :grin:


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: franco_on]
    #3519493 - 12/19/04 04:38 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

This is an EASY substrate, that results in POTENT shrooms.

IF YOU HAVE A PC = quasi/compost SYNTHETIC BULK SUBSTRATE.

Finely chopped ground aged /leached horse manure & presoaked finely chopped wheat straw, fortified with a small percentage of home ground BRF & some pre/soaked PC?ed WBS, as a delayed nutrient - source, with a little verm added -to increase its moisture retention capacity.

No exacting magic formula.
For instance, a 5 or 10 gallon size tote tub w/lid. Fill halfway with aged chopped (as fine as you can get it) horse manure. About a 20% portion of pre/soaked finely chopped wheat straw (the fine the better). A couple pounds of home ground BRF. 3 or 4 quarts of pre/soaked PC?ed millet based WBS (PC?ed will not germinate). About a gallon size volume of vermiculite. Just toss it all in & mix well.

When you want to use it, take out however much you intend to use & add spring water until at field capacity (meaning - when you squeeze it - just a few drops of moisture - drip from it). Then PC the prepared mix (@ 15 psi 60 - 70 minutes) in a autoclave, turkey or tinfoil baking bag.

Allow to cool to room temp & spawn ASAP (sooner the better) @ about 15 to 20 % rate with colonized WBS.

Saran wrap top of container, poke a some pinholes in Saran wrap (for gas exchange), then cover container top with aluminum foil applied loose over top & bent over edges a few inches (to keep it in darkness - but still allow some gas exchange).

That is a simple inexpensive bulk blend, that requires no science, or brain surgery to make. If you can find the ingredients (which isn?t tough, if you are tenacious & look for them).

Incubated & 80/85F & high rh, so it will not dehydrate. Once fully colonized, case with pasteurized or PC?ed 50/50 Verm - Coir mix , with sprinkle of finely crushed oyster shell (chicken grit - think feed store) to balance & maintain ph of casing mix.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: agar]
    #3519613 - 12/19/04 06:54 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Fruiting in higher temperatures can affect potency as well, in negative way....


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3519766 - 12/19/04 09:38 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

check it out.



from this, one can infer that glucose and nitrogen are key factors for high potency.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Hermes_br]
    #3519990 - 12/19/04 12:16 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

yep people always talk about strains being very poten or much more potent then others.
Its more circumstances and the way they are grown and stored after harvest which influences potency.
All IMHO but I think that potency may vary slightly between strains (and between Isolated strains of the same variety) but most off all it is the grower who has most influence on it.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Hermes_br]
    #3520181 - 12/19/04 01:18 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

the whole thing..



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