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potency of mushrooms grown on straw
    #1222155 - 01/15/03 08:37 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with the mushrooms on straw being unusually weak? I had a friend that grew them out a year or so ago and the potency was very low compared to birdseed or rye in my opinion. I know clubb99 said that he noticed it in his grow (though he had a dung to straw ratio of 70/30 I believe)
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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: blahblahblah]
    #1222228 - 01/15/03 09:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

straw makes a good casing, i have not tried it as a substraste .
but the pan subbs i have found on rotting hay where just as good as the ones growing in manuere :grin:
not sure if this helps . i think its kind of a subjective thing . 


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: deanofmean]
    #1222995 - 01/16/03 07:55 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

This is encouraging. I have a container with straw that I spawned last night. Maybe it was the strain of mushroom and not the substrate. The mushrooms that I had were pink buffallo, they were not as potent as the other strains I had taken even when they were on birdseed. These were also the mushrooms that Club99 grew on his straw.
Thanks, any comments are still welcome


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: blahblahblah]
    #1223094 - 01/16/03 08:40 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to know this as well..  I can't see any reason why they would be.  Straw is full of nutrients and an excellent substrate.  It either has to have somthing to do with heat or genetics I would think. 

I have never grown on straw, but I plan on ordering some soon for some Pan Cyans.  Can't wait..  :smile:


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: blahblahblah]
    #1223680 - 01/16/03 01:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Are you talking about straw, or hay?

I would bet that manure would have a lot more nutrients per pound then straw.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1223687 - 01/16/03 01:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I havent experienced any lack of potency from straw grown mushies..so i think it might be a "feature" of that particular strain... :wink:

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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
    #1223707 - 01/16/03 01:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I am pretty sure it is straw. I think the hay was a green color it seemed like. Hay is alfalfa isn't it. Pretty sure this is wheat straw and the stuff it was grown on before was wheat straw.

I bet that the straw vs manure thing is probably true but I wouldn't expect that it would be too different. A lb of straw vs a lb of manure there is alot more straw than you would think in a lb. Not only that but alot of dairy and farm animals eat straw and grass, and I don't think the digestive tract of the animal would add nutrients. It may break down the nutrients in the straw so it is easier for the mushrooms to digest though.
I dunno maybe it was just the strain. Oh btw I made a typo with Clubb99 strain, they were GT's which I have also heard weren't that potent either anyway.
Thanks, mas comments?


Edited by blahblahblah (01/16/03 01:17 PM)


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: blahblahblah]
    #1224674 - 01/16/03 08:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)



This PR mycelium seems to like the straw (wheat). Day 9 after spawning with 3, 1/2 pint jars of wild bird seed.
(one gallon container)


Edited by Anonymous (01/16/03 08:22 PM)


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: ]
    #1228008 - 01/18/03 04:17 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Straw is a great substrate for a lot of cubes but it doesn't have the same nutrient value than if you mix it with dung or you grow off of birdseed or other grains. I've noticed lots of variations with the straw and potency. Personally, I like Birdseed substrate for potency, but for weight, definitely the straw. It's always better mixed with poo though. It's all about the poo


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: kayaman9]
    #1229849 - 01/18/03 08:53 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I still don't see why they'd be any less potent. I wish Anno would get in on this, he has grown a ton of shrooms off Straw. His Pans grow better on straw than dung.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1230269 - 01/19/03 04:21 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah but pans are different, they prefer a more straw to dung ratio to fruit off of. I'm not saying it's a HUGE difference in potency but you could sure tell the difference between cubes grown off of straw and cubes grown off of birdseed. Cubes off of straw will be bigger but less potent than the birdseed ones. There is just not enough nutrients in it to make more alkaloid content I think, but there are always varations in everything. just my 2 cents, peace


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: kayaman9]
    #1232035 - 01/19/03 08:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I would say there is nutrient there but they may not be availble to the shrooms in a form so that they can break it down in the same way as, lets say dung or birdseed.
Just a thought, don?t know if its true though.

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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: blahblahblah]
    #1232720 - 01/20/03 04:42 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

hello fellow shroomers,

I use only wheat straw (pelletized, I get it at petshop)
and the results are... always different.
One of my srongest trips ever was from shrooms grown on straw.
I'm talking about cubensis,
trying trops and cyans soon.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Waldarbeiter]
    #1233851 - 01/20/03 12:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I've personally never been able to get consistent variations in potency based on substrate. Meaning that I've seen lots of variation in potency over the years, but never one substrate or another consistently being the strong or weak one. Straw is not as nutritious pound for pound as grains, and it may lack certain precursers that are found in other substrates. My simple solution to this problem is to simply use high spawn rates, in effect using the colonized grain as a nutrient supplement for the straw. Colonized faster, gave more flushes, and I felt better by thinking that potency potential had been maximized.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: mycofile]
    #1235000 - 01/20/03 08:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

See I always thought Straw had more nutrients than grains. The flushes on Straw are always larger and more abundant on straw than grains it seems.


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: blahblahblah]
    #1235097 - 01/20/03 09:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

hi..bro

I'll let you know in a little while.
I'm trying straight straw right now just to see the outcome.

Allen strain on straw....day 3.




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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Roadkill]
    #1236680 - 01/21/03 01:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Hey, havent heard from you in a while. My tubs are comming along too, slowly but they are comming along. I think the moisture content may be a bit too high. Good to hear from you though roadkill, pm me when you get a chance


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: blahblahblah]
    #1236906 - 01/21/03 02:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Are you going to case your tubs BBB?


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1237921 - 01/21/03 07:54 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I think so, I am going to try a different approach to it this time if I do though as I believe that I have been casing wrong in the past


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Re: potency of mushrooms grown on straw [Re: blahblahblah]
    #1237991 - 01/21/03 08:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

In my experience with straw..they do alot better cased.
Basic 50/50 will do great.
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