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Offlinef8L
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The Legality of Shroomery Sponsors
    #2098514 - 11/12/03 08:47 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

First let me state that I am in no means a lawyer :] I would like to hear everyone's thoughts regarding the legality of websites that sell pscyhoactive spores.

One of my interests is internet law, and I have been studying cases regarding fake identification websites for the past several years, so I believe I can share some insight.

Although microscopy research may be a loophole allowing the sale of psychoactive spores, one of the main factors will always be intent. As a "Shroomery Sponsor", these websites such as MicronMagick.com are publically advertising (through their affiliation with the Shroomery)their intention to actively seek Shroomery customers.

The best argument for these companies would be to demonstrate that the Shroomery is not a place where psychoactive use is encouraged, but a scientific meeting point for many mycologists. Unfortunately, this argument is plagued with flaws. By looking at posts from the various webmasters of these companies, one can see they actively promote the use of psychoactives . I believe this is a vast err of judgement on their part.

It is my conclusion that the Shroomery Sponsors are in vary dangerous waters by actively seeking customers and promoting via the Shroomery. I would like to hear comments from others, specifically some of the Shroomery Sponsors, to hear their opinion on this important topic.


Edited by f8L (11/12/03 08:48 PM)


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Re: The Legality of Shroomery Sponsors [Re: f8L]
    #2098841 - 11/12/03 10:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The spores themselves aren't psychoactive.


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Re: The Legality of Shroomery Sponsors [Re: daussaulit]
    #2099148 - 11/12/03 11:28 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

daussaulit said:
The spores themselves aren't psychoactive.




I don't see how that is a valid defense when you consider what happened to Fanaticus for selling "non-active" spores. If the intent to cultivate is present, such as in the case of Shroomery Sponsors, then that defense probably won't hold.


Edited by f8L (11/12/03 11:30 PM)


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Re: The Legality of Shroomery Sponsors [Re: f8L]
    #2099405 - 11/13/03 12:32 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Well the vendors have a revised and more adamant terms of agreement that your suppose to read before you enter the sight.


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Re: The Legality of Shroomery Sponsors [Re: f8L]
    #2099647 - 11/13/03 01:46 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Some things are better left unsaid.





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Re: The Legality of Shroomery Sponsors [Re: f8L]
    #2103614 - 11/13/03 11:21 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

If I am not mistaken, PF was charged with possession/cultivation of psilocybes not any sort of conspiracy charge.


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Re: The Legality of Shroomery Sponsors [Re: Xochitl]
    #2103885 - 11/14/03 12:16 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

>>>>"Although microscopy research may be a loophole allowing the sale of psychoactive spores, one of the main factors will always be intent."

You just answered your own question in this sentence.
Two very important words- "legal disclaimer"

A popular vendor's disclaimer states:

These spore specimens are for COLLECTION, RESEARCH, or MICROSCOPY PURPOSES ONLY. I understand that any other use, mis-use, or intent, may be ILLEGAL & DANGEROUS.

Once the product is in your hands, the vendors hands are tied as to how you will use the purchased product.


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Re: The Legality of Shroomery Sponsors [Re: MrBump]
    #2105307 - 11/14/03 09:46 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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If I am not mistaken, PF was charged with possession/cultivation of psilocybes not any sort of conspiracy charge.




both of Amanda Park, Grays Harbor County, Washington, entered guilty pleas in Tacoma to charges related to their February 20, 2003, indictment for growing hallucinogenic mushrooms and selling mushroom spores over the internet

So it seems they pled guilty to some sort of distribution charge.

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You just answered your own question in this sentence.
Two very important words- "legal disclaimer"




In actually, these 'legal disclaimers' are really a paper thin defense. If you look at a lot of the fake identification websites that have been taken offline within the past several years, the majority of these sites had legal disclaimers indicating the ID's were for "novelty purposes only." Put it this way, if the act you are committing is illegal, a legal disclaimer 'ain't going to do shit.'


Edited by f8L (11/14/03 09:48 AM)


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Re: The Legality of Shroomery Sponsors [Re: f8L]
    #2116340 - 11/17/03 02:10 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Any other thoughts?


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Re: The Legality of Shroomery Sponsors [Re: f8L]
    #2116380 - 11/17/03 02:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

the dea will bend you over a barrel if they want to, no evidence is enough to convict you, and with borderline activites theyll have your ass even easier.

drug dealers are terrorists now adays,


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Re: The Legality of Shroomery Sponsors [Re: f8L]
    #2116568 - 11/17/03 02:57 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

If the DEA can send Tommy Chong to jail for selling pipes then everyone and anyone can be sent to jail for anything.


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