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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: tombosley8]
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tombosley8 said:
Fo Real I have basically converted my entire method toward this because there's nothing comparable as far as speed. Although I've only seen one flush from this method the upcoming has caught up and passed up all my earlier projects(via agar wedge and g2g) and will be seeing their results soon:tongue2:. I have colonised some cakes via LC in a week thanks to your recommendation of the slightly dryer cakes. So hopefuly i can get a good clean method with agar to LC because i never thought a cake coulkd ever colonise so fast. This is amazing!!! So i'm going to be going straight from slurry to bulk as well to see how it goes. I cannot wait but i must prepare for this explosion of growth...................  :shockingsurprise:



i will tell you that i did spawn to a bulk substrate using 1/2 pint cake. the substrate was dung. you may want to supplement to get better yield. but id like to see how little spawn you could get away with to get equivelant yield to lets say a tub spawned with 5 quarts spawn. yes, the tub i had was 16 quarts substrate and only yielded a few ounces. it could have been better, and id like to know how much higher one would need to go to get there. im hoping you keep us updated! you can raid the thread and post a log i don't care one bit. i may give it a go again soon when i get my new setup working properly. i think the last test i did was at the worst timing i could have as far as having airflow in a room ect. so i think that really put a hammer in the results. ill try this again soon. its fun just to mess with it.


its really amazing seeing how liquid inoculants explode after day 2. they simply go from 30-90% in  a matter of a few hours!


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Edited by eatyualive (09/07/14 05:10 PM)

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
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would adding additional cakes work as a supplementation? Like 4 cakes to one 66 qt tub? HMMMM now that i think about it those 4 cakes could make 5 tubs worth of grain in a few days so maybe better used there instead.


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Edited by tombosley8 (09/07/14 05:13 PM)

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: tombosley8]
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tombosley8 said:
would adding additional cakes work as a supplementation? Like 4 cakes to one 66 qt tub? HMMMM now that i think about it those 4 cakes could make 5 tubs worth of grain in a few days so maybe better used there instead.



a little. i was going to try to use more cakes less water so its more of a sludge. i mixed it and made it more diluted the first time. also look up mudafukas LI thread he has some bran and other ingredients he uses for supplements. it may be worth figuring out how to work that into your substrate. i don't like putting uncolonized grain in a pasteurized substrate though. dung/straw/supercake.

there may be a vendor that has some type of spawn supplement you can add. id probably do a trial when i have time. doing like your saying. start off with one pf cake. then 2 then 3 then 4. ect.

then you can figure out what works best.

i know most of the problem i had at the time was airflow and i also dropped the tub and broke the substrate in half. it still fruited two ok flushes. i mean for what i expected.
theres a way to get a full canopy flush no casing doing this. there has to be, and if there isn't lets you and i figure it out and make it happen!!:jawdrop:


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Edited by eatyualive (09/07/14 05:21 PM)

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
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:bump:

Night!

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: Sockadin]
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Im about to slurry 30 jars tonight with one pf cake. ill post results in 3 days.


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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: MudaFuka]
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i forgot to pc one extra jar with blade assembly. so ill do 40 quarts with 1 pf jar tomorrow.

prepped 10 more quart instead!


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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
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OK im going to slurry 1 pf jar to 40 quarts and one grain bag!!!! sending slurry vibes my own way!:heart:


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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
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how long do you think it will take every thing to colonise?


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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: MudaFuka]
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3-4 days. last round took 4 days because i did a very weak slurry. this time im doing it right. its been a few years since ive done it. but with the slurry it always colonizes in 3 days. Also,  TV suggests that the night before you decide to spawn to bulk substrates, shake the jars and let them recover before you spawn to ensure clean spawn. although i never do that. i just wait a day or two to let it consolidate. the slurry jars consolidate in one day compared to lets say my g2g and p2g jars that took an extra 4-5 days to get there. and even then, the slurried jars were much more dense. i couldn't even break up the grain in those jars without a spoon.

in my last round, i made a very liquid slurry. it wasn't sludgy at all. and i really wasted the cake. i only used about 1/10th of it and tossed the rest. this time im using 1 pf cake and using two pints half full with distilled water. im going to blend them up and pour into all the jars. ill probably have about half of the slurry leftover. but i don't have 100 quart jars. its taken me 4 days to get the 40 quarts pressure cooked and ready to go doing one pc session a night.

im going to do burma strain that i took prints off of a 7 year old clone.



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Edited by eatyualive (09/11/14 08:02 PM)

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
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This is crazy stuff eat, I remember having seen the slurry -> substrate tub earlier! :crazy2:

Do you think it could have done better if you could add more nutes to the sub directly as you're only using 1 pf cake?

Using grain dunk water to expand the coir for example? I just made myself unsure whether that would need sterilization or just pasteurization..hmm.

Oh and one more thing, do you think the skinny tall fruits in the tub is because of the only 1 pf cake thing?
Your holes' dry rings look good but still they seem starving for air..

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: spacechildo]
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spacechildo said:
This is crazy stuff eat, I remember having seen the slurry -> substrate tub earlier! :crazy2:

Do you think it could have done better if you could add more nutes to the sub directly as you're only using 1 pf cake?

Using grain dunk water to expand the coir for example? I just made myself unsure whether that would need sterilization or just pasteurization..hmm.

Oh and one more thing, do you think the skinny tall fruits in the tub is because of the only 1 pf cake thing?
Your holes' dry rings look good but still they seem starving for air..



yes we were talking about that a few posts above.  i was having horrible fae in that tub as well. the tas do get long and tall like that but the FAE was horrible. didn't have any fans running at the time. the tub was in a closet with very little airflow.


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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
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that so weird and you're right! I must've mixed up some threads when I read through this!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20533954#20533954 sub supplement.

When you have a fully colonized pf cake and pasteurized substrate
wouldnt that mean there's no need to keep the slurry-making sterile in schmuv/SAB?
as its all contam resistant and spawned in open air anyway.

You might not remember but I asked about open air p2g because of the fast colonization speed,
but open air slurry -> grain seems to be going more than 2x as fast!

In these 3 days the ambient mold spores will have no chance of germinating in the mix before all the food is eaten by myc anyway?

Imma stop asking and start doing, maybe not in the :puke: dirty kitchen
as intended, I'd rather get it cleaned before my PF cake is done :crazy:
I just wanted to really make sure ambient mold/mold spore count didnt matter when we're done in 3 days!

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: spacechildo]
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spacechildo said:
that so weird and you're right! I must've mixed up some threads when I read through this!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20533954#20533954 sub supplement.

When you have a fully colonized pf cake and pasteurized substrate
wouldnt that mean there's no need to keep the slurry-making sterile in schmuv/SAB?
as its all contam resistant and spawned in open air anyway.

You might not remember but I asked about open air p2g because of the fast colonization speed,
but open air slurry -> grain seems to be going more than 2x as fast!

In these 3 days the ambient mold spores will have no chance of germinating in the mix before all the food is eaten by myc anyway?

Imma stop asking and start doing, maybe not in the :puke: dirty kitchen
as intended, I'd rather get it cleaned before my PF cake is done :crazy:
I just wanted to really make sure ambient mold/mold spore count didnt matter when we're done in 3 days!




ive always pasteurized substrates. when i pour in the slurry i do it open air like i spawn open air. hasn't caused any problems yet.

i did something similar to open air. but i just taped a plastic clear lawn bag up and did my work inside it. so it was semi open air. it worked fine. i remember you asked and ive read people have success doing things open air. but you won't know until you try. i tend to do things in my shmuv when in doubt. ive tried several things like using my steel storage top shelf as a SAB so to say. here i followed the same principles and did things open air. it didn't cause me issues either. maybe it was beginners luck.

if you worried. try to use a clear lawn bag and tape it up enough so that you can do work inside it. just cut holes for your hands so that you can insert the jars/utensils inside.

here is a picture of when i tried it this way.

   

you want to try and follow very clean technique. ac off, clean everything thoroughly. no airflow.


i can't really tell you the technicalities of this method, i just know it works really well and fast.

if people want to try later on and debate for 6 pages about why it works. so be it, im happy with the results and thats enough for me.

if your in doubt just remember try a small sample and be willing to lose it. if it works out. yay, if not you were already willing to lose it. but, ive done this method many many times and i have not had quart grain jars contaminate using it. i haven't had bacteria or any types of molds show or take over in my quarts.


Edited by eatyualive (09/11/14 08:52 PM)

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
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Oh yes, I should have mentioned the reason I wanna do it open air is because I cant get a blender that fits my sauce jars.
Buying online is too expensive, shipping, import taxes +++ makes it 100-200$ for a blender..
I live FAR north.. almost with Santa :tongue2:

So I thought I can use something else to smash up the cakes, a mortar or one of those electric beater/hand blender things.
But it wont be sterile or sanitary as I cant PC any of the parts..

If the tub is spawned in open air anyway the slurry -> tub is something I can try first.
The rest I'll just have to try and see how I can make the best of it,
and if the possible fail% is too big for the rewards of 3-4 days colonization!

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: spacechildo]
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hmmm. thats a dilemma then. i like pressure cooking all tools i use. all jars, all blades ect. but i bet you can come up with something. ideally you want something metal. im not sure that it will blend the pf jar up if its not a sharp blade. i think the most important part is sterilizing your tools and keeping things clean.
i probably wouldn't try it without being able to sterilize everything as far as working tools and liquid utensils like jars/blades/ knives ect.



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Edited by eatyualive (09/11/14 08:58 PM)

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
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I cant find the proper words in English for what I got so I'll just show you something similar in pics:

 

I thought if I just threw a colonized pf cake in one of those with some water
the cake wouldnt mind it being done in open air as I'm spawning in open air anyway.

the slurry -> grains is probably just dumb to do like this, but if I can get 3 days colonization time..well.

NOW I'll stop asking and start doing.. lets just see if I can find some wide mouth jars or containers somewhere in that ship wreck of a kitchen I've got :wink:

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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: spacechildo]
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Maybe you could fill that thing with boiling water like the way we do when making spore syringes.


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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: spacechildo]
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spacechildo said:
I cant find the proper words in English for what I got so I'll just show you something similar in pics:

 

I thought if I just threw a colonized pf cake in one of those with some water
the cake wouldnt mind it being done in open air as I'm spawning in open air anyway.

the slurry -> grains is probably just dumb to do like this, but if I can get 3 days colonization time..well.

NOW I'll stop asking and start doing.. lets just see if I can find some wide mouth jars or containers somewhere in that ship wreck of a kitchen I've got :wink:




the blender will work. my issue with those units is that the part under the blade gets gunk lodged up in it and stuck. i always had trouble even pulverizing veggies at the bottom like that. i used to have that exact blender type.

the hand mixer won't break up the pf cake.
if you think its worth a try do it.

but like muda said. try boiled water to clean it, bleach ect.

ive only done it with sterilized utensils. id be wary of using those two items. but, hell you may prove me wrong!


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Re: Slurry Spawn or Liquid Inoculant [Re: eatyualive]
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I was thinking a coffee grinder as i have put liquids in my cheapo one with no problems. But you could only do maybe half a cake at a time or less i would think because there's not enough room and could fry the motor.


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Edited by tombosley8 (09/11/14 09:45 PM)

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