tombosley8 said:

Fo Real I have basically converted my entire method toward this because there's nothing comparable as far as speed. Although I've only seen one flush from this method the upcoming has caught up and passed up all my earlier projects(via agar wedge and g2g) and will be seeing their results soon. I have colonised some cakes via LC in a week thanks to your recommendation of the slightly dryer cakes. So hopefuly i can get a good clean method with agar to LC because i never thought a cake coulkd ever colonise so fast. This is amazing!!! So i'm going to be going straight from slurry to bulk as well to see how it goes. I cannot wait but i must prepare for this explosion of growth................... 

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tombosley8 said:

would adding additional cakes work as a supplementation? Like 4 cakes to one 66 qt tub? HMMMM now that i think about it those 4 cakes could make 5 tubs worth of grain in a few days so maybe better used there instead.

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a little. i was going to try to use more cakes less water so its more of a sludge. i mixed it and made it more diluted the first time. also look up mudafukas LI thread he has some bran and other ingredients he uses for supplements. it may be worth figuring out how to work that into your substrate. i don't like putting uncolonized grain in a pasteurized substrate though. dung/straw/supercake.

there may be a vendor that has some type of spawn supplement you can add. id probably do a trial when i have time. doing like your saying. start off with one pf cake. then 2 then 3 then 4. ect.

then you can figure out what works best.

i know most of the problem i had at the time was airflow and i also dropped the tub and broke the substrate in half. it still fruited two ok flushes. i mean for what i expected.
theres a way to get a full canopy flush no casing doing this. there has to be, and if there isn't lets you and i figure it out and make it happen!!

spacechildo said:

This is crazy stuff eat, I remember having seen the slurry -> substrate tub earlier!

Do you think it could have done better if you could add more nutes to the sub directly as you're only using 1 pf cake?

Using grain dunk water to expand the coir for example? I just made myself unsure whether that would need sterilization or just pasteurization..hmm.

Oh and one more thing, do you think the skinny tall fruits in the tub is because of the only 1 pf cake thing?
Your holes' dry rings look good but still they seem starving for air..

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spacechildo said:

that so weird and you're right! I must've mixed up some threads when I read through this!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20533954#20533954 sub supplement.

When you have a fully colonized pf cake and pasteurized substrate
wouldnt that mean there's no need to keep the slurry-making sterile in schmuv/SAB?
as its all contam resistant and spawned in open air anyway.

You might not remember but I asked about open air p2g because of the fast colonization speed,
but open air slurry -> grain seems to be going more than 2x as fast!

In these 3 days the ambient mold spores will have no chance of germinating in the mix before all the food is eaten by myc anyway?

Imma stop asking and start doing, maybe not in the dirty kitchen
as intended, I'd rather get it cleaned before my PF cake is done
I just wanted to really make sure ambient mold/mold spore count didnt matter when we're done in 3 days!

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ive always pasteurized substrates. when i pour in the slurry i do it open air like i spawn open air. hasn't caused any problems yet.

i did something similar to open air. but i just taped a plastic clear lawn bag up and did my work inside it. so it was semi open air. it worked fine. i remember you asked and ive read people have success doing things open air. but you won't know until you try. i tend to do things in my shmuv when in doubt. ive tried several things like using my steel storage top shelf as a SAB so to say. here i followed the same principles and did things open air. it didn't cause me issues either. maybe it was beginners luck.

if you worried. try to use a clear lawn bag and tape it up enough so that you can do work inside it. just cut holes for your hands so that you can insert the jars/utensils inside.

here is a picture of when i tried it this way.

   

you want to try and follow very clean technique. ac off, clean everything thoroughly. no airflow.


i can't really tell you the technicalities of this method, i just know it works really well and fast.

if people want to try later on and debate for 6 pages about why it works. so be it, im happy with the results and thats enough for me.

if your in doubt just remember try a small sample and be willing to lose it. if it works out. yay, if not you were already willing to lose it. but, ive done this method many many times and i have not had quart grain jars contaminate using it. i haven't had bacteria or any types of molds show or take over in my quarts.

spacechildo said:

I cant find the proper words in English for what I got so I'll just show you something similar in pics:

 

I thought if I just threw a colonized pf cake in one of those with some water
the cake wouldnt mind it being done in open air as I'm spawning in open air anyway.

the slurry -> grains is probably just dumb to do like this, but if I can get 3 days colonization time..well.

NOW I'll stop asking and start doing.. lets just see if I can find some wide mouth jars or containers somewhere in that ship wreck of a kitchen I've got

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