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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante]
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Fair enough :thatsayes:

But might someone be prejudice against an ethnic group's culture because they're racist to that group? 

I don't even know what we're debating anymore, to be honest.

Given that American's are neither a race or an ethnic group, hating them isn't racist, it's prejudice.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: UnholyChild666]
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UnholyChild666 said:
You like blacks?




From early childhood on (I'm talking kindergarten age here) up until present day I have had particularly favorable personal experiences with the majority of black people in my life and this has left me with a subconscious tendency to a favorable impression.

I also have a bit of East African in my bloodline, which helps.

So, yes I do, and for perfectly legitimate reasons.

A racial preference is acceptable, because it opens doors to those people, but a racial dislike is not, because it closes doors to the people involved.

I'm not going to think any less of someone because of their race.

I would like to remind you that I live in Holland, black people here tend to be recent immigrants from South America, the Caribbean and Africa.


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
technically, just because everyone was once an immigrant in America, doesn't mean that everyone is. people who were born there are (despite the crossing of terms here) are NATIVE Americans. as in Ethnically native to the land, and hence, are ethnic Americans, are they not?



but even those Native American belong to different ethnic groups

& as far as science can tell, we all began in Africa. so we're all Africans. :jah:

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: D.M.T]
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that's rather un-fair to say Americans are not ethnically cultured. there is history, traditions, beliefs; i'd say that about makes it a ethnicity.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: akira_akuma]
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We lack common traditions though, unless you count obesity. :shrug:

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said:
akira_akuma said:
technically, just because everyone was once an immigrant in America, doesn't mean that everyone is. people who were born there are (despite the crossing of terms here) are NATIVE Americans. as in Ethnically native to the land, and hence, are ethnic Americans, are they not?



but even those Native American belong to different ethnic groups

& as far as science can tell, we all began in Africa. so we're all Africans. :jah:



of course, they do, but that doesn't take anything away from my point. my point is, people who were BORN in America, would have to be considered natives to the land... and those native to the land, who've been living here for centuries now, they have developed their own culture, dialects, ideals. why can a native New Yorker, be as precisely as ethnic as a native Virginian?

D.M.T said:
We lack common traditions though, unless you count obesity. :shrug:



i don't see how, i could be wrong, can you explain? i see American traditions. :shrug:

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante]
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technically, just because everyone was once an immigrant in America, doesn't mean that everyone is. people who were born there are (despite the crossing of terms here) are NATIVE Americans. as in Ethnically native to the land, and hence, are ethnic Americans, are they not?



When someone here in Yerp thinks of "Americans" they almost always think of white people from the USA, as opposed to any ethnicity from any of the countries of the Americas.

If you think "American" Do you think of a black woman from Guatemala?

Theres a subconscious racial and national association with "Americans" and that racial association, THAT is subconscious racism because why should any of the other ethnicities be any less American? It goes a bit far to shout RACIST if someone associates "American" with white people, but if you ask 100 people to describe an American at least 70 will describe someone white so it IS a trend.

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But might someone be prejudice against an ethnic group's culture because they're racist to that group? 



Of course they can :smirk:


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante]
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i think it's a good excuse to put America into some brand new yet undefined category of "peoples", and excuse themselves from the "ethnic rat race" every is so up in arms about.

a good way to deny and justify the lack of association of standards between people.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said:
We lack common traditions though, unless you count obesity. :shrug:




Africa currently has more obese people than seriously malnourished ones, so it isn't just an American thing, its a crap food thing. Wherever people start eating "western style processed foods" obesity, diabetes and heart disease spike just as high as in the US.


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
D.M.T said:
We lack common traditions though, unless you count obesity. :shrug:




Africa currently has more obese people than seriously malnourished ones, so it isn't just an American thing, its a crap food thing. Wherever people start eating "western style processed foods" obesity, diabetes and heart disease spike just as high as in the US.



(That was a tongue-in-cheek comment, I am aware Mexico and the UK might have surpassed us in obesity rate)

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: D.M.T]
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I suppose Americans share an 'ethno-national group', as they're being called. I have always known ethnicity to mean what is referred to as an 'ethno-racial group', but it appears I'm  wrong:

of or relating to a population subgroup (within a larger or dominant national or cultural group) with a common national or cultural tradition.
"leaders of ethnic communities"
synonyms: racial, race-related, ethnological; More
cultural, national, tribal, ancestral, traditional
"a wide spectrum of ethnic groups"

    of or relating to national and cultural origins.
    "two playwrights of different ethnic origins"
    denoting origin by birth or descent rather than by present nationality.
    "ethnic Albanians in Kosovo"
    characteristic of or belonging to a non-Western cultural tradition.
    "ethnic dishes"
    archaic
    neither Christian nor Jewish; pagan or heathen.

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
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I assumed he meant an ethnic culture. Like saying I don't like Bedouins.



Bedouins are an ethnicity, not a culture. There are middle eastern and black people in Bedouin culture, so if you don't like Bedouin culture you are not being racist (multiple races practice it) but if you say you don't like Bedouins you are referring to an ethnicity and to quote that black kid gif, "That's Racist!"




culture and ethnicity are two of the things that designate what a 'race is


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_classification%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group


now we know, everything is racist except the work 'and', even though that could also be racist


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Interestingly is if someone says "I don't like Americans!" Assuming "Americans" is an ethnicity would truly be racist as it would exclude all other ethnicities that take part in it. But "Americans" is also not exactly a culture because its a million cultures rolled into one. Its not racist to "not like Americans" but its of course a prewtty dumb blanket generalisation to toss over 300 million people.




but american would be an ethnicity and a race

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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: D.M.T]
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I seized the opportunity to spew a little known Africa fact. People think its all war and famine there but it really isn't the 1980s anymore. The whole continent, thats about 900 million people, has 4% annual economic growth in times where the west struggles to break even.


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Re: Another disturbing "black" statistic [Re: Asante]
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I'll buy Americans being an ethnicity but as a race, please explain that to me. The only "American Race" I can see happening is the Native American race, and they aren't the entire population of America.


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