wowimflabbergasted said:

Who is talking about money? All we're trying to say is don't teach noobs they don't have to wash their hands...that's ridiculous. Sure, it may work for you, okay, but it's not something you want to pass onto others in a tek. BE AS CLEAN & STERILE AS POSSIBLE. Why teach cutting corners and half assing shit?

I'm not directly attacking you jman, and I believe this all works for you, but it's not good practice

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MastaBlastar said:

blackdust said:

MastaBlastar said:

DAYMN.  Someone riding a high horse with one good flush.  You are propagating not only bad growing skills, bud just bad life skills.  people SHOULD WASH THEIR HANDS REGULARLY.  Regardless.  I wash my hands like 8-9 times a day just because i don't want to transfer crap from everything I touch to everything else I touch.  I get free betadine surgical wash so I use that.  Germicidal and virucidal.

You can do shit in a bathroom,   I think it has been clear this is not a good tek to follow.  You got one mediocre flush and are BAMMIN it like you are emmril. Its ok, I remember when i had my first beer. 

ALSO, I have 2 of those 23 qt prestos, AND THEY SUCK FUCKING COCK.  Never EVER recommend a presto to ANYONE except as a "well if you can't afford a good pc, this will work".  They are the cheapest, shittiest pc of the lowest quality construction and add on the fact that with regular use you will go thru rings and seals every 6 mos or so, and they are barely fit to do grandmas canning once a year. 

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I personally loved my  23q presto when I had one.

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They are pieces of shit.  If you look at them, they are poorly made and are full of all sorts of anomalies, hence why they use gaskets.  They cannot machine them well enough to have a metal on metal seal.  They warp, the handles suck, I have gone thru 2 gauges on one, no idea why.  I do absolutely nothing different and 2 have just broken.  They are made in the USA, but they are CHINA quality.  The gaskets wear out and eventually no matter what they atart to leak because the whole pot warps.  Is that enough reason?  Sure they work, but I would never be like "hey get one of these, they are awesome."

And JMAn I am sure its not your first good flush, but I have seen no images of any "good" flushes in any of the pics you have posted, the one you have shown being the first ok one of the lot.  A GOOD flush is a FULL canopy BEFORE they start to spore out (i harvest before the veil tears) with MINMAL OR NO ABORTS. If you can accomplish those 3 conditions, then snap a pic and post it as a good flush.  Also, you lack of good flushes COULD be the result of bac which COULD be a result of not washing your fucking hands.  I mean you transfer whatever is on your hands to the gloves you are putting on, I don't care how neatly you do it.  Washing your hands removes the vast majority of those contaminants.  its all about a numbers game and you are not giving good advice.  You should encourage hand washing at all steps, not a blase approach of "eeeeagh, hand washing is not needed, its all kosher.  I get sweaty as fuck and then come in and nock up some jars."  Unless this is the bike you ride.

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Ugh, another noob who thinks they know everything based on a couple of posts...

Ok for the clueless noob just tuning in. I will break this down for you like the others.

1 The pressure cookers are awesome, I've been using the same 2 pressure cookers for 2 years now without a problem.. Maybe yours is user error?

2.Duh you haven't seen any "good" images if you are comparing me to like Frank. Thats because I don't have any current pictures. That is also because I am work with 5 brand new cultures that aren't even close to being full isolated, so you probably won't see any "canopies" for another month or so.

3.You are an idiot if you think I dont wash my hands after a long ride. I don't take a shower all the time because it is not needed. You are just wasting water.

4. Don't act like you know my life based on what has been said.

5. I haven't had a contaminated tub in months so I don't know where the fuck you got that information..



My bike is worth more than your car kid. Now piss off please if you don't have anything intelligent to contribute.

spacechildo said:

new noob tek: u shouldnt pc for 90 mins I PC for 50min AND HAVE MUSHROOM EVERYTHING IS PERFECT I even have 5 flush you should do it!

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wowimflabbergasted said:

What's the difference between saying, "You don't have to wash your hands" vs "You don't always have to wash your hands"? Pick and choose? Come on bud, how do you waste money washing your hands?

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Well if you live in an Earthship...and you are limited on the amount of water you have...You kind of like to conserve water everywhere you can... I am currently saving up my money to buy one and I am putting myself into the habbits that I plan on using once I move into it.

This is my only answer for you.

Jman420 said:

spacechildo said:

new noob tek: u shouldnt pc for 90 mins I PC for 50min AND HAVE MUSHROOM EVERYTHING IS PERFECT I even have 5 flush you should do it!

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Again more opinions based on arbitrary results.

What works for you may not work for others.. To tell people to be less sterile than more sterile is a horrible idea...Why would you mention something like this?

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Jman420 said:

spacechildo said:

new noob tek: u shouldnt pc for 90 mins I PC for 50min AND HAVE MUSHROOM EVERYTHING IS PERFECT I even have 5 flush you should do it!

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To tell people to be less sterile than more sterile is a horrible idea...Why would you mention something like this?

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MastaBlastar said:

Yes.  They are crappy PC's.  AA are waaaaaaaaay better.  I would rather pay 240 for a 23 qt AA than 79 for a 23 qt presto.  Never have to buy another AA that's for sure.  They should have put indiana jones in a hug AA PC instead of a fridge, at least then it would be believable.

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wowimflabbergasted said:

Jman420 said:

spacechildo said:

new noob tek: u shouldnt pc for 90 mins I PC for 50min AND HAVE MUSHROOM EVERYTHING IS PERFECT I even have 5 flush you should do it!

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To tell people to be less sterile than more sterile is a horrible idea...Why would you mention something like this?

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Jman420 said:

MastaBlastar said:

blackdust said:

MastaBlastar said:

DAYMN.  Someone riding a high horse with one good flush.  You are propagating not only bad growing skills, bud just bad life skills.  people SHOULD WASH THEIR HANDS REGULARLY.  Regardless.  I wash my hands like 8-9 times a day just because i don't want to transfer crap from everything I touch to everything else I touch.  I get free betadine surgical wash so I use that.  Germicidal and virucidal.

You can do shit in a bathroom,   I think it has been clear this is not a good tek to follow.  You got one mediocre flush and are BAMMIN it like you are emmril. Its ok, I remember when i had my first beer. 

ALSO, I have 2 of those 23 qt prestos, AND THEY SUCK FUCKING COCK.  Never EVER recommend a presto to ANYONE except as a "well if you can't afford a good pc, this will work".  They are the cheapest, shittiest pc of the lowest quality construction and add on the fact that with regular use you will go thru rings and seals every 6 mos or so, and they are barely fit to do grandmas canning once a year. 

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I personally loved my  23q presto when I had one.

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They are pieces of shit.  If you look at them, they are poorly made and are full of all sorts of anomalies, hence why they use gaskets.  They cannot machine them well enough to have a metal on metal seal.  They warp, the handles suck, I have gone thru 2 gauges on one, no idea why.  I do absolutely nothing different and 2 have just broken.  They are made in the USA, but they are CHINA quality.  The gaskets wear out and eventually no matter what they atart to leak because the whole pot warps.  Is that enough reason?  Sure they work, but I would never be like "hey get one of these, they are awesome."

And JMAn I am sure its not your first good flush, but I have seen no images of any "good" flushes in any of the pics you have posted, the one you have shown being the first ok one of the lot.  A GOOD flush is a FULL canopy BEFORE they start to spore out (i harvest before the veil tears) with MINMAL OR NO ABORTS. If you can accomplish those 3 conditions, then snap a pic and post it as a good flush.  Also, you lack of good flushes COULD be the result of bac which COULD be a result of not washing your fucking hands.  I mean you transfer whatever is on your hands to the gloves you are putting on, I don't care how neatly you do it.  Washing your hands removes the vast majority of those contaminants.  its all about a numbers game and you are not giving good advice.  You should encourage hand washing at all steps, not a blase approach of "eeeeagh, hand washing is not needed, its all kosher.  I get sweaty as fuck and then come in and nock up some jars."  Unless this is the bike you ride.

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Ugh, another noob who thinks they know everything based on a couple of posts...

Ok for the clueless noob just tuning in. I will break this down for you like the others.

1 The pressure cookers are awesome, I've been using the same 2 pressure cookers for 2 years now without a problem.. Maybe yours is user error?

2.Duh you haven't seen any "good" images if you are comparing me to like Frank. Thats because I don't have any current pictures. That is also because I am work with 5 brand new cultures that aren't even close to being full isolated, so you probably won't see any "canopies" for another month or so.

3.You are an idiot if you think I dont wash my hands after a long ride. I don't take a shower all the time because it is not needed. You are just wasting water.

4. Don't act like you know my life based on what has been said.

5. I haven't had a contaminated tub in months so I don't know where the fuck you got that information..



My bike is worth more than your car kid. Now piss off please if you don't have anything intelligent to contribute.

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That bike sucks.  Here is mine.    Shit my tires cost more than your bike.  But all dick measuring aside, your OP
(or second post) pretty much said you do not need to worry about cleaning yourself off after coming inside riding a bike for 3 hours.  This is moronic and you should not spread garbage like this.  Getmadbro and call me a noob, good for you.  At least I learned in kindergarten to wash mu hands like a big boy.  I just think you should change the shitstains in you "tek" bhefore noobs actually come see it and there are 100s of posts of people asking why they are failing.  Name it after you, do not put it out for noobs to use.

Jman420 said:

MastaBlastar said:

Yes.  They are crappy PC's.  AA are waaaaaaaaay better.  I would rather pay 240 for a 23 qt AA than 79 for a 23 qt presto.  Never have to buy another AA that's for sure.  They should have put indiana jones in a hug AA PC instead of a fridge, at least then it would be believable.

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Kid, you can pay that much for 3 of my pcs and if you know how to use them properly you wouldnt have the issues you are having. 

I'VE BEEN USING THESE PC's FOR 2 YEARS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. Total $160
Not everyone has money like you or even wants to spend that much... $480 for 2 AA pcs.. ridiculous.. I could get 6 of mine for that same costs..

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MastaBlastar said:

Jman420 said:

MastaBlastar said:

Yes.  They are crappy PC's.  AA are waaaaaaaaay better.  I would rather pay 240 for a 23 qt AA than 79 for a 23 qt presto.  Never have to buy another AA that's for sure.  They should have put indiana jones in a hug AA PC instead of a fridge, at least then it would be believable.

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Kid, you can pay that much for 3 of my pcs and if you know how to use them properly you wouldnt have the issues you are having. 

I'VE BEEN USING THESE PC's FOR 2 YEARS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. Total $160
Not everyone has money like you or even wants to spend that much... $480 for 2 AA pcs.. ridiculous.. I could get 6 of mine for that same costs..

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Have you ever noticed how this younger generation tries to call people "kid" as some form of slight?  i don't get it.  I am not a kid by any means, and am just kinda confused when you type this thinking you are talking about someone else.  i bet you are from california.

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Jman420 said:

MastaBlastar said:

Yes.  They are crappy PC's.  AA are waaaaaaaaay better.  I would rather pay 240 for a 23 qt AA than 79 for a 23 qt presto.  Never have to buy another AA that's for sure.  They should have put indiana jones in a hug AA PC instead of a fridge, at least then it would be believable.

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Kid, you can pay that much for 3 of my pcs and if you know how to use them properly you wouldnt have the issues you are having. 

I'VE BEEN USING THESE PC's FOR 2 YEARS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. Total $160
Not everyone has money like you or even wants to spend that much... $480 for 2 AA pcs.. ridiculous.. I could get 6 of mine for that same costs..

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MastaBlastar said:

Jman420 said:

MastaBlastar said:

Yes.  They are crappy PC's.  AA are waaaaaaaaay better.  I would rather pay 240 for a 23 qt AA than 79 for a 23 qt presto.  Never have to buy another AA that's for sure.  They should have put indiana jones in a hug AA PC instead of a fridge, at least then it would be believable.

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Kid, you can pay that much for 3 of my pcs and if you know how to use them properly you wouldnt have the issues you are having. 

I'VE BEEN USING THESE PC's FOR 2 YEARS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. Total $160
Not everyone has money like you or even wants to spend that much... $480 for 2 AA pcs.. ridiculous.. I could get 6 of mine for that same costs..

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I live by the life philosophy of "you get what you pay for".  it serves me well. I used to work in a machine shop as a machinist and I know crap when i see it.  Presto, is crap.  That is all there is to it.  I bet the companies ammo is junk too.

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Jman420 said:

Rofl okay... Sorry I like to be active not a fatass.. I could buy one of those if I wanted to, But I don't care for something like that. My life doesn't concern you and if anything your ATV at best is twice the cost of my MTB. Gj bro, such a badass.
You know my life so well.

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No, I don't, but you are the one who called me a "kid" and said "my bike is worth more than your car" which it is, as I own a truck.  You obviously have never 4 wheeled like a man.  Throwing around a 700 lb quad is no easy feat on extreme trails.  I also ran cross country and wrestled from the 6th grade to senior year in HS, and exercise regularly since it has been many a year since HS.  I can run a 6 mi mile.  So since you are the one who is passing all the judgement, maybe stop and alter you OP to reflect some of the advice people tried to give you rather than get mad and attack everyone who disagrees.  No skin off my back, I know what I am doing so i don't need a "noob tek".

Jman420 said:

MastaBlastar said:

Jman420 said:

MastaBlastar said:

Yes.  They are crappy PC's.  AA are waaaaaaaaay better.  I would rather pay 240 for a 23 qt AA than 79 for a 23 qt presto.  Never have to buy another AA that's for sure.  They should have put indiana jones in a hug AA PC instead of a fridge, at least then it would be believable.

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Kid, you can pay that much for 3 of my pcs and if you know how to use them properly you wouldnt have the issues you are having. 

I'VE BEEN USING THESE PC's FOR 2 YEARS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. Total $160
Not everyone has money like you or even wants to spend that much... $480 for 2 AA pcs.. ridiculous.. I could get 6 of mine for that same costs..

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I live by the life philosophy of "you get what you pay for".  it serves me well. I used to work in a machine shop as a machinist and I know crap when i see it.  Presto, is crap.  That is all there is to it.  I bet the companies ammo is junk too.

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Your forgot to say, "My opinion is that Presto is crap." Because it sure as hell isn't a fact.

When the noobs come flooding in asking why they are failing I will asking them if it is user error..

I live by the philosophy of, if it works no need to fix it.

American mentality is awesome, because I have money I am going to blow it! Yea! When I could be investing  in something like gold or silver or buying something important like food..Because you know, fiat currency will only be around for at best the next 5 years.

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