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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: Boutang] * 2
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Anyone who plays counter strike knows you can easily take out at least three fully armed opponents with a knife in rapid succession.


They had to kill him.

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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: Endure]
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Endure said:
muistrue said:
Pulling knives on cops is suicide.


he was walking away, did you not see what i see?

i saw him get 'shot in the back'

those cops are blood thirsty, clearly making irrational decisions,


is it illegal to hold a knife?
i saw no attempted murder by the bum.


I saw what you saw, not saying it's right just that if you pull a knife out in the presence of cops you will get shot.


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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: FractalDust]
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I see no knife.

Most cops aren't the best of people, because if they want to be a cop that already says a lot about their personality.

If you become a cop you support the idea, whether you're one of the "good guys" or not.
And the idea is people can't handle their own problems, and need to be protected.

Relax the gun laws.  Let everyone have a gun, not just the bad guys and cops.
People can protect themselves from threats. 
Relax the drug laws.  Less violent crime (and drug "crime").
Laws cause crime. It's obvious to someone using their brain.

This murder is far from justified.  What do they make tasers for if they aren't using them?

On a side note, I can't believe this footage was actually released.


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Did you know the pen
Is stronger than the knife?
And they can kill you once
But they can't kill you twice
Did you know destruction of the flesh
Is not the ending to Life?
Fear not of the Anti-Christ

- Damian Marley -

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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: ElVatoFirme]
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I'm kinda 50/50.

Dude did have knives in his hands but they were over zealous as hell.


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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: Gorlax]
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It was justified but not morally right I guess. The dude was clearly crazy a bean bag to the face would have shut him up..

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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: Gorlax]
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They actually released the footage in hopes of redeeming the officers :lol:


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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
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Police training manuals state that a knife is a threat to life within 21 feet of the person wielding it.  The K9 counts as an officer in every capacity legally speaking, and it appears those officers may be within the striking range (according to police protocol) of a knife attack by the homeless man as well.  Because the K9 was within striking range of the man and the man was, according to the account, attempting to use knives, then that makes the shooting appear legally justified.

Morally justified is a different thing.  I'm not sure how I feel about it.  My opinion's been biased by reading this entire thread.

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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: abltsandwich]
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Yeah one thing you don't do is pull out two knives when a group of cops have assault rifles pointed at you.

- The only thing here that is dumb is after shooting him multiple times the attempts to handcuff him and get him to drop the knife. He's dying, don't think he can do much of anything now.

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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: abltsandwich]
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abltsandwich said:
Police training manuals state that a knife is a threat to life within 21 feet of the person wielding it.  The K9 counts as an officer in every capacity legally speaking, and it appears those officers may be within the striking range (according to police protocol) of a knife attack by the homeless man as well.  Because the K9 was within striking range of the man and the man was, according to the account, attempting to use knives, then that makes the shooting appear legally justified.

Morally justified is a different thing.  I'm not sure how I feel about it.  My opinion's been biased by reading this entire thread.


That's exactly what I was thinking about...the dog being considered an officer.

However the guy wasn't being overly aggressive at least what i can tell from the small clip but at the same time, I've never heard of a guy hiking with two butcher knives, one in each hand.

It's kind of fucked up any way you look at it.

If I had a dog that was latched onto a guy that had a knife in each hand then I'd prob shoot the fucker too, honestly. Of course, the whole matter wouldn't have happened if either A) the man just complied or B) the officers wouldn't have been such dicks about a bum camping.


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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: GreySatyr]
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After watching it again is say hell no.

He's getting ready to walk away but they throw a flash bang ANYWAYS then in the heat of the moment he draws the knives, the poor dude probably can't even see shit then they taze him, shoot him and then move closer and bean bag him.

Do they not realize that after the flash bang went off he couldn't see or hear any orders that were given and the shock to his system from the tazer AND bullets probably rendered him unable to comply even if he came back to his senses.

I don't think it was right at all because they threw flash bang although the shooting became justified at the point the knife draw especially with the K9 so close.

But overall they should have just escorted him off but then again maybe he had already threatened them, lots of what ifs.


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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
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DatIslandLife said:
Quote:
Sourcefed.com:
Do you believe the shooting was justified?



Do you believe the nazis were justified in murdering over 12-20 million Jews, or the Khmer Rouge was justified in the slaughter of 3/4 of a million Cambodians? If you answered "no" to either of these, then you have your answer as to whether the shooting of a man with no guns was justified.


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"I've always maintained that reality is for those who can't face drugs."-Tom Waits
"I feel the same way about disco as I feel about herpes."-Hunter S. Thompson
A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?

Edited by Camwritesgonzo (03/25/14 07:26 PM)

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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: GreySatyr]
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GreySatyr said:
But overall they should have just escorted him off but then again maybe he had already threatened them, lots of what ifs.


Realistically, though, the police had no reason to feel threatened.
They're geared up like they're in the military.
Would 2, 2-inch knives really do anything if he had actually acted on any possible threats?  He's out-numbered and out-armed.


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Did you know the pen
Is stronger than the knife?
And they can kill you once
But they can't kill you twice
Did you know destruction of the flesh
Is not the ending to Life?
Fear not of the Anti-Christ

- Damian Marley -

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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: ElVatoFirme]
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well not all but alot are.


i just got threatened by a cop to get my car impounded and i did not do shit to him.

sure you are aware of the innocent marines house in the past year they raided confusing him for a drug dealer and shooting him with 50+ rounds


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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: Endure]
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wow.. why did they have to use live ammo..?

i'm sure some riot pellets or something would of be efficient.. its not as if he took a step in any cops direction with those knives... :lol: they were just waiting for him to pull something

i bet these cops were all jacked up on meth and steroids too, just hunting people cause fuck you i got a badge.
" report of a homeless man in the desert, better bring the k-9 and three other people with ar's, cause you just never know right?".. :rofl:


:lol: they live for this shit.

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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
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Why in the fuck would they cap his ass with live rounds when they had bean bag shots?!!
Fuck these,and most,pigs.
Heavy handed tactics seem to be the done thing with US jacks.

RIP M.Boyd,RIP.


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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: ElVatoFirme]
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ElVatoFirme said:
I see no knife.



then you choose not to see and it must be based on your views that all cops are shitty from the outset

the knife is as clear as day and unlike the misleading story, they knife
is easily twice the length claimed, and even with a cop's foot on his arm,
being shot with beanbags and bit by the dog, he's still got a fucking knife
in his hand




Quote:
This murder is far from justified.


I'm not a cop, I wouldnt have given him a second chance to drop the knife,
I say drop it and if it doesnt immediately get dropped, I'd have dropped
him with 2 in his chest, it's self defense in my case, wouldnt you agree


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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: Prisoner#1]
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theirs a worse one than this floatin around on youtube.. ill see if i can dig it up for yall..


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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: tripp23]
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I fucking lol'd

Dude pulls a knife and says IMA FUCKING KILL YOU and you guys are surprised and shocked in awe he is killed?

Just another day in police work, carry on. Obviously he won't even be missed, they can't even find his family because they don't want to come forward.

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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: Uzziel]
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Uzziel said:
I fucking lol'd

Dude pulls a knife and says IMA FUCKING KILL YOU and you guys are surprised and shocked in awe he is killed?

Just another day in police work, carry on. Obviously he won't even be missed, they can't even find his family because they don't want to come forward.


Yeah, I know I always laugh when someone gets shot up by the pigs. :stonedjerk:


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"I've always maintained that reality is for those who can't face drugs."-Tom Waits
"I feel the same way about disco as I feel about herpes."-Hunter S. Thompson
A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?

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Re: Were Police Justified in Killing this Man? [Graphic Video] [Re: tripp23]
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Got it!
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WARNING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!![/gradient]

I can't embed it so I'll give you a link to the video..  It's facebook, don't worry.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=648537901861985&set=vb.460927973956313&type=2&theater

I'm not gettin into the whole debate, just figured I'd share because that's what the original poster wanted it documented for the crimes of the terrorism in Syria.  So obviously not mine what so ever.  Too brutal for me..  Shits fucked up.. Sad world :sad:


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