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15!!!!!! Children Killed by US Gov. in horrible travesty
    #2167254 - 12/07/03 06:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Yes thats right folks...6 more innocent lives lost today for Bush's oil war.  FUCK  I can't believe how fucked up this is...I'm so fucking pissed :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Six Afghan Children Killed in U.S. Strike 
Wed Dec 10, 2:24 PM 
By STEPHEN GRAHAM, Associated Press Writer

KABUL, Afghanistan - For the second time in a week, the U.S. military admitted Wednesday that Afghan children were killed in attacks against Taliban and al-Qaida suspects, crushed under a wall at a compound stacked with a fugitive militant's weapons.

Both assaults were in the Pashtun-dominated southeast and risked further alienating the country's largest ethnic group, from which the Taliban emerged and still draws its main support.

A U.S. military spokesman said six children died when a wall fell on them Friday night at a complex in eastern Paktia province. U.S. warplanes and special forces had attacked the compound, setting off secondary explosions, Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty said.

"The next day we discovered the bodies of two adults and six children," Hilferty told a news conference. "We had no indication there were noncombatants" in the compound.

Afghans were outraged by the latest killings, which they said damaged the Americans' image in a nation desperate for security.

"The people are growing very hostile now, because America should know how to avoid these things," said Tareq, a 30-year-old government worker in Kabul, who like many Afghans uses only one name. "They are bombing children every day. It is not (Taliban leader) Mullah Omar or (Osama) bin Laden who is killing them."

The Afghan government again implored the U.S. military to brush up its intelligence and bolster efforts to improve security to allow for badly needed reconstruction.

"The pursuit of terrorists has to continue, but we need to look at how to avoid such tragedies in the future," Foreign Ministry spokesman Omar Samad said. "We have to be extra cautious not to harm civilians."

The United Nations was more blunt: "As well as contributing to a sense of fear and insecurity, these incidents make it easier for those who wish to spoil this process to rally support," said spokesman Manoel de Almeida e Silva.

The compound allegedly belonged to Mullah Jalani, a suspected associate of renegade warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. A former prime minister, Hekmatyar is now allied with the resurgent Taliban. He issued a video statement Wednesday renewing his call for Afghans to rise up against America and its Afghan allies.

Jalani was not among the nine people arrested at the site, 12 miles east of Gardez, Hilferty said. He did not identify the adults who were killed or say whether they were combatants or civilians.

Hilferty said troops exchanged fire with rebels at the scene but said he had no information about U.S. casualties. He expressed regret over the deaths of civilians in Afghanistan but said it was impossible to eliminate such incidents.

"We try very hard not to kill anyone. We would prefer to capture the terrorists rather than kill them," Hilferty said. "But in this incident, if noncombatants surround themselves with thousands of weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and howitzers and mortars in a compound known to be used by a terrorist, we are not completely responsible for the consequences."

The U.S. military, which on Dec. 2 launched what it described as its biggest operation against militants since the fall of the Taliban two years ago, says it found hidden storage compartments containing hundreds of 107mm rockets, mortars, rocket-propelled grenades, anti-tank and anti-personnel mines and several howitzers at the compound.

It was unclear if the wall that crushed the children was knocked down by troops searching for weapons or the secondary explosions. Hilferty said it was still too dangerous to search some buildings.

The news comes on the heels of a tragic U.S. military blunder in neighboring Ghazni province on Saturday. Nine children were found dead in a field after an attack by an A-10 ground attack aircraft that was targeting a Taliban suspect.

U.S. officials have apologized for that incident.

They originally claimed that the attack killed a former Taliban district commander named Mullah Wazir suspected of recent attacks on road workers. But U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said Tuesday that they were no longer certain.

Efforts by the 11,700-strong U.S.-led coalition have been marred by a string of mishaps.

The worst happened in July 2002, when Afghan officials said 48 civilians at a wedding party were killed and 117 wounded in an airstrike in Uruzgan province.

On April 9, a U.S. warplane mistakenly bombed a home in the eastern town of Shkin, killing 11 civilians. Another airstrike in Nuristan province in eastern Afghanistan on Oct. 31 reportedly killed at least eight civilians in a house.

Some Afghans said they hope America will suffer the same fate as the Soviet Union, whose 1980s occupation ended in defeat in the face of a tireless war by Afghan mujahadeen fighters.

"The Soviet Union has broken into pieces, and one day the same will happen to America," said Gul Khan, a 40-year-old Pashtun from Paktia who recently retired from the army. "Afghans are poor but they have God. You cannot escape his judgment."
And only a few days ago:

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Afghan Village Angry After Gunship Attack
By AIJAZ RAHI, Associated Press Writer

HUTALA, Afghanistan - Hats and shoes littered a blood-stained field in this desolate Afghan village Sunday, a day after U.S. warplanes ? targeting a terror suspect ? mistakenly killed nine children.

American officials offered their regrets Sunday and said they were "deeply saddened" by the deaths. The United Nations (news - web sites) called for an investigation. And the Afghan government urged the U.S.-led coalition hunting Taliban and al-Qaida fighters to make sure such an accident is never repeated.

In Hutala on Sunday, a line of fresh graves marked the tragedy, and village men stood quietly by a stream in a dusty field where the children had been playing. They seemed as bewildered as they were angry.

"First they fire their rockets. Then they say it was a mistake," Haji Amir Mohammed told The Associated Press, as dozens of American soldiers sent to investigate the incident offered condolences or lay in the warming winter sun. "How can we forgive them?"

Villagers said the young victims had been playing with marbles in a dusty field beside mud homes in this impoverished valley, some 150 miles southwest of Kabul, when the A-10 ground attack aircraft homed in.

Military officials said Sunday they had no idea children were in the area when they decided to attack. U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said the suspect targeted and killed was a former Taliban commander named Mullah Wazir, adding that he was "deeply saddened" by the "tragic loss of innocent life."

Khalilzad said the former commander "had bragged of his personal involvement in attacks on innocent Afghan citizens," including aid groups and Afghans working on the Kabul-Kandahar road, a site of frequent violence.

Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the coalition, told the AP in Hutala that it had appeared to the pilot of the aircraft that "just that person that we wanted, that terrorist, was in the field. So we fired on him."

Troops discovered the children's bodies after rushing to the scene to verify that they had got Wazir. U.S. officers flew in Sunday to apologize to village elders, Hilferty said.

But residents were adamant that the military had acted on bogus intelligence. Many said the man killed was not Wazir, and that the former district commander under the Taliban had left the village some days before the attack.

"There are no terrorists, no Taliban or al-Qaida here," said Abdul Majid Farooqi. "Just poor people."

The 11,500 U.S.-led troops hunting Taliban and al-Qaida remnants in south and east Afghanistan (news - web sites) often are supported by air power, and there have been a string of military mishaps.

The worst occurred in July 2002, when Afghan officials said 48 civilians at a wedding party were killed and 117 wounded by a U.S. Air Force AC-130 gunship in Uruzgan province, which borders Ghazni province.

On April 9, a U.S. warplane mistakenly bombed a home in the eastern town of Shkin, killing 11 civilians. Another air strike in Nuristan province in eastern Afghanistan on Oct. 31 reportedly killed at least eight civilians in a house.

"This incident, which follows similar incidents, adds to a sense of insecurity and fear in the country," Lakhdar Brahimi, the U.N. Special Representative to Afghanistan, said in Kabul.

The Afghan government said it fully supported fighting terrorism but urged the U.S.-led coalition to "be very careful not to repeat such tragedies."

Also Sunday, officials said two Turkish engineers and an Afghan had been kidnapped along the road being build between the capital, Kabul and the city of Kandahar, bringing to five the number of workers abducted in Afghanistan in the last three days.

Taliban attacks have plagued the flagship road construction project. Four workers were killed in August, and de-mining operations along the road were suspended last month after a carjacking. A Turkish engineer was abducted along the road Oct. 30 and released after one month.

The Taliban, whose hard-line Islamic regime was ousted from power in a U.S.-led offensive in late 2001, have stepped up attacks in recent months, targeting foreign aid workers and perceived allies of the coalition.

International aid agencies have reduced operations in Afghanistan's south and east due to escalating violence, including the Nov. 16 drive-by shooting death of a French U.N. aid worker.


This is sick...absolutely revolting.  Down with Bush!  :mad:

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Re: 9 Children Killed by US Gov. in horrible travesty [Re: Spiffy]
    #2167307 - 12/07/03 06:55 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

It's too bad. Sadly CNN had the nerve to say "Afghans understand deaths"


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Re: 9 Children Killed by US Gov. in horrible travesty [Re: barfightlard]
    #2167313 - 12/07/03 07:00 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

thats such bullshit...but than again, so is CNN. How could anyone "understand"? This is senseless and disgusting. Children are precious and magical and their lives should be protected at any cost. I find it nauseating that the US can get away with this sort of thing. I know an artist who is making 9 pieces of art to commemorate these children. Shes even more shook up than me and thats saying a lot. I wonder just how many children have died over there that we don't hear about. Please, everybody, say a prayer for all the children in this world. Say a prayer to end their suffering.

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Re: 9 Children Killed by US Gov. in horrible travesty [Re: Spiffy]
    #2167373 - 12/07/03 07:25 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Do you think the person who ordered this attack with bad information will be held accountable for it by karma/going to hell? This person did kill 9 innocent children.

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Re: 9 Children Killed by US Gov. in horrible travesty [Re: Druginduced]
    #2167560 - 12/07/03 09:36 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Check this.

German TV airs documentary charging American war crimes in Afghanistan
US State Department denounces broadcast

By Stefan Steinberg

The US State Department has reacted angrily to the showing of a documentary on German television alleging that US soldiers were involved in war crimes in Afghanistan. The film, Massacre in Afghanistan?Did the Americans Look On?, was produced by Irish filmmaker Jamie Doran. It was shown December 18 on one of the main German public channels?ARD. The 45-minute documentary had previously been shown by the British Channel 5 and the Italian station RAI.

Prior to the German broadcast, a spokesman for the US State Department, Larry Schwartz, declared: ?It is a mystery to us why a respected television channel is showing a documentary in which the facts are completely wrong and which unfairly depicts the US mission in Afghanistan.?

In fact, the allegations in Doran?s film have been public for over half a year and the US government has refused to make any statement or advance any argument to refute its detailed evidence of complicity by US soldiers in war crimes. The film makes the point that the Pentagon has refused numerous requests by Doran for an interview or comment on the events that it depicts.

A preliminary version of the film was shown to selected audiences in Europe in June of this year, as part of an effort by Doran to prevent evidence of the massacre from being destroyed and build support for an independent war crimes inquiry. Now Doran has incorporated his original footage into a full-length documentary that presents compelling evidence of US involvement in the massacre of thousands of alleged Al Qaeda prisoners, in contravention of all international laws and standards governing the treatment of POWs.

The film documents events following the fall of Konduz, the Taliban?s last stronghold in northern Afghanistan, in November of 2001. It includes interviews with eyewitnesses to the torture and slaughter of some 3,000 POWs out of a total of 8,000 Taliban supporters who surrendered to US forces and allied Afghan forces led by General Abdul Rashid Dostun.

In the wake of the battle for Konduz, American military forces participated in the armed assault and killing of several hundred Taliban prisoners in the fortress of Qala-i-Janghi. The American John Walker Lindh was one of 86 Taliban fighters who survived the massacre by hiding in tunnels beneath the fort .

The film sets out to demonstrate that following the events at Qala-i-Janghi, in collaboration with its Afghan ally General Rashid Dostum, the American army command was complicit in the killing of a further 3,000 prisoners who were separated out from the total of 8,000 POWs and transported to a prison compound in the town of Shibarghan.

Prisoners were shipped to Shibarghan in closed containers lacking any ventilation. Local Afghan truck drivers were commandeered to transport between 200 and 300 prisoners in each container. One of the drivers participating in the convoy relates that an average of between 150 and 160 died in each container in the course of the trip.

An Afghan soldier who accompanied the convoy said he was ordered by an American commander to fire shots into the containers to provide air, although he knew that he would certainly hit some of those inside. An Afghan taxi driver reports seeing a number of containers with blood streaming from their floors. According to one of the drivers, survivors of the transport ordeal were dumped in the desert near Mazar-i-Sharif. As 30 to 40 American soldiers looked on, those prisoners still alive were shot and left in the desert to be eaten by dogs.

In an interview with the World Socialist Web Site last June, Doran expressed fears for the safety of those who appeared in the film and those who helped produce it. In fact, two of the eyewitnesses to the events in Mazar-i-Sharif have since met violent deaths.

To underline the urgency of an independent investigation, the film broadcast December 18 included an interview with Najibullah Quairishi, the main Afghan researcher and filmmaker involved in producing the documentary.

Quairishi is shown on his sick bed with heavy bandaging on his head. He is nursing a fractured left arm. He was ambushed as he attempted to purchase additional film material showing the presence of American troops as the transportation and massacre of the 3,000 prisoners took place. Quairishi was in the process of making his own copy of the film when he was kidnapped and beaten up by thugs who were desperate to ensure that the incriminating footage did not get into the hands of foreign journalists.

Massacre in Afghanistan postulates that the 90-minute video offered to Quairishi was stolen on the orders of General Dostum, who is holding the footage in order to protect himself from possible prosecution. Should any attempt be made to implicate Dostum, the video would clearly indicate the close collaboration of American military forces in the killings.

For his own safety, Quairishi has since been forced to leave the country together with his family.

Doran emphasised in press interviews he gave December 16 in Berlin that it was urgent for international agencies to undertake measures to protect those appearing as witnesses in his film.

The reaction of the American government to Doran?s film has been a mixture of prevarication and bullying. The American media has exercised almost total self-censorship regarding Doran?s film and the criminal activities of US soldiers in Afghanistan.

Initially the Pentagon issued a statement June 13 denying the allegations of US complicity in the torture and murder of POWs. The US State Department followed with a formal denial on June 14.

Massacre in Afghanistan features footage of a press conference given by Philip Reeker on behalf of the US State Department. Reeker says that the department is looking into claims of human rights violations in Afghanistan, but regards such a problem as entirely a matter for the Afghani authorities with no implications for the activities of US soldiers.

Citing repeated refusals by the Pentagon and State Department to give interviews to the filmmakers or address their accusations, Doran concludes in his film: ?One has the impression that the American government is seeking to prevent an investigation of the events by any means possible.?

In the summer of this year a human rights organisation was able to exhume three of the bodies buried in the desert at Mazar-i-Sharif. It concluded that all three died of suffocation and that there was sufficient evidence to justify a full-scale inquiry. The United Nations eventually agreed to undertake security measures to protect the site of the killings. An official UN-led inquiry into the events is now scheduled for the spring of 2003.

As the film points out, however, major obstacles stand in the way of such an investigation. The area around Mazar-i-Sharif is controlled by the troops of General Dostum, who is the closest ally of America in the region. In an interview, Dostum concedes that he is ?regrettably? not in a position to be able to guarantee the security of the witnesses.

Doran is determined to ensure the fullest distribution for his film. An additional 11 countries have bought the documentary and Doran is determined to push for a showing in America.

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Re: 9 Children Killed by US Gov. in horrible travesty [Re: enotake2]
    #2167564 - 12/07/03 09:39 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I'm throwing up.

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Re: 9 Children Killed by US Gov. in horrible travesty [Re: Spiffy]
    #2167731 - 12/07/03 11:16 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I know this has nothing to do anything (but yes, I'm growing more and more sick of the US and its gov't every day), but shouldn't it be "tragedy" instead of "travesty"? Not to play grammar rodeo here but the title just doesn't sit right with me..

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