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Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia?
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What does science say? I've heard both arguments saying that it does and that it doesn't

I just want nothing but the truth.

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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: lokariototal]
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It can bring underlying mental illnesses to the surface, that I know for sure. Check this out:
http://www.shroomery.org/9120/Is-it-true-that-psychedelics-can-trigger-mental-illness


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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: The_Aviator]
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it can bring underlying mental disorders out pretty easily. psychosis from hardcore abuse in healthy people isn't too uncommon, and muchhhhh more rarely someone suffers psychosis from moderate use. but it's not something to worry about as long as you've got a healthy family history and you keep a check on your usage.

i should mention that most cases of psychosis are temporary, many of them only lasting a week or so

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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
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They can help with mental disorders and they can also make mental disorders worse.


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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: lokariototal]
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Treatment of Childhood Schizophrenia Utilizing LSD and Psilocybin


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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: lokariototal]
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Sheekle said:
They can help with mental disorders and they can also make mental disorders worse.


Pretty much this. It depends on the disorder.

Research in the 60s showed that psychedelics increase the symptoms of schitzophrenics (for the duration of the psychedelic), so if you have someone who is schitzo but doesn't know and does psychedelics, suddenly they show schitzophrenic symptoms, but that's not really the drug's fault. They had schitzophrenia before.

However, that research was done a long time ago. There are lots of schitzophrenics on here who take psychedelics and don't claim that it makes their symptoms worse. It probably doesn't affect much if you ask me. Everyone just rushes to blame the drugs whenever anyone starts showing symptoms of mental illness even though it could have been inevitable.

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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: s240779]
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superhigh said:
Treatment of Childhood Schizophrenia Utilizing LSD and Psilocybin


Interesting, I've never seen that article before. :thumbup:

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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: nooneman]
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imo, without a good understanding of the experience, there is a strong chance that it can, especially if abused, misused, or misunderstood. in the end it's about the person taking part in the experience and where he/she is at mentally, physically, and spiritually.


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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: zZZz]
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I don't know for a fact but from what friends have told me it helps some disorders but can make others worse.


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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: lokariototal]
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well, it depends on you. if for instance your mentally ill, the psychedelic experience presents a catalyst for your healing and you blatantly ignore it then it can easily make it worse. depression for instance.

as for sckitzophrenia, i have a friend who is certainly diagnosed as one and i understand him completely. he does in fact love LSD. he can do massive amounts too with ease and i gave him a hit 7 days ago and he couldnt even tell me straight up if he was tripping or not.

i believe this is because of LSD lessens the distance between the subconscious and conscious mind. in simpler terms dreams and reality are no different from eaachother. which is true, but LSD presents itself to people in this way. schitzoprenics are already sort of there. haha


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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: aura8]
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I know somebody who's schizo and he says LSD is like home to him.

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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: theRAPeutic]
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I've heard it's only for people with a predisposition to it?


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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
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Yes, but how would you know if one was predisposed? One could develop schizophrenia or any other mental illness with no family history.

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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said:
Sheekle said:
They can help with mental disorders and they can also make mental disorders worse.


Pretty much this. It depends on the disorder.

Research in the 60s showed that psychedelics increase the symptoms of schitzophrenics (for the duration of the psychedelic), so if you have someone who is schitzo but doesn't know and does psychedelics, suddenly they show schitzophrenic symptoms, but that's not really the drug's fault. They had schitzophrenia before.

However, that research was done a long time ago. There are lots of schitzophrenics on here who take psychedelics and don't claim that it makes their symptoms worse. It probably doesn't affect much if you ask me. Everyone just rushes to blame the drugs whenever anyone starts showing symptoms of mental illness even though it could have been inevitable.


I don't trust those old studies from the 60's and I don't think anyone should.

You could feed any human being any given psychedelic substance and at a certain dose we all start to exhibit schitzo like symptoms, we all got our own personal breaking point when it comes to these substances and how far we can push our consciousness before it snaps and mental illnesses start to occur.

The brain learns from it's experiences, keep feeding it psychedelic/powerful drugs on a frequent basis what do you think it's going to learn to do.

I strongly feel any "damage" that occurs is from compulsive/irresponsible/reckless and the biggest culprit frequent doses. How much "damage" and what is "damaged" and if it can be "repaired" is anyone's guess. I know I have crossed a few to many lines and my observations have shown that my consciousness tends to slow down and become dull as it gets "burnt out."

If and when I push myself passed burnout mode and keep getting high and fucking around with substances when I "shouldn't" be, without giving myself a break, I start hearing voices and all sorts of crazy shit.

My own brain and consciousness and have shown an immense ability to heal itself, and in the end I think all my experimentation and possible damage was worth it to experience consciousness in so many different ways.

So I would say yeah psychedelics do increase the "risk" of temporary to semi-permanent mental disease if misused,

Edited by Deemstar (02/19/14 11:19 PM)

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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: Deemstar]
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TL;DR - Be fucking careful with psychs.

It's definitely a force not to be abused. For example, when I tried acid for the first time, it took a long time to kick in (probably wasn't even acid). Being the 17 year old idiot I was, I decided to keep taking more until we 'felt it'. 5 hits later each, we fucking felt it. He freaked me out 1 hour in confessing he was god. At the time I thought god (the individualistic figure from the bible) was talking to me through another human being, after breaking through on dmt years later I FINALLY understand what he meant, we're all god. Anyways, started bad tripping, really bad, and it lasted for about 12 hours.

The next 6-12 months of my life were extremely awkward. I was mentally fragile and while I didn't show any signs externally (nobody thought I was crazy or anything) I sure felt it on the inside. I was really shook by that experience, and personally think I could have been much worse off by today if I hadn't had experience with the mindfuck of the psychedelic experience. I was able to coach myself through that whole period and hold it together, because my only other option was to go off the deep end and lose it.

It actually wasn't until a couple years later when I went all the way and broke through on DMT that I fully released from that experience and state of mind. Sounds kind of dumb, that more drugs healed me, but that's not the point. The breakthrough experience just gave me such a comprehensive understanding of reality, or as I like to think of it - experiencing enlightenment, I was at peace with everything in the world and beyond, and still am today. :smile:

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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said:
However, that research was done a long time ago. There are lots of schitzophrenics on here who take psychedelics and don't claim that it makes their symptoms worse. It probably doesn't affect much if you ask me.


Yeah but you know how crazy people don't know they're crazy? Well I would imagine it's basically impossible for a person with schizophrenia to be able to tell if it got worse or better. I'm sure they feel like they always did but maybe an outsider would have a different opinion, you know? Unless of course they just snap which does occasionally happen.


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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: Aopocetx]
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Stressful life events are likely to bring out mental illness, because one of the body's responses to stress involves significant increases of dopamine production/availability in the brain, and dopamine is what is out of balance in schizophrenia. I would suppose that the higher the stress the higher the dopamine and the more likely a permanent imbalance is going to occur.

All these stories of psychedelics bringing out latent mental illness, the same thing would have happened if you went into a war zone or your family and you lived in one, or someone in a non-war zone held a gun to your head, tortured you, or if you were persecuted by gangs and forced into crime or something.

The psychedelic experience can bring very intense stress as reality disappears and you potentially maladjust to the 'climate' of the mushroom experience for instance. If you think you're about to die or something and it sticks around for a while, that's going to flush dopamine through your brain and if you're latent or predisposed to dopamine balance issues ie. schizophrenia, well, you get it.

When I smoked cannabis and had a psychotic episode, it was mostly the stress of the experience that made it permanent, although cannabis also significantly increases dopamine.

If you take low doses of mushrooms as I have a few times while diagnosed, you will just get the basic effects and there will be no exacerbation of your schizophrenia. If you take a huge dose and freak out, you will exacerbate it, if you take a huge dose and handle it really well, no exacerbation.

Some people with latent mental illness will just get it regardless of stress or psychedelics or environment... etc. It's like any other latent illness. Usually between 18-25.

So it's STRESS that makes this happen. There nothing to suggest a BIOCHEMICAL reason, yet.


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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: circastes]
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circastes said:
All these stories of psychedelics bringing out latent mental illness, the same thing would have happened if you went into a war zone or your family and you lived in one, or someone in a non-war zone held a gun to your head, tortured you, or if you were persecuted by gangs and forced into crime or something.


Well, you shouldn't go into a warzone either if you're predisposed to schizophrenia. How does that make the danger of psychedelics doing that invalid? Also, with psychedelics it's not only the stress but also the pharmacological properties concerning serotonin.


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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: Aopocetx]
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when things go well we can play without any worries,
but sometimes things are not well, and even if you want to play you can't get out from under some affliction.

we play by bending our bodies and bending our minds
sometimes we forget that it is play and take it seriously, and if there are overriding afflictions, we can get stuck in some pretty bent positions.

with psychedelics or not.


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Re: Does the psychedelic experience increase the risk of mental disorders/schizophrenia? [Re: Aopocetx]
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Aopocetx said:
circastes said:
All these stories of psychedelics bringing out latent mental illness, the same thing would have happened if you went into a war zone or your family and you lived in one, or someone in a non-war zone held a gun to your head, tortured you, or if you were persecuted by gangs and forced into crime or something.


Well, you shouldn't go into a warzone either if you're predisposed to schizophrenia. How does that make the danger of psychedelics doing that invalid? Also, with psychedelics it's not only the stress but also the pharmacological properties concerning serotonin.


Yeah good point.

You're talking about 5HT2A receptors right? There has been a lot of research trying to link it with schizophrenia - http://www.szgene.org/geneoverview.asp?geneid=293 - with mixed but mostly negative results.


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