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Is the organic food industry sustainable?
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So i just watched the documentary "food inc"
I saw quite a lot of nasty images about factory farming. Luckily i am vegatarian. So the images werent as disturbing to me. However, it did get me thinking. Tje farmer in the doc was talking about organically raising livestock. And while its a great idea, i feel that in reality it wouldnt play out. the amount of land it would take to feed a couple pigs...it would easily be tenfold what it is now

The chickens that we raise are genetically modified to grow twice as large and twice as fast. How would you sustain the "chicken needs" of the world at a 1/4th rate of growth and productivity. I havent even factored in how chickens are raised in enclosed pens. Could we affordably raise chickens out in the open? And also not facotring in the fact that chickens would be raised to be mostly chicken breast in the modern day (due to genetic modifications). All said and done, this would mean 1/10th the productivity. Prolly even less

Then theres the whole vegan movement. I was eating a bagel with cream cheese and checking my email. I had 10 mins till lecture began so i figured i would kill some time. Thats when a member of peta or something starts screaming at me that i am not vegan and harming cows. What if everyone were to start eating organic? What would happen to the economy? What if we only ate hunted animals (elk, moose, deer)? What about only white meats? What about only fish? What about vegatarian? What about vegan?

Could any of these changes on a societal level be realistically feasible? In theory they are great. But at te end of the day i figure that the reason cows are knee deep in their own excerment in most farms is because it is efficient. Environmentally, economically, and logistically

So whats the alternative? Have more people in the population be farmers?

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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: topdog82] * 2
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What's the alternative?

well in a totally ideal world... I can imagine everyone (well, at least communities/neighborhoods) having their own system going. Like say the Smiths raise chickens and have a small garden. The Bob family raises cows and pigs... etc. And as a community, they all come together and share with each other whatever it is they have to supply in return for whatever they can't supply to their neighbors. That would be a nice way to do it. Get people more involved with not only their food, but with each other, on a community level.

Or each household just did their own thing, with a garden and some chickens, and people hunted as well. That would be sustainable. I just can't see it happening on a super large scale where most of society would do this though.

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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: Forest Sprite]
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we all need to be involved in and educated on and questioning of food production it is essential to our overall and individual survival and health and stuff.

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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: topdog82]
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Traditional agriculture uses synthetic fertilizers. Those fertilizers are very carbon intensive to make.
Meat consumption on the American level is unsustainable. It takes waaay too much water and food input and returns less calories.
Organic is better for the environment generally speaking. Organic incorporates no-till, bio-dynamics, and more best management practices 9 times out of 10.
Also this goddamn humongous human population is not sustainable in any way.

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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: i like cow poo] * 1
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i like cow poo said:
Traditional agriculture uses synthetic fertilizers. Those fertilizers are very carbon intensive to make.
Meat consumption on the American level is unsustainable. It takes waaay too much water and food input and returns less calories.
Organic is better for the environment generally speaking. Organic incorporates no-till, bio-dynamics, and more best management practices 9 times out of 10.
Also this goddamn humongous human population is not sustainable in any way.


part of the problem is the feed fed to our meat sources.  grass fed meat is more economical, sustainable and much healthier.
I really need to read up on fertilizers I don't know enough to talk about them but organic waste seems the way to go.
I agree our population and eventual shrinking land mass are serious problems.

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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: unam sanctum] * 1
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I don't see how it wouldn't be sustainable. The only issue I have with organic is that the regulations for it are fucking weak and useless.

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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: i like cow poo]
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i like cow poo said:
Traditional agriculture uses synthetic fertilizers. Those fertilizers are very carbon intensive to make.
Meat consumption on the American level is unsustainable. It takes waaay too much water and food input and returns less calories.



that's absolutely false, more water is wasted when crops are watered, maybe
10% of what's used is actually used by the plants, the rest goes into the
ground water, often times carrying chemicals from fertilizers with it, some
also evaporates. with livestock, the water is consumed directly, the cattle
use what they need, when they need it

cattle are also pastured for most of their lives, they receive very little
grain through the warmer years because grain is a 'hot food' and cattle
dont process it as well as they do forage. grains are a treat and given
that the average cow by 16mos is eating about 50lbs of food per day, it's
economically unfeasible to feed them much grain

the 'factory farms' shown in crockumentaries such as food inc. are feed
lots and farrowing houses, not actual farms


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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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An Irish research team found a way to use radio frequency waves to "energize" water. When it's energized it takes in more nutrients from the atmosphere like excess oxygen and nitrogen. It basically turns it in to fertilizer. The plants grow stronger, taller, and fruit better. I've been pretty curious what that might mean if we ingested it ourselves.

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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: larry.fisherman]
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i like cow poo said:
Traditional agriculture uses synthetic fertilizers. Those fertilizers are very carbon intensive to make.



A big problem with synthetic fertilizer is it turns the soil -which is a living environment with microbes and fungi and stuff that feeds other stuff in a lifecycle- into a dead substance which needs to be refertilized or it will go barren. The yields are bigger, and it's one of the main reasons there's so many people on earth now all of a sudden, but the land becomes dependent on fertilizer.
Traditional agriculture is closer to what you'd call organic agriculture. Synthetic fertilizer has only been around for the last century out of ten thousand years of agriculture, that's not long enough to be called traditional!
XLCaps said:
An Irish research team found a way to use radio frequency waves to "energize" water. When it's energized it takes in more nutrients from the atmosphere like excess oxygen and nitrogen. It basically turns it in to fertilizer. The plants grow stronger, taller, and fruit better. I've been pretty curious what that might mean if we ingested it ourselves.


You could try microwaving a glass of water. That will energize it with radio frequency waves.


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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
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Not quite the same. They converted the waves in to a form of energy before applying it to the water. I'll see if I can find the article.

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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: larry.fisherman]
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But a microwave does that too! It turns the waves into a type of energy in the water!


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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
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http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/wave-goodbye-to-global-warming-gm-and-pesticides-29525621.html

I can't find any research papers, but that's the article I found.

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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: larry.fisherman]
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XLCaps said:
Not quite the same. They converted the waves in to a form of energy before applying it to the water. I'll see if I can find the article.


Waves are a form of energy...

However, what you're saying doesn't sound scientifically possible. At best you could excite the electrons in water, but that wouldn't necessarily increase it's capacity to dissolve nutrients. Water is the "universal solvent" it already is able to carry more things than most other liquids, the nutrients just need to be water soluble.

EDIT: yeah, it's BS. If there's no research to back it up, then it's just pseudoscientific nonsense. There's not even an article describing how the "excited water" allegedly increased crop output by 30%

https://www.google.com/search?q=radio+wave+energised+water&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs


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"We cannot live for ourselves alone. Our lives are connected by a thousand invisible threads, and along these sympathetic fibers, our actions run as causes and return to us as results."


UBUNTU- I am because we are.


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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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I wasn't too sure, I always sucked at chemistry. I looked and looked, and couldn't find anything for research. I thought it was cool if it was real though. :shrug:

Fucking Irish.

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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: topdog82]
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In theory, organic farming is more environmentally friendly. However, when you consider the fact that avoiding the use of anything genetically modified typically leads to lower yields in the same amount of space, it isn't as sustainable as one might hope. Just look at it this way: how many posts have you seen here on the shroomery where people are trying to find the best yield per unit volume of floor space? It's because we want to make the most sustainable (i.e.: profitable) grows in the same amount of space. This is done in the real world by utilizing science (i.e.: GMOs)

This of course is in regards to plants, not animals. GMO agriculture is more sustainable, and when the masses stop throwing around their unsupported arguments against it, we might be able to see some good progress in the fight against world hunger.


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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: Justateacher]
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I work on an organic farm in the summer. The organic farming method is much more sustainable than its conventional counterpart, but as an industry it is still not sustainable at all. Organic farming still requires fertilizer inputs, pesticides, and other external inputs. Organic farming still intensively uses the soil, and leaves it exposed to UV radiation, erosion, stresses from compaction, increased salinity, and the like.

When organic farming is done on an industrial scale to meet the demands of our consumer culture it still falls waaaaaay short of sustainability-- even if the organic method is actually applied. I think the only way to actually begin to approach some kind of level of agricultural sustainability would be to rely primarily on seasonal food products that have been produced by local, or (at the very least) regional farms.


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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: topdog82]
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topdog82 said:
So whats the alternative?


PLANTS

It requires too much space and resources for humans to continue on as they have.

When humans stop eating animals we will have more room to grow more food. :thumbup:

Imagine the day when we are able to actually feed everyone! :awesomenod:

P.S. Are there any wwoofers on the shroomery?


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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: HalluciNate]
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HalluciNate said:
topdog82 said:
So whats the alternative?


PLANTS

It requires too much space and resources for humans to continue on as they have.

When humans stop eating animals we will have more room to grow more food. :thumbup:

Imagine the day when we are able to actually feed everyone! :awesomenod:

P.S. Are there any wwoofers on the shroomery?


Woofers: new age greasy hippies

At least the ones I've met. lol

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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: larry.fisherman]
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Now you're just labeling.

:lol:


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Re: Is the organic food industry sustainable? [Re: HalluciNate]
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HalluciNate said:
topdog82 said:
So whats the alternative?


PLANTS

It requires too much space and resources for humans to continue on as they have.

When humans stop eating animals we will have more room to grow more food. :thumbup:

Imagine the day when we are able to actually feed everyone! :awesomenod:

P.S. Are there any wwoofers on the shroomery?


we have evolved throughout time to eat lean meats (plus seafood, non starchy veggies and virtually all fruits)

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