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Trichocereus, From seed to cactus. 1
#19194907 - 11/27/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trichocereus hybrid grow blog! Small guide to grow trichocereus from seed.
 Decorative picture, peruvian seed grown trichocereus pachanoiI obtained good hybrid seeds from fellow shroomery friend and I want to share now blog from day one after seeds are sown.  Seeds are sown to 20x20cm wide and 10cm height tray with ~4cm of growing medium at bottom of tray. Seedling tray are above the heating pad and it has made from regular plastic food container with original cap fit to container with holes made to it. Tray and cap keeps humidity and moisture enough even there is already holes to prevent mold and ensure air circulation.  One hole at container cap are about ~2cm diameter and three another holes are ~1cm diameter. Every hole are corners at cap of container and because air inside gets hot it's obviously hot air automatically rise up and escape from holes at cap of tray.. So air circulation works.. Humidity and temperature is enough even I don't use totally closed cap to tray. Equipment: -2700K 125W cfl light bulb / changed to 36W fluoro tube at February of 2014 / Now(12th of April, 2014) light source is sun at windowsill. -Heating pad -24Hour timer what controls heat mat or timer for lights.Heating isn't necessary at all after +6months of cultivation, sun does heating fine. In case if you start growing during winter with extra heat !!!Basically trichs are easy to grow by using only somekind of miniature greenhouse, they don't need heat if they have some strong filtered light and climate is warm.Now there is 14hour day time and 10hour night time(Mid-winter 2013) Heating pad is always on with cfl grow lights, small enough to grow seedlings, later on before their first year age they should be adjusted to stronger sun light at windowsill, it's better than any artificial light for 1-2yo trichs. Especially sunny windowsill are perfect long time if someone is in climate like me and can't grow cacti outdoors. I have not measure temperature nor humidity so much but there is about +31-35C day time heat when heat rise after heat pad starts to heat. Night temperatures are about +18-22C. Temperatures Depends how cold room temperature is. And then back to topic:I have sown 3 different hybrids and germination rate was good. I don't count how much seeds I sow but it doesn't matter, I am interested to see what kind of trichocereus I can get. All 3 hybrids are sown to same container as mixed, I think to save some space and use only one seedling tray. Thanks for good quality seeds to my friend at shroomery who donate me good and fine seeds! List of trichocereus hybrids sown to tray: - [t. scopuicola x t. bridgesii] x super pedro - super pedro x [t. scopulicola x t. bridgesii] - t. scopulicola x t. pachanoi
My growing medium is simple: ~45-50% of coco coir ~25-30% of perlite ~20-25% of pumicide (volcanic rocks)There are also pumicide layer at top of growing medium and seeds are sown among then so they can get support from them later. Date of sowing is 11th day of November 2013Close shot from seedlings 10days after germination. Date 21th November 2013  Whole seedling tray in picture, hard to see still young seedlings. Date 21th November 2013.   This is going to be similar growing blog to thread of my lophophora sp grow blog.My lohpophora cultivation thread grow blog is here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18844859Update with pics are on the way as fast as plants grow. I try to update this monthly for you if you are interested to read and follow..  edit: Seeds can be germinated in any kind of plastic container what light will penetrate, ~1inch(2-2,5cm) thick growing medium level in container is ok and also draining+air circulating holes. One big flush of water enough and seedlings will stay alive long time without doing anything for them. Keep away organic material to prevent mold. Coco coir ´with lots of mineral rocks are great for cactus seedlings. Dry seasons can be started at age of 4-6months. Plants need water only at times when they are really shrink and show sign of dehyration. Always water full flush after first long drougt and when plants are big enough. Sometimes trichocereus seed germinate after first flush have dried and new soak of grow mediu cause them to germinate. Sometimes it's natural not all seedlings survive, but trichocereus is easy. Your absence is the key word with this. Plants don't need babysitter, even few month old cacti. Also I don't suggest to move the container of any cacti during grow season, especially with t. bridgesii and it's relatives got those black ooze sometimes if pot are moved around. Seedlings tolerate different light conditions till they are big cacti. Afterall, they don't move in nature much anyway.
Edited by intelligentlife (09/06/14 04:56 PM)
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19194945 - 11/27/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looking good, IL.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19194965 - 11/27/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They sounds like a cross that was done by someone I know. How was the germ rate? If they are the seeds that I think they are you will be the first person that I have heard of that has put them down so far. Interested to see how these turn out.
I thought I would edit this post with the photos of the mother and father Super Pedro
t. scopuicola x t. bridgesii

Cheers Got
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Edited by GoOnThen (12/20/13 07:29 AM)
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: GoOnThen]
#19195008 - 11/27/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't count seeds but there is pretty good amount of seedlings.. I had these 3 in separate bags and sow all to same container cause lack of space but it's ok to me..
I want to see what kind of plants I have later on I will move them to own pots.. I can't know 100% sure what plant is what cause all is mixed together but compared to seed amount I throw there and see seedlings from tray I can say germination rate is better than most of my trichocereus seeds I have sown.
What I can say.. One of the best germination rate I have experience with trichocereus but I cannot say total numbers cause I don't count the seeds.
I can estimate roughly I sow ~100-250 seeds or maybe more. Anyway, there is good amount of seedlings compared to seeds I sow!
There can come some later sprouts too possible, also it's only 10days after sow so there can come more seedlings anyway if some of them are germinating later..
First seedlings started to show after 3-4day.
I am facinated to hear I might be the first person to grow these hybrids.
It would be perfect to sow these every hybrids to own trays so I know what hybrid is what..
Anyway, they are hybrids and I think I pick same appearance plants later on to same pots. I probably grow these in pots where is 3-6 cactus plants in one pot after they reach bigger size, these should be ok size when summer is there so I can get them to good size after 2014 summer.  They are still all hybrids so I was not think there is any reason to separate these to own trays, its fun to find out what appearance cactus plants I found years later. 
I keep this thread updated with pics!
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19197790 - 11/27/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe that the fist two lots of seeds are my crosses ( [t. scopuicola x t. bridgesii] x super pedro - super pedro x [t. scopulicola x t. bridgesii]). I would doubt any one else would have done this cross both ways recently. You could check with the person you got them off and see if they came from me. If they are mine I can post pics of both the plants that produced the seeds and give you info on there origins.
It is a shame that all of the seeds were mixed up as it will be interesting to see the difference in the traits of the seedlings with the opposite crosses.
Whatever the outcome you are now growing Aussie genetics in (from what you have posted before) one of the coldest places in the world. 
Cheers Got
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: GoOnThen]
#19198544 - 11/27/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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GoOnThen said: I believe that the fist two lots of seeds are my crosses ( [t. scopuicola x t. bridgesii] x super pedro - super pedro x [t. scopulicola x t. bridgesii]). I would doubt any one else would have done this cross both ways recently. You could check with the person you got them off and see if they came from me. If they are mine I can post pics of both the plants that produced the seeds and give you info on there origins.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#19198927 - 11/28/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They are from you I know it.
Anyway, I think when I sow seeds to soil because they are all hybrids I grow tray full of trichocereus and then later on pick plants what have nice appearance and so on.
Because all indeed are hybrids and mixed with another, I can declare all bigger trichocereus later are hybrid but I have something data to show what they possible can be so I can rule lots of species out from these hybrids in tray. 
I am 100% sure person who send me seeds have not lie about the what they are, they are from you GoOnThen but not directly and hybrids are really what they are said to be.
Cause lack of space in here arctic I had to make decision I grow aussie hybrid tray without sorting the seeds further 
Later on when plants are older, even I don't know for sure what it is.. I don't mind it because I know there are only 3 seed strain used. It's interesting to find out what kind of appearance plants show cause so much of genetic variation. Probably after 1-2 years I start to see differences in plants. 
I probably label these to my collection as aussie hybrids or something! 
I am sure I probably never get trichocereus flowering here And I probably can't breed them further etc.. So I think I just grow a tray full of hybrids what I know they are.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19206131 - 11/29/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am also growing goonthens hybrids. And I already gave some out in trades. I have a small tray full of em. Germ rates were like 100 percent. But I did t count em,but judging by how many pinches I threw there I made sure I threw 4 pinches of seeds and sure enough it was full of em. I'll post a pic later
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: tizoc4u]
#19230084 - 12/05/13 05:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Update! 5th day of December.
Next week at Monday comes full 4 weeks time from the day of seeds are sown.
I have sow different seeds to 3 rows, not totally mixed, seems germination rate of all these hybrids are good. Better than most nurseries has sold me!
There are some pics from tray.


Looking good.. Perfect rate of germination even I have not count the seeds but when I see the amount of seedlings and remember the amount of seeds, I can estimate germination rate of 75-90%
Some minor moss seems to be at top of pumicide rocks probably cause of fertilizer spray.. Growing medium doesn't contain fertilizers at all.. Moss has never done harm to seedlings and I have find it can be benefit to create a small ecosystem to tray.. No mold around there so I'm not worried at all.
I can't update large pictures but these should do fine. I have reduce the size to save space. Age can vary from 2-3 week, some seeds have germinated later. Soon they are 1 month old.
I'm going soon away from home, I have to leave these for 2-3week alone.. I think they do fine. I just drop the time of heating pad for ensure moisture. I am confident cause I have seen very dehydrated young seedlings survived trough dry time at very young age and they starts shrivel again when got water.
Also the 4-5cm layer of growing medium holds long time moisture.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19236712 - 12/06/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow those look great! You're going to be a very happy camper in a few years
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: Joker Flash]
#19237132 - 12/06/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Joker Flash said: Wow those look great! You're going to be a very happy camper in a few years 
I have find a good way to grow cacti from seed in here arctic.
My recent attempts has usually failed or fatality of seedlings has been very high.
With head mat and lights controlled with timer gives nice day time heat what seems to be very critical to keep cactus alive without rotting in humid.
Before without any extra equipment in constant room temperatures I have not succeed to cultivate cacti from seed, for some reason without night and day temperature change most of seedlings rot very easily and die after germination.
Now it's good.. I think I'll have good amount of various trichocereus cacti at summer what I can move to windowsill and let them enjoy sun.
I am curious to find out what kind of appearance cacti I have after few seasons.. aww! 
I will update moar when I see it's necessary!
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19237232 - 12/06/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's pretty cool you can get them going up there! I'm in a much better climate and you're still doing a ton better than me I bet you're going to have a hell of a time if you decide to figure out what types you have. Should be pretty awesome bragging rights to say you have 50+ types of trichs. I need to figure out what the hell I'm going to do to get mine going properly.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: Joker Flash]
#19237330 - 12/06/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Joker Flash said: That's pretty cool you can get them going up there! I'm in a much better climate and you're still doing a ton better than me I bet you're going to have a hell of a time if you decide to figure out what types you have. Should be pretty awesome bragging rights to say you have 50+ types of trichs. I need to figure out what the hell I'm going to do to get mine going properly.
-Buy 24hour timer, heat pad(example from pet store used for reptiles) -Obtain artificial cheap lights, 20-200Wattage is ok. -Any plastic container does fine (I have very cheap plastic container with cap to it, old food container from store) -Coco coir, perlite and pumicide are good growing medium. (some big commercial cultivars use this)
Place your plastic box with cover above the heat pad and use 12-14hour heat on during day. You can use windowsill light if possible.
I can say, heating pad makes wonders, increase the humidity and day temperatures and therefor in high temperatures seedlings tolerate far way more water and grow fast when day temps are over +30C insde the box.
I have done four holes to cover of box and just sow seeds above the soil between pumidice rocks so they can get some support from rock surface. Coco coir is good. Also I microwave the growing medium about 1-2minute before sow seeds there to top of hot soil. Then I spray cool water and wait.
Now I am this point. If I have sun visible there arctic, I could not even need a artificial lights. Anyway after I take heat mats to use for seedlings I have seen good growth rate and successs of germination and reudction of sudden deaths.. 
I got my water proof heating pads at very cheap price from pet stores where they sell them when need to heat up a reptile environments. I find there same heaters are cheaper from pet stores compared to garden stores. Anyway, air circulation and heat pad has done very good job and I would not even think I grow cacti from seed without extra heat during day light. Also I fear less seedlings to root rot cause they just tolerate the moisture much better in +30-35C temperatures.. Also holes at top of container causes warm air "escape" and it's passive minor air circulation.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19237629 - 12/06/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey IntelligenteLife, good stuff brah.
I wanted to add that I completely agree about temp changes. I hit 86-90 in the day and drop to 70-73 in the evenings. My setup differs slightly from yours in that I have a thermostat on my heating pad and I'm using 30k lumen worth of 6500k light. My trays are a little different too but otherwise we've got similar conditions. Best of luck man you got a nice setup.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19239873 - 12/07/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome guide! I think for the most part I'm doing the same thing as you, except I don't have a heating pad. You stressed how helpful it is so I think I'll go pickup one once my yearly ice storm clears up My seedlings are in a tray with just sand and perlite, and I spray them with 1/4th strength cactus fertilizer every other day. I have germination of a fair amount of the seeds but I think that the tray is too shallow to allow proper root growth and that they will eventually die.
I also set up a smaller tray recently using the remainder of my seeds. It is a significant amount deeper, and is 1/3 perlite, 1/3 fine soil, 1/3 cactus soil; It has a layer of cactus soil over the substrate. I have higher hopes for this tray because I won't have to fertilize it for a while and it's deeper. Both trays are under two full spectrum 20W tube fluorescents.
I'll definitely go grab a heating pad next chance I get because my temperatures vary from a daytime temperature of about 24c (76f) to about 22c (72f).
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: Joker Flash]
#19301722 - 12/20/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have added some photos of the parents in my first post in this thread. Great to see you got good germination rates intelligentelife. I will watch this thread with interest.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: GoOnThen]
#19301766 - 12/20/13 07:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome work man
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19302038 - 12/20/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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intelligentlife said: Before without any extra equipment in constant room temperatures I have not succeed to cultivate cacti from seed, for some reason without night and day temperature change most of seedlings rot very easily and die after germination.
I've been thinking about this very topic recently. What's the temperature range your seedlings are exposed to?
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: chums of chance]
#19302072 - 12/20/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am not home so I can't see them but when heaters are off, temps are from +16-19C or so. Daytime, I have never measure how much heating pad gives moist and captured heat under the dome where seedlings are. I estimate daytimes to +30C or something with increased humidity. Because I'm not home or anything, I have only 12/12hour light cycle going on. Almost 300Wattage of fluoros to large area of young plants or germination containers.
I'm excited to see how they have been manage without care about two weeks or so. Now is week one.
Best way I success with seedlings are hot day time and cool night period. I do it with heating pads from 10-20Wattage/one. Trays are above them. Mostly when I let surface of soil dry very early, I usually got new sprouts of plants.
I give update in one or two week of this when I get back home. I'm on the road now. 
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GoOnThen said: They sounds like a cross that was done by someone I know. How was the germ rate? If they are the seeds that I think they are you will be the first person that I have heard of that has put them down so far. Interested to see how these turn out.
I thought I would edit this post with the photos of the mother and father Super Pedro
t. scopuicola x t. bridgesii

Cheers Got
Nice fat mother/father plants.. Fun to see how fat cacti I can get from seeds of those... Lack of light is always present most time of the year there.. haw haw. Well, it's a matter of few years. I probably introduce these to sun at summer with some shade cloth.
Edited by intelligentlife (12/20/13 09:53 AM)
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19303457 - 12/20/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome grow Intelligent. Lots of luck to your babies.
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