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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: ferrel_human]
#19304021 - 12/20/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ferrel_human said: Awesome grow Intelligent. Lots of luck to your babies.
Yeeew, can't wait to get to see these and post a update or something..
They will be one or two weeks more alone without any care. I have seen very dramatical droughts and seen how seedlings survive them. Also 5cm layer of moist coco+rocks+perlite is enough to keep moisture, cap of the container is full of some holes to ensure air circulation. 
Anyway, even I am on the road, I don't think even how's my seedlings do, it's winter time etc.
Probably after new year eve I show pics from the tray when I got to see it myself.. Anyway, cacti is always tought, no matter of age..
My over 6month old lophs has not been watered for month or so.. Don't even remember when I give them some water, I need be careful at winter time even I use extra heat.. Artificial day time is still short with heaters, I wan't all plants to know it's not summer time anyway but they manage to stay alive.
Hope I have in few years nice variations of trichocereus plants! 
Maybe so much I can share coolest ones with my friends or so
..an ofc update the pics there from the seedlings in tray. Also I notice this can be ok guide to use if someone want to grow cacti from seed and estimate the growth rate. Ofc I need to fertile these with liquid fertilizer sprayed above them with small amounts randomly. My growing medium doesn't contain anything fertilizers except minerals from volcanic rocks. 
I will take pic or two from my lophophora blog thread also and update both when I'm back home. I have also my lophophora grow blog thred in there shroomery. Project is atm +6months old or so..
These trichos should be good stage and size to give some sun at summer... Assuming no any big problems come up. I have notice a growth speed when cacti have hot day time, lots of less rotten seedlings compared to before when I don't used bottom heating equipment and these "mini-greenhouses" what sit above heat pad.
As I have experienced, in my climate some excess day time heat with cool nights benefits lots of cactus plants. There are rarely hot. Maybe at summer temps can rise to +30C but more common is +13-18C summer temperatures there outdoors.
If I success good, I maybe Can find a shady spot from greenhouse to this tray, would be awesome even I have silly amount of time I can even use greenhouse before too cold weather comes again.
Thanks you all you follow this.. I find it's fun to keep somekind of blog from day one to future.
Edited by intelligentlife (12/20/13 05:56 PM)
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19304628 - 12/20/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Youd be surprised at how well they do under no care. Sometimes neglecting them a little helps.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: ferrel_human]
#19304714 - 12/20/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have notice, more less I care them, better they seems to do.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19304830 - 12/20/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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One month update from the first post.
I just get back home, seems plants do better without any human care!
2weeks without no water etc, these do fine, I have relatively deep soil what storage water so these was perfect..
Can't wait when I see sun and give some for these later.
Pics are taken just today. 27th of december. + 1month from sowing

Looks good.. Also my lophophora's now +6months, was surprise to me..
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19332055 - 12/27/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very cool! Those are huge 
Glad to see they made it alright
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: Joker Flash]
#19332306 - 12/27/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well.. If you think, it's 4-5cm(~2inch) deep and 20x20cm(8x8inch) wide area of coco coir + perlite + pumicide. 12hour light and heat and rest of the day is cool. Completely moist growing medium like this will keep long time moisture and because high day temps(+30-35C)seems trichocereus and few other species tolerates lots of constant moisture and humidity.
Only mid-area have got some moss to surface of pumicide rocks, I think it's because I have spray some fertilizers there, moss grows where is light, I just turn some pumicide rocks around to prevent moss spreading even I have notice moss isn't bad even there is some.
I have never kept these in totally closed environment but air circulaton is enough mold doesn't have grown there.
I can take photo from whole box where I grow these.. Now I don't have time, I just spent time on the road 2weeks etc.. I probably update pic from tray when I got picture from lophophora plants after they have plump up. They was very nice condition and got some nice coloration due to longer drought.
------- Most pleasure I had when I look my lophs.. They're very tolerant against drought. These were also just spent time above heat pad without water and care little bit under 6 month old but they are not anymore under humidity bag or dome. I have start to treat these like adults..
6th day of Dec
 27th day of Dec

Next post there will come in 2-4weeks.. I'm trying to update monthly both my threads.
Edited by intelligentlife (12/28/13 07:22 AM)
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19358099 - 01/02/14 12:00 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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I promised to show a picture from tray what I use for these plants.
I use cheap candy box(buy'd from grocery store) for plants, cheap heating pad and some fluoro lights.
I have not taken much effort for this, fast done coco coir, perlite and pumicide growing medium, 8x8inch size wide plastic box, I have done some holes randomly to cover of box and bottom for drainage. I think I remove the cap from box after few months, then I start dry and wet season watering. 
Take a look how cheap seedling tray can be done. Only what I have paid is heating mat and light bulbs.. Pics are taken at 31th day of Dec.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19403342 - 01/11/14 11:20 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Update... Pics taken at 11th day of January 2014
Some pics only.. And ofc these have been grown some.

Nothing much more. I have randomly kept these at open air, Now light&heat cycle is 13/11 hour.. So one hour longer day than night.
So far so good. These have been done okey without any maintenance, one time I have spray some fertilizers for these, coco coir, perlite and pumicide doesn't contain any NPK at all..
I have not find a single dead seedling yet.. yey!
Edited by intelligentlife (01/11/14 11:22 AM)
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19403472 - 01/11/14 11:55 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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They look very good intelligent. A little stretched. How far away is your light on them? I plan I doing some mutant trich crosses soon. So I need some ideas on getting them started. Thanks.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: ferrel_human]
#19403500 - 01/11/14 12:03 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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If I haven't already said it somewhere along THE PATH. I love you Intellegentlife And THANK YOU
 
  
 
  
  
  
  
 
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: hookahhead]
#19403514 - 01/11/14 12:05 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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-------------------- "My worm farm" "96 Gallon Worm Tote" "Let Your Freak Flag Fly" "Respect Your Roots" "A KNEW IDEA"
"Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun"
If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19403645 - 01/11/14 12:35 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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intelligentlife said: Update... Pics taken at 11th day of January 2014
Some pics only.. And ofc these have been grown some.

Nothing much more. I have randomly kept these at open air, Now light&heat cycle is 13/11 hour.. So one hour longer day than night.
So far so good. These have been done okey without any maintenance, one time I have spray some fertilizers for these, coco coir, perlite and pumicide doesn't contain any NPK at all..
I have not find a single dead seedling yet.. yey!

Well done my good sir
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: ferrel_human]
#19403962 - 01/11/14 01:49 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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ferrel_human said: They look very good intelligent. A little stretched. How far away is your light on them? I plan I doing some mutant trich crosses soon. So I need some ideas on getting them started. Thanks.
Ferrel: If you want some ideas about trichs, turn my tread to your "guide" and keep on growing.. I have growing medium information at first post.. Mostly coco coir based but rocky and perlite containing growing medium is good for young trichs in my mind. You maybe don't need heating mat down there.. I don't know but it have helped me lots.
They're stretched but seems it's in the genus.. I have enough light etc.
Ofc the deck of the seedling tray block some light but soon I remove it and start dry and wet cycle..
My peyote container are just next to these.. They look fine what comes to light.. Also one pot of random trichos are fine..
Ofc fluoros are what they are but I can manage to get them big enough and then move these to enjoy some sun and so on.. When it's time for transplant, I bury the "neck" where is no spines what cause the appearance of streched..
I have diffusa seedlings also.. Grown slim and now they're round balls at top. They are also next to these.
I have find out most cacti grow that slim section without aeroles as seedling and will continue growth and go fat.
I tried to sow these along pumidice rocks to hide this "skinny neck" but seems they need new layer of pumicide.. Well I let hem be there.. Every seedling seems they're okey and like I said other pot of trichs have very good signs of what kind of light environment I have. But.. My diffusa have also skinny neck... Maybe it's natural? If I think these grow in their habitat, at cracks of the earth, they need long "skinny neck" to reach far and then start support surrounding environment rocks or another plants.
This happens to me always when I do surface sow.. Skinny neck what seems streched.. There are mixed hybrids, some are not so skinny or they're at deeper "holes" of growing medium.. I'm not worry at all.. Same heat pad have lots of another containers and they looks signs of good light environment as you may have seen from my young lophs. They are next to this tricho-tray.
These are growing next to tricho hybrid container, also skinny neck but otherwise they have turned to fat ball shape at top..

I have find out from these hybrids there are some with short neck, some with skinny necks.
I don't have now time to take photo from seedlings of trichocereus (different but next to these) they are totally fine and fattening up even they have skin neck.. Also my lophs I have updated have done same thing and I had randomly long and round young month old seedlings around the tray.
I have almost 300W of cfl and enough close.. Always when I do surface sow without even trying to sow seeds to some "holes" they come out like this but after few months they have very skin neck and fat top.. I probbaly need new layer of pumicide to add around these, but it's too early to say.. I don't know what grow fat, what grow slim etc.. Only I know cfl bulbs are not the best choice but will do 6-12months with trichocereus.
I have never doubt light amount with trichs when they look like this.. year old plant grow slim and not properly, then I doubt the light.. Maybe more 2700K color temp based fluoro bulbs have something to do with this "elongation" but hey.. they're just above one month old, now I will start to see how they really grow.. But I have all youngsters under same lights, no problems with them.
I have hypothesis about why some grow skin neck and some doesn't it's just matter of survival in dense mountain forest or at desert where seed can drop to deep crack and they benefit to grow naturally elongated and take support with their neck etc.. I find out about half of lophophora seedlings grow column, then turn to ball-shape, and another half goes directly to ball-shape.. Similar phenomena I have seen with trichs, and I have think because lots of different neck plants around same conditions, it's probably genetics and matter of survival in the wild. If these doesn't grow fat at top, then I can say I don't have enough light.
This is what I'm talking about:
 Same condition, cobulars and columnar shape mixed but now the lophs are pretty nice shape and actually have more light now than at the time of few weeks old.
Understand what hypothesis I'm trying to say about? Picture above are just same lophs I have kept "blog" to another thread, and now they are next to these trichs and show they are very satisfied, also another pot of 1-2months older trichs are doing fine next to these. IMO These are just too young to say, maybe only solid thing what I can say is reddish 2700K balanced light even there are mixed some 6500K bulbs. totally about ~300Wattage or cfl power.
But there is one factor, the cover of box can block some light so it can be reason to appearance also.. I will see after 2-4months what kind of plants these really are.. That neck are usually buried to soil or under rocky surface. I just don't have planned to transplant these for long time. Also, these will not going to be under these light conditions long time.. At summer they will be have some windowsill light and direct sun for sure.. I can harden them off with my HPS+MH light setup easily.. These lights to older plants tend to cause seedlings go seriously brown/purple in few days.
These trichs have one 125W fluoro above them only 20cm from cover of the box, next of them are few over 30Wattage bulbs different colored.. Should not be matter of light...
With adult trichos I know for sure.. shorter day length cause "elongation" very easy, no matter hot strong lights are. For compare 12/12 lights doesn't give so fat trichos compared to 16-20hour/day of lights on. Also like I said 2700K color temperature can be also one factor for these.. I have still never got "perfect" seedlings with fluoros and never willing to try.. They have nice place reserved at windowsill when spring and summer comes.. So they do fine that time...
Edited by intelligentlife (01/11/14 02:16 PM)
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19403994 - 01/11/14 01:59 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Hi, First off id like to say nice grow, looking forward to seeing future posts on it.
I planted my first seeds 5 days ago and did something similar to what you did. I was wondering if you start yours under cfls all the way from germination or if not what age do you start to adjust the seedlings from natural light to cfls?
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: OregonBlueShroom]
#19404034 - 01/11/14 02:06 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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OregonBlueShroom said: Hi, First off id like to say nice grow, looking forward to seeing future posts on it.
I planted my first seeds 5 days ago and did something similar to what you did. I was wondering if you start yours under cfls all the way from germination or if not what age do you start to adjust the seedlings from natural light to cfls?
I have no natural light at mid-winter.. Started with cfl germination.. It's enough strong light but not too strong it can't burn seedlings.
I will move these to natural light as they get old enough and when my climate allows it. Now I have 3hour/day possible light but no direct sunlight for weeks..
As fast as possible I move these in to natural light and probably use some shade cloth at first but I'm at arctic circle now, I really need wait to april-march in order to make possible to get natural light for plants enough.
Edited by intelligentlife (01/11/14 02:09 PM)
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: intelligentlife]
#19404118 - 01/11/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I will keep a close eye. I have never succesfully grown any trichs from seed. Not a single one. Total trichocereus nirvana eludes me. But I will take your tips intelligent and take notes too.
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: ferrel_human]
#19404270 - 01/11/14 03:02 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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ferrel_human said: I will keep a close eye. I have never succesfully grown any trichs from seed. Not a single one. Total trichocereus nirvana eludes me. But I will take your tips intelligent and take notes too.
Dude,seriously?I never knew that!
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: KBG1977]
#19404319 - 01/11/14 03:14 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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You're a legend intelligentlife , keep it up
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Re: [My grow blog] Trichocereus hybrids from seed! [Re: Junkheadrev]
#19465539 - 01/23/14 11:53 PM (10 years, 7 days ago) |
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24th of January.
I add some time ago small rocky layer to surface to hide slim neck of seedlings and let them have some support.
Overall pictures from one corner taken to two directions

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