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Fatigued and Burn out
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Lately I have been feeling worn out, Im not very old (19) but I feel like I don't have the same energy I used too and the same

sharpness, memory, ect. I normally do very well in school but this year Im not doing well in math and Im struggling to get A's in the

rest of my classes. I used to have a great memory, I could read a book and remember nearly all the details, now I just feel average. Its

sorta hard to keep up with things and maintain good grades now. I have never slept much, and this year is similar. In the past I

normally got between 5-7 hours of sleep a night, and on the weekends like 11. Last year I did the best with sleep I was getting about 7

hours most nights. This year I rarely get 7 hours (generally 6 sometimes 5 or 7) except on days with no school where I try to get 11.

To combat fatigue and help my body maintain a sleep cycle that coincides with the rest of societies for 2 years or so I have been using

stimulants. When I first started using them I took a small amount of time released amphetamine (5 days a week) which would keep me

up for most of the day and I slept better at night. I did that for a couple months until I realized it was causing me to feel horrible and

anhedonic. Then I started using stimulants 3-4 days a week and coffee on the off days,  it worked well. After that I started just

alternating coffee one day and amphetamine the next for 5-6 days a week. Lately I have tried using only caffeine (amphetamine once

in a while) for a couple weeks and then only amphetamine for a couple of weeks.


    That latest strategy might be bad since I feel so lethargic but it might just coincide with me feeling bad. Also the reason I started

using stimulants was because during the day I drift in and out of sleep for a large part of the day, which is very unproductive and

tortuous. To try to get good sleep at night I take melatonin most nights and a benzodiazepine about a night a week.I take a

multivitamin and a gram or 2 of vitamin C every day, along with magnesium when I take amphetamine and my choice of anti-oxidant

depending on the duration and strength of amphetamine either CoQ-10 or astaxanthim. I also take omega 3 a couple days a week

since I cant afford it more often. I eat a good diet with lots of protein and the only downside to my diet could be sugar, but I find sugar

to be beneficial to keeping an alert mind (not in large amounts). If you read all this thanks, Im just wondering what you think (if you

have experience) is the best rout to take to combat fatigue/tiredness and stay awake and alert while also sleeping well at night.

Additionally lately I have been using kratom a couple times a month. I always smoke weed a couple times a month, trip occasionaly,

and drink about once a month. I decided to cut out alcohol since I feel like it only makes things worse. Also taking no drugs does not

work well in my experience, I end up drifting in and out of sleep most of the day until I get home when I can rest for an hour or 2 and

wake up for a couple hours to do work, then go back to sleep around 1-2am ( I have to get up at 6). I also work out at the gym 3-4

days a week and do cardiovascular exercise 4-5 days a week. Thanks for your time and thoughtfulness.

Edited by Anonymous (11/07/13 06:06 PM)

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I'm sorry to hear that you're feeling poorly. I recall going through alternating periods of feeling especially 'on' and 'off' when I was your age, though I wasn't nearly as meticulous in caring for and monitoring myself.

Have you been to the doctor for bloodwork any time in the recent past?

100-level problem-solving here, but is there any chance you might be anemic? How about vitamin D deficient?

Have you tried getting a bit more exercise?

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: Me_Roy]
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No clue if I'm anemic or vitamin D deficient but I actually have an old bottle of vitamin D so I may as well try taking some. I get plenty of exercise, I'm guessing you read my post before I edited and put that part in. I Work out (lifting weights) 3-4 days a week, I run to the gym, I run at other times, and I do a martial art 3-4 days a week for 1-3 hours. Iv even started running to near by places, but I can only run for about 2.5 miles.

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: Anonymous #1]
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OP, check out the following lecture. The guy got into Chinese herbs after recognizing that he was young suffered from low energy levels, just like you.\


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18530128


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: s240779]
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Chinese herbs suck.  Ayurvedic is better - more gentle. Chinese shit all increases blood pressure.  If you want an herb for general tonic check into amalaki - plain amalaki.

I read your post and to me the answer is in the question. You work too hard, you also play too hard. You also use chemicals. You are demanding something from your body and mind that it doesn't have to give.

You simply must come back to the basics - food, exercise, balanced sex life, sleep, naps, eat and let the food settle, sunlight, clean living space, pets, stay clean.

Set up a routine and stick to it. Consider it a retreat. You young people must learn to pace yourselves in a manner which can become a lifestyle.  Using drugs to allow exceptional studying and insight will dovetail to the opposite, including depression and burnout.

You will not find a magic cure. Life demands discipline.

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Anonymous said:
Chinese herbs suck.  Ayurvedic is better - more gentle. Chinese shit all increases blood pressure.  If you want an herb for general tonic check into amalaki - plain amalaki.


And you know what you're talking about? That sounds so arrogant.


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: s240779]
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No matter what, exercise or not, having to wake up at 6am really fucks me over. My natural sleep cycle is like from 2am-11am, so its hard to go to sleep any time before midnight. I am demanding a lot from my body but not too much, I take breaks from exercise when I need them. I know that if I could wake up at my normal waking time every day I would be much more alert and much less tired. Using stimulants during the day allows my body to be awake when it has to be and then tired when it needs to be for this modern day cycle of things.

Edited by Anonymous (11/07/13 08:30 PM)

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Try working a nightshift for a few years, now that's fatigue.

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: Sketch Turner]
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. I also take omega 3 a couple days a week since I cant afford it more often.


Man you should check out this thing here. I bet your Omega 3 / Omega 6 balance is way off, and if you take Omega 3 a couple days a week, it's probably a lot less than you need. Like to see some actual results, I am popping about 6 pills a day or more, that's 1000 mg pills with 18% EPA. Do the math on how much EPA you're getting per day, and you'll see you're way under 1000.

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I eat a good diet with lots of protein and the only downside to my diet could be sugar, but I find sugar to be beneficial to keeping an alert mind (not in large amounts).


IMO this is completely bad for you. Eat sugar if you can't stop and are compulsive about it, but don't delude yourself thinking it's good for you. If you crave sweet stuff, buy some stevia pills, they won't fuck with your blood sugar and insulin levels all the time and won't ruin your teeth.

For a mild healthy stim also consider Yerba Mate. If you prepare it strong you can definitely feel it, and again, it won't fuck you up long term.

Oh and please stop this crap with the extra lines in your paragraphs, your OP reads like typewriter stuff from 1945 :lol:


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Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.



For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it,
and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: s240779]
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Da2ra said:
Anonymous said:
Chinese herbs suck.  Ayurvedic is better - more gentle. Chinese shit all increases blood pressure.  If you want an herb for general tonic check into amalaki - plain amalaki.


And you know what you're talking about? That sounds so arrogant.


sorry, but yes, i do know

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Sure you do.


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: Spacerific]
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Quote:



Oh and please stop this crap with the extra lines in your paragraphs, your OP reads like typewriter stuff from 1945 :lol:


I think it makes the post much, much more readable.

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: Me_Roy]
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Hi Anonymous 1, After reading your description i feel you are in the same position as me. I would think that you have adhd-pi, same as Einstein (not hyperactive, but has the typicality of not waking up fast but rather wanting to go to bed late, among many others). But not completely effective with amf.

Personally i always went to bed around 1-3 and slept 3-5 hours and then slept 2-3 hours dinner evr day. But at the time there where no amf available or melatonin for that matter.

Anyway, i do not have amf available but will work to get it. What i got is duramine some slimming pills that is use for the amf properties to increase my dopamine, and i also use some kratom. Evr day about 1.5 gram. I would think kratom goes well with amf...but remember with kratom 1.5 gram is enough, otherwise it would be abuse...(some need more for many reasons, but if you are not one of them that need it for pain or from quitting something worse addictive 1.5/2 grams is enough and you should not use it for a couple of days every second week) and of course a lot of coffee and caffeine. Lately i have tried to add nicotine some times, and it also is good. Of course being 33 years, i dont start smoking, but i use "snus" or chewing tobacco.. sometimes puffing a cigar without inhaling... i just ordered suntheanin, which i belive maybe u also would benefit from.

Also.. once i remember i had lack of B vitamin (was 22)...i started to that supplements intramuscular and i totally became more energetic.

Andreas T

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: AndreasT]
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Cursed Reals: Yes that would be much worse, Im not completely fatigued but I know if things don't change I will be in the future. Sorry if you have to do that. If you do have to stay up late you may as well try having a blue light since it sort of stimulates the brain to be more awake. I have a blue light in my house so I take breaks from schoolwork if its in the middle of the night to sit under it.

Spacerific: I believe it is reasonable and healthy to have some sugar in your diet, Im not talking about eating doughnuts or whatever junk people eat, just some chocolate (mostly dark) and some mornings I'l have waffles with real maple syrup. I try to eat fish a couple days a week but I'm also going to look into finding cheap bulk omega 3. I do not know much about yerba mate but it appears to simply contain different xanthine alkaloids so it seems similar to coffee or dark chocolateI. I double spaced my post since I can't read single spaced that well now, since things aren't on a perfect grid but instead all moving around (from psychedelics), and I thought other people might also have warping vision.

AndreasT: Thanks for the information, If I happen to find a good deal on intramuscular vitamin B I may as well try it. If you can't get amphetamine you should look into some structurally similar chemicalss or maybe try ephedrine. I have been slightly interested in trying nicotine but there is conflicting information about its effect on cognition, how do you feel it effects your cognition?

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I believe it is reasonable and healthy to have some sugar in your diet, Im not talking about eating doughnuts or whatever junk people eat, just some chocolate (mostly dark) and some mornings I'l have waffles with real maple syrup.


Refined sugar? I call major bullshit. It has no nutritional value and especially on an empty stomach, things with high glycemic index will fuck with your blood sugar and insulin levels. Namely you'll get a sugar spike, followed by an insulin increase and then a sugar crash, as the chocolate is digested fast, doesn't last for hours like an actual meal. I'm not a doc or anything, but I know it's not good to tax your pancreas like that.

Any short term energy you get from sugar rushes will take their toll long term.

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I try to eat fish a couple days a week but I'm also going to look into finding cheap bulk omega 3.


Aim at 1000 mg of EPA (not 1000 mg of Omega 3) per day, at least for a week or so, to feel the difference. Unless you're a pro fisherman living in the ocean, you probably aren't getting that from regular fish you eat. I linked you to that TED talk, take a look if you want, it's really great info.

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I do not know much about yerba mate but it appears to simply contain different xanthine alkaloids so it seems similar to coffee or dark chocolateI


It's not like coffee, it doesn't feel like coffee and doesn't make you hyper at high doses. It's not like chocolate as it doesn't dump shitloads of sugar in your system causing unhealthy sugar spikes and dives. Buy a box and try a few strong cups, see how you feel. For me it's a combination of both calm and energy, really smooth, great for on-task focus.


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Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.



For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it,
and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16

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Re: Fatigued and Burn out [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I'll look into it Mr. Anonymous thanks, I've only got to do another year of it so don't feel bad for me.

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