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Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate!
    #7598794 - 11/05/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am in my early 20s and have been suffering from fatigue for a decade now. I get sent from doctor to doctor with no solid diagnosis made - One thing they agree on is that the problem is not physical, as urine and blood tests show that I am in excellent health.

I'm becoming very desperate and cannot even score a simple Provigil prescription because the doctors in my area have come under scrutiny for easily prescribing stimulants in the past (even though Provigil is more like coffee than meth).

I get a good 8 hours of sleep daily, not waking up at night and sometimes even having lucid dreams. I do not have sleep apnea.

I feel sleep deprived and have been living with a mental fog every day of my life for the past 10 years. I cannot concentrate on anything, including my business, studies, hobbies and family. I'm very apathetic and irritable, and usually let my fatigue run my life because after so long, I'm tired of fighting it.

My quality of life is low, and I spend many nights in bed depressed simply because I feel that the medical community has let me down. Other than that I have no reason to be depressed, and I don't feel sad. In fact, deep down I'm very enthusiastic about life, but feel that I am physically unable to perform or do anything. I feel trapped.

I've been through different diets and I meditate and exercise on a regular basis. The only thing that has worked so far (other than stimulants) are psychedelics. Tripping gives me an extreme amount of energy and makes me who I want to be. Shrooms make me sober, whereas without psychedelics I feel as if I am bogged down and intoxicated by fatigue.

I am going for a graduate degree in biochemistry and spend most of my time in class, but as my condition gets worse, I feel I am unable to maintain my GPA and I can easily justify a daily speed habit, because I'd rather live a short fulfilling life than a miserable 100 years spent mostly nodding off in my car or in bed.

Please understand that I am not asking for your sympathy, and having a huge ego, I'm not the type that would post something like this here. I am VERY desperate and I am seeking as many opinions on this matter as I can get.


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: Quake3]
    #7598817 - 11/05/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

why not grow pounds of shrooms and trip 24/7? sounds like fun ;0


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: usg543]
    #7598854 - 11/05/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: Quake3]
    #7598868 - 11/05/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am sort of similar, in stretches at least. There are times when I simply don't have nearly as much energy as my friends and would rather go to sleep early, meditate, read, or surf the net than actually do anything. If I have a day to myself, more often than not a preponderance of it is spent lounging, napping, staring blankly at a computer screen, or something like that. I'm in college now and I don't feel as though I'll ever have the energy to finish my degree or work a full-time job.

Mostly, I believe it's conditioning. I've spent many years with a bleak, existential outlook on life, bottling up anger, sadness, insecurity, anxiety, etc. with weed, TV, the Internet, food, and alcohol. It's very easy to accumulate negative energy, and the residuum of negative memories, thoughts, emotions, and actions accumulate to create one's sense of self, and this false sense of self is probably what causes this seemingly unbreakable pattern of mental and physical fatigue.

So I've gotten this far, and realized I don't have much good advice. I've found meditation, yoga, exercise, and a balanced diet very beneficial, when I can manage to stick with any of them for a long enough period of time. It's so frustrating, isn't it?... Having to fight against these conditioned patterns, wondering if one's whole life will be lived in a haze, after having glimpsed the serene energy of the present moment.


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: AJ4U]
    #7598873 - 11/05/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

physical activity. I know it seems like it may make you more tired, but it will help boost your metabolism and give you more energy. Get out and walk, hike, ride a bike. Do as much outside as you can, soak up the sun.

Try playing some tennis or go inline skating- things like this make you forget your even doing exersize


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: usg543]
    #7598887 - 11/05/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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why not grow pounds of shrooms and trip 24/7? sounds like fun ;0




I could. I could also just have a methamphetamine patch on all day, but I'm looking for a long term solution - or rather, just a REASON for why I feel like this.

I'm sick and tired (heh) of waking up and being under a chronic malaise. Have you ever been sleep deprived or experienced strong caffeine withdrawals? Do you know how irritable you get, how any small problem can tick you off? How you're in a mental haze and cannot concentrate on anything and cannot even socialize?

I want to be able to sit down and draw a picture without a deep desire to clear my table and sleep. I want to be able to sit down and finish coding a program without half my brain wanting to just go rest. I want to be able to read a paragraph without having to re-read it 5 times to get its point. I want to be able to do these things without being under the influence of any drug.


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: Quake3]
    #7598935 - 11/05/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This is a book on buddhism, but there are many chapters in which he discusses why we have outlooks similar to the one you currently have. It's due to how your mind is conditioned, there is nothing physically wrong with you, it's all psychological. I suffer from this as well too.

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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7599007 - 11/05/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Do you lift weights? Do cardio? Those both are excellent.

What kind of diet do you follow now?

I used to have the same exact problem as you. I would constantly be tired and feel like I couldn't really think. Almost like I was retarded or something. It was just sooo hard to stay alive and comprehend what was going on around me.

Then I just stopped eating carbs almost completely. All I eat is meat, oils, nuts, and calorically and carbohydrate sparse vegetables (spinach, lettuce, onions, zuchinni, asparahgus, etc.) and now I feel perfectly fine and am full of energy. After doing a lot of research, it seems like some people just can't function on glucose, and are way better off living on fats instead. Grains are a fairly new thing, and many humans haven't evolved to where they can run strictly off of carbohydrates.

I only wish more people knew this. It's a really common thing now for people running out of energy constantly through the day thanks to insulin crashes and what not. So many of them are becoming addicted to caffeine or other things just to get them through daily life, when they don't have to.

There's a book out called "Good Calories, Bad Calories" written by G. Taube that backs this information up with tons and tons of research. It's really a shame that it didn't hit the spotlight and is already hitting bargain shelves in bookstores after only being out for a month.


P.S. When I do eat carbs for one days of the week, I feel the same as I used to before I started eating this way. I'll feel spun for like 40 minutes, then get tired. Then get cloudy. Then spun after I eat, then tired again.


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: lbtchnlgs]
    #7599167 - 11/05/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the replies. The thing is that I do exercise; Jog and inlike skate on a regular basis. To be honest, it's not so much a physical fatigue as it is mental. I can skate for hours on end, but mentally I'm in a fog all the time.

In computer terms, imagine your computer's CPU usage being 100%. Programs respond slowly and it's irritating to work with. This is exactly how my brain feels. I used to think that this was anxiety or stress - and it might be. Meditation helps with both though, but doesn't seem to get rid of the fog.


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7599191 - 11/05/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you lift weights? Do cardio? Those both are excellent.

What kind of diet do you follow now?

I used to have the same exact problem as you. I would constantly be tired and feel like I couldn't really think. Almost like I was retarded or something. It was just sooo hard to stay alive and comprehend what was going on around me.

Then I just stopped eating carbs almost completely. All I eat is meat, oils, nuts, and calorically and carbohydrate sparse vegetables (spinach, lettuce, onions, zuchinni, asparahgus, etc.) and now I feel perfectly fine and am full of energy. After doing a lot of research, it seems like some people just can't function on glucose, and are way better off living on fats instead. Grains are a fairly new thing, and many humans haven't evolved to where they can run strictly off of carbohydrates.

I only wish more people knew this. It's a really common thing now for people running out of energy constantly through the day thanks to insulin crashes and what not. So many of them are becoming addicted to caffeine or other things just to get them through daily life, when they don't have to.

There's a book out called "Good Calories, Bad Calories" written by G. Taube that backs this information up with tons and tons of research. It's really a shame that it didn't hit the spotlight and is already hitting bargain shelves in bookstores after only being out for a month.


P.S. When I do eat carbs for one days of the week, I feel the same as I used to before I started eating this way. I'll feel spun for like 40 minutes, then get tired. Then get cloudy. Then spun after I eat, then tired again.




Thanks for this post! I've actually been through a number of diets because I know that has a profound impact on body and brain. I've been through raw veganism, veganism, anabolic diet, etc.

Raw veganism gave me lots of physical energy and perfect bowl movements, but it left me mentally drained and it's too time consuming to prepare food. The anabolic diet - high fat, low carb, made me very euphoric and full of energy at first, but after about 3 weeks I "crashed." I know that there's a crash when your body begins going into ketosis, but I had to start eating carbs again to pass my classes. Also, healthy fats are expensive and hard to come by, so this diet shares the same problems as raw veganism in terms of price and how maintainable it is for a full time college student: They're hard!

I always go back on the anabolic diet because I do see great results from it. I'm actually writing a research paper debunking many myths about cholesterol and fats, and I just got blood work done which showed that I have good levels of good to bad cholesterol, and I ONLY eat fats!

Like I said before, this diet recommends that you eat STABLE fats like from butter and nuts, and unheated olive oil. Trans fat, hydrogenated oils and saturated fat that comes from pasteurized products (milk, cheese, etc) is still unhealthy on this diet, at least that's my interpretation from the literature so far, although my understanding of the diet isn't as much as I'd like. Please don't hesitate to correct me.

At the moment I'm living on dextrose but plan on getting back on a high fat diet when I'm done with exams. I had to stop because I always felt hungry and drained, but I understand that this was because my body was looking for carbs and this would cease after I go into ketosis. How long does that take usually? Also, even though the heart prefer energy from fats, the brain prefers energy from sugars and our bodies can convert sugars to fat but has a hard time doing the opposite - so how has your mental functioning been exactly? I spend most of my day solving math problems and such, so this is my main concern. Cheers.


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: Quake3]
    #7599205 - 11/05/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you lift weights? Do cardio? Those both are excellent.

What kind of diet do you follow now?

I used to have the same exact problem as you. I would constantly be tired and feel like I couldn't really think. Almost like I was retarded or something. It was just sooo hard to stay alive and comprehend what was going on around me.

Then I just stopped eating carbs almost completely. All I eat is meat, oils, nuts, and calorically and carbohydrate sparse vegetables (spinach, lettuce, onions, zuchinni, asparahgus, etc.) and now I feel perfectly fine and am full of energy. After doing a lot of research, it seems like some people just can't function on glucose, and are way better off living on fats instead. Grains are a fairly new thing, and many humans haven't evolved to where they can run strictly off of carbohydrates.

I only wish more people knew this. It's a really common thing now for people running out of energy constantly through the day thanks to insulin crashes and what not. So many of them are becoming addicted to caffeine or other things just to get them through daily life, when they don't have to.

There's a book out called "Good Calories, Bad Calories" written by G. Taube that backs this information up with tons and tons of research. It's really a shame that it didn't hit the spotlight and is already hitting bargain shelves in bookstores after only being out for a month.


P.S. When I do eat carbs for one days of the week, I feel the same as I used to before I started eating this way. I'll feel spun for like 40 minutes, then get tired. Then get cloudy. Then spun after I eat, then tired again.




Thanks for this post! I've actually been through a number of diets because I know that has a profound impact on body and brain. I've been through raw veganism, veganism, anabolic diet, etc.

Raw veganism gave me lots of physical energy and perfect bowl movements, but it left me mentally drained and it's too time consuming to prepare food. The anabolic diet - high fat, low carb, made me very euphoric and full of energy at first, but after about 3 weeks I "crashed." I know that there's a crash when your body begins going into ketosis, but I had to start eating carbs again to pass my classes. Also, healthy fats are expensive and hard to come by, so this diet shares the same problems as raw veganism in terms of price and how maintainable it is for a full time college student: They're hard!

I always go back on the anabolic diet because I do see great results from it. I'm actually writing a research paper debunking many myths about cholesterol and fats, and I just got blood work done which showed that I have good levels of good to bad cholesterol, and I ONLY eat fats!

Like I said before, this diet recommends that you eat STABLE fats like from butter and nuts, and unheated olive oil. Trans fat, hydrogenated oils and saturated fat that comes from pasteurized products (milk, cheese, etc) is still unhealthy on this diet, at least that's my interpretation from the literature so far, although my understanding of the diet isn't as much as I'd like. Please don't hesitate to correct me.

At the moment I'm living on dextrose but plan on getting back on a high fat diet when I'm done with exams.





Yeah, the initiation period into ketosis can be a bitch. But it goes away, and luckily it's like a virginity. Your body adapts to it, and you don't have to go through that again.

As for fats, processed fats are definitely bad and should be avoided. But saturated fats and dietary cholestoral actually isn't a problem. I proudly cook my red meat in lard!


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7599627 - 11/05/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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When no soul is present the body is unconscious or as if dead. It continues to function in a purely mechanical manner, but is incapable of generating wakefulness. Comprehension declines and the body collapses. It is exhausted, weary and feels cold, growth is impeded, and so on. The soul is the source of health, strength and warmth.




Lifting weights, drinking water, eating vitamins... none of this is going to work, I'm having the same problem. Something has to be done from the spiritual level. What this has to be, I don't know but good luck friend.

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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7601394 - 11/06/07 04:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Do you smoke a lot of weed?


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: blo0mz]
    #7601433 - 11/06/07 05:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you smoke a lot of weed?




Nah, I only use weed medicinally for nausea (very rare). The fatigue started before I ever tried any drug. I don't know when exactly because in my youth I countered it with massive amounts of sugar (works like a charm, better than caffeine).

Nobody asked me how I sleep. I usually have vivid dreams and sometimes even lucid dreams, but either way I am easily awakened. I don't snore, but my senses remain acute, like a sleeping cat that jumps awake the moment she hears something unfamiliar.


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: Quake3]
    #7601667 - 11/06/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Do you feel a lot of tension and stress in the body? Rub your temples or your shoulders and see how they feel. Are they tight?

Do you find that when you meditate, it can take up to 15 or 20 minutes to simply get your body in a completely relaxed position?


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: Quake3]
    #7601921 - 11/06/07 10:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I could. I could also just have a methamphetamine patch on all day, but I'm looking for a long term solution - or rather, just a REASON for why I feel like this.




If you are like me then you probably need to trip more often with stronger doses.  I believe that shrooms, etc are like a vitamin that some people need more than others.  Think of shrooms as an actual food that your mind is starving for.  Like the Rally's ad says..."You gotta eat!" :smile:


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: AncientBeing]
    #7602613 - 11/06/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I would take a good high quality multivitamin (Solgar, Biocare, NOW Foods, etc.) and even more importantly some nettle herb in tea or capsuled form. Do a Google search on "nettle fatigue" for more on why this might work.

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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: Quake3]
    #7602904 - 11/06/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Have you got unresolved issues from the past? Abuse? Abandonment?

Do you think psychotherapy might help clear your mind?


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: Quake3]
    #7602916 - 11/06/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Also, have the doctors ruled out thyroid issues?


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Re: Fatigue is ruining my life - very desparate! [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7605409 - 11/07/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Also, have the doctors ruled out thyroid issues?




Yes. Thyroid problems don't last long without beginning to cause other side effects. I had a great life, but psychosis isn't uncommon in my family tree.


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