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OfflineThe_Hobbit
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Re: Chronic Fatigue [Re: zorbman]
    #6114259 - 09/29/06 04:18 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I suggest relaxing. It sounds like you are having to deal with alot of stuff and it helps to take time out during the day to simply relax.

I beleive that smoking some buds is a good way to chill out. Moderation is key so make the most of it. Hang out with a cool friend and go on an adventure. Play chess ontop of a mountain.


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Re: Chronic Fatigue [Re: zorbman]
    #6122585 - 10/01/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I dont rate Brownstein's views that most unknown modern disorders relate purely to iodine. (Chronic fatrigue syndrome which has a lot more to it than just simply being tired all the time)
Myabe you just need more sleep than the average person -
True Chronic fatigue syndrome is more to do with feeling fluey or sick all the time, than just tired.


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Re: Chronic Fatigue [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #6123057 - 10/01/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

He already said he gets plenty of rest.
As for iodine I have stated previously it is not a factor in my judgment.

This sounds exactly like sleep apnea and would explain his symptoms. This condition is even known to occur after getting mono. And he stated the fatigue began shortly after getting mono. I don't want what else he needs. So I've given the information- I don't know if he's read it. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't get him to drink.


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Re: Chronic Fatigue [Re: zorbman]
    #6125779 - 10/02/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I did read the info, but it didn't really leave me with many answers. After reading everything about sleep apnea, it seemed even less likely that I actually have it. But then again, it's impossible to be certain because I can't watch myself sleep. However, I don't find that when I wake up I'm breathing heavily to make up for lack of oxygen. I just realise I'm awake and think "Fuck, what time is it?" I also don't fall asleep during the day when I get the chance to sit down (I work in an office sitting down all day).
But what I do notice is that generally when I wake up, I have a strong desire to pee. And even in winter, I can sweat quite a bit in bed.

The tricky part then would be treatment. I have already had my tonsils removed, and last month I was on predisone (for ear inflammation) and sleep patterns during this time were unchanged.

And bluemeanie, you don't necessarily need to feel like you have the flu all the time. However, I generally feel unwell (not runny nose or cough, just that sensation that you're sick) and get frequent headaches, cloudy thinking, difficulty focusing, waking up tired after a good period of rest and feeling pretty shitty after a good strenous walk or exercise. Below is a list of the symptoms of CFS. My primary symptom being overwhelming fatigue both physical and mental.

Symptoms
According to the 1994 Fukuda definition there are eight main categories of symptoms in CFS:

Fatigue: People with CFS experience profound, overwhelming exhaustion, both mental and physical, which is worsened by exertion, and is not relieved (or not completely relieved) by rest. To receive a diagnosis of CFS, this fatigue state must last for six months.
Pain: Pain in CFS may include muscle pain, joint pain (without joint swelling or redness, and may be transitory), headaches (particularly of a new type, severity, or duration), lymph node pain, sore throats, and abdominal pain (often as a symptom of irritable bowel syndrome). Patients also report; bone, eye and testicular pain, neuralgia and painful skin sensitivity. Chest pain has been attributed variously to microvascular disease or cardiomyopathy by researchers, and many patients also report painful tachycardia.
Cognitive problems: people with CFS may experience forgetfulness, confusion, difficulty thinking, concentration difficulties, and "mental fatigue" or "brain fog". Additional signs may be experienced; in the 2003 Canadian Definition these include aphasia, agnosia, and loss of cognitive body map[1][2].
Hypersensitivity: people with CFS are often sensitive to light, sound, and multiple chemicals and foods. Many CFS patients report an increase in allergic-type sensitivity to foods, scents, and chemicals, and many also report a sensitivity to medications, which can complicate treatment. Patients with pre-existing allergies, asthma, and similar conditions often report a worsening of symptoms. Sensory overload is commonly reported by patients, leading to increased fatigue and even migraine or seizures.
Poor temperature control: people with CFS often report either feeling too hot or too cold, possibly due to involvement of the hypothalamus, which regulates body temperature. Many CFS patients frequently run a low fever, or report fever-like symptoms (sweating, feeling too hot or cold, etc.) without measurable fever temperature.
Sleep problems: "Unrefreshing sleep" and rest is a hallmark of CFS, and insomnia is also common. Maintaining a sleep schedule is extremely difficult for many patients. Vivid, "feverish" dreams are a symptom in many people with CFS, exacerbating disturbed sleep patterns. Patients report that exercise, unlike in healthy persons, worsens the insomnia and unrefreshing sleep symptoms alike.
Psychological/Psychiatric symptoms: emotional lability, anxiety, depression, irritability, and sometimes a curious emotional "flattening" (most likely due to exhaustion), may manifest in CFS patients. Many of these symptoms can be directly caused by the CFS mechanism or, in some cases, may be secondary symptoms created by the syndrome, as many chronic pain or illness patients also show similar psychiatric issues. CFS patients with pre-existing psychiatric symptoms may report that these worsen with the onset of CFS. Treatment for psychiatric symptoms alone does not relieve the physical symptoms of CFS, indicating that the disease is not psychological in nature.
Disturbances in the autonomic nervous system and hormones:
People with CFS often have abnormalities in the autonomic nervous system such as low blood volume, orthostatic intolerance, dizziness and light-headedness, especially when standing up quickly.
Hormonal abnormalities may include abnormal vasopressin metabolism and a blunted ACTH response, leading to hypothyroidism and/or low cortisol and reduced ability to respond to physiological and emotional stress. Patients sometimes show abnormally low levels of testosterone, growth hormone and other important hormones.


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Re: Chronic Fatigue [Re: Sheepish]
    #6127677 - 10/03/06 08:52 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hpa_axis

Check that out.

No big suprise. It's basically saying that you need to get things in order because anything less is just asking for trouble. What I mean by that is that you have to know how to be healthy. If you do not sleep enough, work out enough, eat right, relax - you are just hurting yourself. There is already enough stuff that hurts you without you hurting yourself. =)


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Re: Chronic Fatigue [Re: The_Hobbit]
    #6130129 - 10/03/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

eat sprouts


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Re: Chronic Fatigue [Re: sleepy]
    #6130159 - 10/03/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Sprouts are very stong food. They have as much protein as meat and eggs, as much vitamin C as orange juice, as much vitamin A as carrots, just to name a few."

nowaday you get everything you need from sources like meats and dairy right? and after you eat these big "heavy" meals you feel tired because your body is using energy to get energy . it takes alot of energy to break those complex foods down, wheras sprouts do not take any of your energy to break down, they digest themselves. you can save energy by eating sprouts and use it for healing, or just being more awake. people have reported needing less sleep and feeling more "energized" while eating a diet full of sprouts... for best results just eat them raw and by themselves. combine pretty much any two types of sprouts to get complete nutrition. try like 1 raw meal a day and 2 cooked, or 1 raw and 1 cooked and one bowl of cereal or whatever for breakfast and i bet you will feel a difference. if you feel like eating more sprouts would be good for you, then try it. everyBody is different so you have to feel what is right for you. and they taste great. you really have to try it yourself. after 1 meal see how you feel. if food makes you groggy, sprouts will make you feel fine. if food makes you feel fine, sprouts will make you feel like you weigh less because you have so much energy


http://www.sproutpeople.com/seeds.html

this is a good website for info but you don't need to buy their seeds, you can get them locally


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Re: Chronic Fatigue [Re: sleepy]
    #6135375 - 10/05/06 05:00 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Try licorice tea for a week and then tell me im wrong...


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