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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I put some old plant tone around my tomatoe plants, the other day.  They are in a raised bed, filled with the compost.  Today and atleast yesterday, I noticed a white mycelium, growing on this top dressing.  This is also the raised bed, that I dumped the apple wood sawdust jars.  These jars each had a syringe of what I believe is white morel spores.  I think that this may be morel myc, it's growing just like morel myc.

I was planning on planting a case, of what I have started last week, in this raised bed.  They could mix, seems there isn't enough or high quality identification of morels.  It would have to be a DNA analysis to be sure what morels are which.

I hope this stuff spreads like wild fire.  There was more rot in the burn pile.  I believe the rot was due to a heavy rain.  Thus, I applied more peroxide solution.  There is a lot of birdseed in the burn pile.  Suppose I could build a fire and hope for the best, or wait for sclerotia and then burn?


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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The small bright white specks, at the top of the substrate.  I think this is contaimination, but will wait to see what it does. 

I have formulated a new substrate mix.  It's based more off of the morel tek.  Seems they go over 100% in their formula, so I rewrote it for 100%.  I cut a little sawdust to make room for the soybean meal and rice husks/hulls.  Found a place online that sells both, at a good price.  They also accept money orders.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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The first pics are from the raised bed.  Never saw mycelium growing on the top dressing, before adding those throw away sawdust jars.

Last two pics are of the burn pile.  Second to last is the birdseed/compost master spawn.  No sclerotia visable when digging through.

Last pic is of the dump that rotted, heavy rains came and rot ensude.  There was myc growing, but the damn rains came.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I talked via email to the lady that is the head of the mycology department at Penn State.  She said 833 yellow morel should be good for me.  It's the original culture, the one used for an indoor operation.  I thought an unusual and not very tasty morel culture was used for the indoor.  But I got that information from shoomery, so who knows where they got that tid bit.

I have a new mixture planned.  I think the final jars should colonize a little better with rice hulls and soybean meal.  I will not use birdseed in the final jars, only the masterspawn jars.  Atleast I know I can do a masterspawn, it works well.

Not much else to report today.  The two cases are colonizing a little bit better, the hope for these is sclerotium forming.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Four jars have the bright white speckled contaimination.  In one of the jars the the white speckled contaim, is growing more but it's still small.  I think this is what was on the apple wood chips.  I do not plan on using the chips anymore, just the sawdust. 

The jars that had coffee added are growing better, but still growing less than expected.  I believe a rice hulls and soybean meal addition should get better growth.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Found 5 jars total with the bright white speckled contaim.  There is no way I am going to use the chips in 16 cases.  I am looking forward to a knew sclerotia substrate and getting a new culture.  The mix with liquid coffee is growing much better, but I found 1 or 2 jars of that with the contaim.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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No more apple wood chips, never again.  Going to get the rice hulls and soybean meal., sometime.  I have to get new lids too, made them all for lc injections.  Not sure when to start communicating with penn state again.  I don't want the cultures to late or to early, seems 3 months can be good....but I might take a month to pc 16 cases.  I think the outgrow culture sucks, no sclerotia what so ever.  Not  so sure it's due to the light leaks, seems they should still form some slclerotia anyhow.  The outgrow culture is rizomorphic but no sclerotia.  I guess that is what a $25 culture will preform as.  I think I might get two dishes of culture from penn state.  Better double up on it and do 7 jars.  I could do 8 with those but it's another pc run.  Trying to keep things chill, not sure what to do with that last wedge, maybe just make three bigger ones....lol.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I am concerned about temps.  The tech says 68f - 71f is ideal.  Temps are usually 74f.  Even in the basement it's 74, it's not an underground basement.  I am also thinking about getting a gorilla grow tent, for a light proof area for the jars.  I  could grow sclerotia in the winter, and plant in the spring.  I suppose I will have to water wherever these are planted, anyways.

It's difficult to have the ideal conditions.  I did read where spores are sold, that morels colonize between 70f  and 80f, but the tech says much lower....although they use these temps to grow sclerotia at all phases other than on agar.

i live in a house built in the 50's.  It's brick but it does not have central air or heat.  I only have an air conditionar in the bedroom window.  I am having a hard time bringing myself to having a 5 x 5 gorilla tent up there........which I could surely have the ideal temp, but I like it much colder when I sleep.

Perhaps I can put a new window in the basement, for another ac unit.  It would cost more to operate that........it's a bitch right now, arrr!!!


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Been thinking about a better setup for a better culture.  I am saving for a gorilla grow tent, 5 x 5.  With a vortex s-line 8 inch fan, these are new and supposed to be more quiet.  There is a window in the basement that I will try to get updated/replaced.  Put a window a/c in there and keep the basement at 68f.  There will be an increased power bill, but I do hope to justify the costs.  It shouldn't be that much more expensive, verses hurting the culture/sclerotia jars.  I do also require one more bread rack, these are difficult to find locally, as they do sell out often. 

Still planning on getting to 16 cases, but things need upgraded to make that a worthwhile effort.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I do enjoy that you continue to post your progress, failures, thoughts and activities. 

It's very handy for others who might be interested in future cultivation attempts and can hopefully learn from your failures.

Does the mycelium on agar race as a barely invisible first process, then consolidate, then turn orange and crispy, then get dotted with 'micro sclerotia' and then darken more?


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: NSF]
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I have yet to run any petri dishes.  I have only used outgrows yellow morel culture, and I doubt it's what they say.  I never saw any sclerotia, just sem-dried sections of myc that turned yellowish.  I dumped all the jars just now.  The myc ridden jars had a mild fishy fungus smell.  The jar that when I opened during innoc, it had a smell more mild yet similiar to a bad jar of homemade tomatoe juice.

I will learn a lot more when I get 2 petri dishes from penn state.  Those should be the real deal, if I don't get sclerotia out of those then I am surely doing something wrong. At least outgrows culture was cheap and good practice.  I am also thinking about trying to sell some selfed spores from the pennstate culture if things get that far.  The penn state culture is said to be the original and used for indoor morel cultivation on a commercial scale.

I may have to increase my pc time to 1.5 hours.  I may also buy a new pressure cooker, I have also thought about a sterilzer.  Do sterlizers have a digital read out of the desired temp or pressure and remain there?  And do sterilizers require water for the inside of the machine such as pressure cookers?  My best guess is that a sterilzer would be more secure and require less attention, I think I would still be watching.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I  won't be posting much.  I plan on getting the penn state culture in may/june of 2014.  I am saving for a gorrila grow tent 5x5 a vortex fan for g/e and another bread rack. I also can't forget to order enough rice hulls and soybean meal.  Have to get all new jar lids and I should have enough sawdust (45 pounds remaining).  I have enough birdseed for the master spawns and will require more compost for the sclerotia jars....more sand too!

I am going to try real hard on staying finacially focused, so I can do this by the required date.  Sucks to pc but that's the way it's gotta be done.  Doing a case a day, which takes many hours, takes 16 days to do.  That is okay as my start date for planting is sept 21st, we usually don't get freezing temps well into mid October.

I could colonize jars in the winter months, but I want to put a LED light into the tent.....in the event that funky plants are legal.......medical or legal recreation. 

Gotta plan for hopes and dreams!!!

I could try strait sawdust spawn, but I first want to plant sclerotium/spawn as that should be interesting and valuable.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy - Just wanted to add to the voices above urging you to continue updating. I have been reading this thread on and off since last spring. Can't wait to see your updates in late winter/early spring.

I am trying myself with two syringes I received in a trade - one black morel and one yellow. I just nocced up some hardwood sawdust + plant matter + wood ash with the black culture. Good luck.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: leschampignons]
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leschampignons, good luck with your innoc.  I hope the trade is good to you.  I do believe the cultures online are trash.  I think spores could be good, but I hope tohave good luck with a university culture.  I can't find any yellow morel spores online.  Just white morel spores and I do worry about peoples indentification and what names they give to what.  Private trade is probably a good option. one I have not persude.

If morels form sclerotia on agar, I don't think the cultures sold online are legit, cause they would have sclerotium.  Sclerotium would cause issues with an lc.  It would beinteresting to have different spore prints of morels from different points on the map.  I do wonder how much variation exists, as morels are not a very well studied topic.  There seems to be little authority on identification, a lot of what I read contradicts.  Morels appear to be mostly privately studied, since there is not a major morel industry worth studying ( attempts at buisnesses growing morels and wild harvests is it).  Seemsthe experts keep a lot about morels secret, due to their value.  There isn't much on growing truffles out there either.  I hope to make morel cuiltivation more common, and simpler if it can be.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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There seems to be little authority on identification, a lot of what I read contradicts.


Yeah I have read that North America is the epicenter for diversity of Morchella species. Just so many different kinds that seem like they thrive in completely different environments. Read a paper yesterday that the burn morels (in this case M. Tormentosa) has a tube like structure different from that of any other morel species.

However I think there are some similarities that can be exploited as well between the species of this genus:

In another paper they describe forming partial or complete ectomycorrhizal relationships between multiple species of pine,spruce, and other trees. I can post some links if you want.

Elata and Esculenta complexes both seemed to make these connections.

Other papers say they saw ectomycorrhizal relationships between certain species sunflowers and/or other plants

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I am planning on making some spawn if I can get this culture up and running and planting a bunch of different young trees and plants in some dirt/morel spawn mix. Then waiting to see what comes of it. Perhaps then i'll burn the plants to simulate forest fire, or just cut em to kill them and see how the morels respond.

This website sells elm trees inoculated with morels. I figure many have seen this before:http://www.morelfarms.com/


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: leschampignons]
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Yes, I have read what's online about some morels having relationships with the roots of certain tree's.  This is the same for porcini as well.  I have 2 apple tree's and one's roots are already colonized by a bright yellow mushroom, has a cap that can be as large as 2 - 2.5 inches.  I am also curious about using biochar as spawn.  It's about $50 for a 25 pound bag, much cheeper and specific to make my own....by I have yet to talk myself into doing that, or my family.

I think the best thing is for people to post what they learn, about growing morels online.

I saw a pic once, oline, showing a white morel that had black pits with bright white ridges.  I would love to have some genetics from that exact type of fruit.  Seems some whites online look like yellows and are sold as esculenta when their deliciosa........maybe I'm wrong in my identification, but I need a good id book that is absolutely certain on id's.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I have been looking in the dump pile.  Haven't seen much but some small white myc on small chunk of wood.  Not sure what it is, too hard to tell.  The funky smells are not there, just a normal musky smell of earth.  I doubt myc from morels is easy to spot in nature.  I never went digging around in a morel growing area to spot myc or sclerotia nuggets. 

The dump is very wet but no rot.  The new substrate should be a lot better.  Going to follow the tek a lot more accurately.  Guess I was just playing around with cheaper culture to figure something out.

I will be surprised to see if anything pops up in the spring.  Can't be sure what I got from og.


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