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Vow of Celibacy
    #18884829 - 09/24/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If one has no sexual desire then such a vow has no meaning nor does it carry any weight. It would be like me eschewing something for which I have no appetite such as whiskey. Big deal.

If one does have sexual desire, what is the point of going against your very nature? It seems ridiculous.

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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18886873 - 09/24/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In my opinion it comes from the socially abject who were typically made shamans in the annals of history, they couldn't get any and didn't want anyone else to so they started pretending they were better than everyone else through their social failures. "god likes sober/celibate people more than everyone else, because they "dedicate" themselves to him"

These socially abject people who were given some form of power used their position to masticate everyone else in anyway possible (much like stereotypical corrupt police).

That's just my opinion, and normally I don't put much weight behind my own speculation but my observations of human nature lead me to lean pretty heavily on this hypothesis. One example are some autistic people I know, three in particular each of whom behave exactly according to this idea - they are socially completely inept and bend their perception of life to put themselves on top and everyone else below to cope with it. Their weaknesses become strengths in their autistic minds, and the strength of others weaknesses, never mind any concrete evidence to their inadequacies.


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18886954 - 09/24/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Although that's possible, it's also possible to recognise the degree to which something as powerful as sexual pleasure can enslave you to your own detriment.


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: viktor]
    #18887177 - 09/24/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have taken an unspoken vow of celibacy...
I wonder the hell my sexual desire went :shakefist:


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: viktor]
    #18887304 - 09/24/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Although that's possible, it's also possible to recognise the degree to which something as powerful as sexual pleasure can enslave you to your own detriment.




Does one extreme justify the other? If someone cannot discipline themselves in regards to sex, going to the unnatural extreme and denying themselves the act altogether is: healthy or unhealthy?

"Enslaved" by sex? I hope that is referring to the likes of Ted Bundy and not average sexual desire, in the latter case there is no reason to believe it in excess. Our natural sexual drive is necessary for the survival of the species, while an abstract and fabricated concept of moral-discipline in regard to sex isn't.


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18887476 - 09/25/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The species will survive just fine with advances in science and technology.  Someday sex may be obsolete in that regards.
No extreme is justified imo.


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: cez]
    #18887558 - 09/25/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The species will survive just fine with advances in science and technology.  Someday sex may be obsolete in that regards.
No extreme is justified imo.




Celibacy has been around for a long time, and science / technology don't change our physiology to the point of making sex unimportant to the mental health of an individual. The survival of the species is likely what's behind the sexual drive, but its the mental health of the individual in question

I wouldn't say anyone has to justify their sexual practices unless they cross lines of consent, which has certainly happened with various religious models of sex being forced on the public to the point of capital punishment.


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18887803 - 09/25/13 03:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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viktor said:
Although that's possible, it's also possible to recognise the degree to which something as powerful as sexual pleasure can enslave you to your own detriment.




Does one extreme justify the other? If someone cannot discipline themselves in regards to sex, going to the unnatural extreme and denying themselves the act altogether is: healthy or unhealthy?

"Enslaved" by sex? I hope that is referring to the likes of Ted Bundy and not average sexual desire, in the latter case there is no reason to believe it in excess. Our natural sexual drive is necessary for the survival of the species, while an abstract and fabricated concept of moral-discipline in regard to sex isn't.




The other extreme is probably unhealthy, as extremes tend to be.

I consider it similar to fasting for a while. Sometimes it's nice to cultivate maximum appreciation of something that feels so good.

I'm not convinced that morality has anything to do with it, that sounds like more of a Christian thing. I don't think there's anything immoral about consenting sex between adults, but that doesn't change that there's power in you controlling your cock rather than the other way around.


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18887955 - 09/25/13 06:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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In my opinion it comes from the socially abject who were typically made shamans in the annals of history, they couldn't get any and didn't want anyone else to so they started pretending they were better than everyone else through their social failures. "god likes sober/celibate people more than everyone else, because they "dedicate" themselves to him"

These socially abject people who were given some form of power used their position to masticate everyone else in anyway possible (much like stereotypical corrupt police).

That's just my opinion, and normally I don't put much weight behind my own speculation but my observations of human nature lead me to lean pretty heavily on this hypothesis. One example are some autistic people I know, three in particular each of whom behave exactly according to this idea - they are socially completely inept and bend their perception of life to put themselves on top and everyone else below to cope with it. Their weaknesses become strengths in their autistic minds, and the strength of others weaknesses, never mind any concrete evidence to their inadequacies.




I have often thought the same and it's likely imo that you are correct at lest to some degree.


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: Icelander]
    #18888057 - 09/25/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The sour grapes phenomenon is everywhere. I knew a guy at uni who was an avowed celibate up until the moment this girl hit on him, then he was straight in.


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: viktor]
    #18888182 - 09/25/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't have actual sexual intercourse till I was 22 due to medical reasons, I could have sorted my physical issue out when I was 15/16 and had a few girls wanting to have sex with me during the years before 22. Sure was horny from time to time but my sexual desire has never been ordinary IMO.

I never understood the whole thing about staring or even looking at girls asses, but it got me eventually, the indoctrination. Now I am trying to get out of it.


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18888243 - 09/25/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"Once your in you can't get out"  -old drinking chant


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: Icelander]
    #18888816 - 09/25/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Especially if her vag has backward facing teeth. :whoa:


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #18888915 - 09/25/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd heard you  dated strange women.  :feelingfeisty:


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: viktor]
    #18889558 - 09/25/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not convinced that morality has anything to do with it, that sounds like more of a Christian thing. I don't think there's anything immoral about consenting sex between adults,

but that doesn't change that there's power in you controlling your cock rather than the other way around.




You don't think sexual morality applies to hindus, buddhists, muslims and jews? I think they would all disagree

I don't think that very many people are 'controlled by their cock', it seems to me most men are controlled by their emotions. Getting married, having kids, never thinking twice about it until they're wrapped up in it. Sex is a big part of if but I think the emotional need for a partner is bigger. A sex drive without emotions wouldn't produce relationships


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #18889571 - 09/25/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

While I think you have a point I'm not in total agreement.  Men often get into relationships because the women won't put out without one.  If you took sex out of the equation completely I think male/female relationships would be rather rare.  I do think men are basically controlled by their cock.


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Re: Vow of Celibacy [Re: Icelander]
    #18889603 - 09/25/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I look at it as a mix of the two, but with most of it being emotional.



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