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Discipline
    #2285946 - 01/30/04 02:13 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I've been working on trying to be more disciplined lately.  I became an undisciplined fuck when my marriage ended.  I let things go to hell. 

It is so hard to be disciplined.  Aren't we naturally predisposed to laziness?  Or is it just me? 

Last week, for a few days, I was really disciplined and did all the things I wanted to do, to be organized and have things run smoothly in my life.

Then, after a few days, I went right back to doing things the way I have been doing them for the last year or so. 

You know what I've been doing to be more disciplined?  I've been adopting my guru's persona into my head.  He is very black and white, very organized, very disciplined.  He was an undisciplined fuck about 20 years ago, and didn't like the way he saw his life, so he picked himself up by the scruff and forced himself to be disciplined.  He said he would "yell" at himself to stop being lazy and to be disciplined in his life.  He is pretty successful today. 

So when I don't want to do something that I know I should do, I think of him looking at me severely and telling me I'm lazy, and then I make myself do what I didn't want to do. 

How many of y'all are undisciplined?  :grin:

And what do you do to counteract it?  :oogle:


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Re: Discipline [Re: Frog]
    #2286401 - 01/30/04 08:14 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'm very undisciplined. It takes ages for me to get any work done at all. Last couple of years, I've been two months behind on everything. With all that pressure to get something done, I usually end up doing nothing. It's not so much being lazy as not knowing where to start :smile:

The times I actually get something done, is when I forget the pressure from all those other tasks I were supposed to do.


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Re: Discipline [Re: Frog]
    #2286506 - 01/30/04 09:34 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Your guru sounds like me.

I used to be one disgustingly un-disciplined fuck.

I made the decision to be more self-disciplined.

SELF, is the key-word here.

What other logical decision would there be to make? I just realized how much I was hating myself for being so lazy and such an unproductive human being.
How could I go wrong with a sure bet to change, for the better good?

So I did.  Plain and simple. -snaps fingers- Just like that.

But heres what really did it for me..one of the things that REALLY helped me was the realization that sacrifices are the key to success. I am a very strong believer in that if you don't suffer you won't get ahead in life.

I realized that if I make sacrifices, I WILL get rewarded for it, more than one way or another, on so many levels.
Everyday, I make sacrifices...
I want to play video games all damn day long...
I want to eat ice cream and watch tv all damn day long..
I want have sex all damn day long and not do a damn thing...
I want fuck around on the internet all damn day long...
I want to party and do drugs and get fucked up all damn day long..
There are TONS of things I want to do, all damn day long...

But I don't. It's all about making sacrifices.

For example, I used to always be late and tardy for work, which was really my only downfall when it comes to jobs in the past. Other than that, I was always one of the best most honest workers. But regardless it was still a very job-threatening and not to mention financially-threatening behavior that I "Tried" really hard to shake off...

But I never realized that I was 'trying' the wrong way.
The solution was so simple, that I just overlooked it.
Solution? I get my ass in bed every day, EARLY. 5:30 to 6:00 pm.
And I wake up EARLY with ease. No problems at all.
I sacrifice watching my tv shows that always kept me up late at night.
I sacrifice spending time on the net, engaging in fun debates and whatnot..

And what do I get in return? Success.
I'm more successful in completing my goals.
I'm more successful in maintaining my professional work-ethics.
I'm more successful in achieving that which makes me happier not only short-term but more importantly....long-term.
All of the above which fuels my self-disciplinary energy and pride and self-respect even further and thus creating a harmonic cycle of happiness and so forth...

So, to me, the secret is making sacrifices. That's what It really comes down to. :wink:


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Re: Discipline [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2286600 - 01/30/04 10:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Discipline is a hard discipline. It takes a lot of discipline.

Without some sort of immediacy or real interest to motivate, things just don?t get done. IMO there are two sources of motivation.

The first source is you. If you have goals or aspirations then you have the motivation for discipline.

The second source is life. People may call this God?s hand, but whatever you call it there is nothing like tragedy, near tragedy or creation to show you how precious time is.

Speaking as someone who can be a huge slacker I know it?s easier said then done.

Like SkorpivoMusterion said discipline equals sacrifice. Its all about what your willing to give up for the things you want.


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Re: Discipline [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2286753 - 01/30/04 12:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Well, Skorpivo, you sound like my guru!  So is that the only way you do it, is to tell yourself that you want to be successful, so you keep that in mind when you do all the things you do and avoid all the things that would interfere? 

See, I know I want to be successful, but I will still stay up late and fuck around on the internet. 

Muhurgle:  You sound like a fuckin' ADDer.  :wink:

What you wrote, Stipe, added to Skorpivo's thoughts on the matter.  Have a goal, and then engage in behaviors that will help you to be successful.

But look, just for arguments sake, you guys, let's say now I know I shouldn't stay up late on the internet, and I know I should not play pool on a week night, and I know I should do the work that needs to be done and not wait until the last minute. 

How do you make yourself do or not do those things that are undisciplined behaviors?  As I said, I adopted my guru's voice and mind-set and talk to myself like he would.  (He's not mean, but he can be very "disappointed".  He hates laziness.)


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Re: Discipline [Re: Frog]
    #2286806 - 01/30/04 12:38 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

So is that the only way you do it, is to tell yourself that you want to be successful, so you keep that in mind when you do all the things you do and avoid all the things that would interfere?

Well, that's the first step, and that's the will and the drive to do it. The realization that you MUST change, otherwise, you will lead a very unhappy life, and so on. If that isn't a deterrent to laziness, amongst other things, I don't what is.

The second part is imho, the most important part...knowing what to do.
Knowing what the TOOLS are.
Sacrifices.



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Re: Discipline [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2286827 - 01/30/04 12:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, I'm going to give an example of what I'm trying to get from you.  (and no, it's not your wallet)

I'm fucking around on the forum when I should be taking a shower and leaving to do a "task" before I meet a client at 11:00.  I could do the task after lunch, so I could continue to fuck around. 

However, if I do it after lunch, then the complaint I was planning on writing will probably have to be done over the weekend, because I have to pick my sister up from the airport at 4:00 p.m.

The complaint should really be done today because I'm leaving for Texas on Tuesday and won't be back until the following Tuesday.  But it could wait. 

So see?  I don't really have to do it today, but I should.  I'm like Muhurgle, generally.  (I'm a fuckin' ADDer, too.  :wink:  I will blow things off until the last minute, although I know that's not a good way to do things.

If you were me, what would you do at this very instant?  You certainly wouldn't run through the whole shpiel (<--sp?) about wanting to be successful each time you wanted to do something that was undisciplined, would you?  Which is why I use my guru to yell at me, although I think I have him on "ignore" right now...


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Re: Discipline [Re: Frog]
    #2286866 - 01/30/04 01:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

You may be overlooking the simplicity of the problem here, which is understandable of course--due to the simplicity.

You have to deal with these issues on a case-by-case basis.

In that case, I would recognize what's the one core issue that is keeping you from accomplishing what you need to do: Fucking around on this forum.

I would recognize that this indulgement into fucking around on this forum is becoming detrimental as it intereferes with the continuity and harmony of my life due to the fact that I'm not accomplishing what I NEED to accomplish, be it in a timely manner or at all. Therefore, I would recognize that I must sacrifice this pleasure of fucking around on this forum, which is causing trouble in my life, and then I would be able to set my mind to do what I have to do.

It's really just that simple. Also, it's worth mentioning, that it's harder for you to be disciplined when you don't really get any pleasure out of what you are doing and/or the pain resulting from not doing it, isn't unbearable to the point that you actually do something about it. Some people have to hit rock-bottom, so to speak.



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Re: Discipline [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2286874 - 01/30/04 01:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

*runs shreaking from the forum*

You are my guru! 

:grin:


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Re: Discipline [Re: Frog]
    #2286887 - 01/30/04 01:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't wanna go and party
I don't wanna shoot the pier
I don't wanna take the doggie out for a walk
I don't wanna look at naked chicks and drink beer
I don't wanna do a bong load and go and wrench on the car
I don't wanna go and hose the dogshit down
Cause i aint even gonna get out of bed
Keep on skankin' ronnie skank the night away
But the time has come for us all to pay
I don't wanna watch no porno
I don't wanna play guitar
I don't wanna spank the monkey
I don't wanna go down to the corner bar
Aint even got to listen to all the stupid shit you got to say
I don't wanna do a god damn thing
I aint gonna make my bed today
I don't wanna eat burritos or read about o.j.
Aint gonna get a head rush cause i aint gettin out of bed today


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Re: Discipline [Re: Frog]
    #2286902 - 01/30/04 01:28 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Frog said:
*runs shreaking from the forum*





See? There ya go! That wasn't too hard now, was it? Now you can go do your task! :grin:



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Re: Discipline [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2287638 - 01/30/04 06:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I just had to tell you that I read some of what you wrote, above, to my guru.  I asked him who he thought it sounded like, and he agreed before I even told him that you sounded like him, or vice versa.  Good thoughts and good points, but you still didn't answer my bottom-line question.  May be my fault.  Maybe I'm not asking it right.

Do you know Freud?  :grin:

I'm pretty sure it was Freud who said there were three parts to our personalities, such as the ego, super-ego and the Id.  In one of these parts, I don't remember which, are the voices of either our mother or father or both, that we take over when we leave home and play in our heads. 

Instead of hearing my mother saying "Go brush your teeth", verbally, I hear her in my head, when really I just want to go to bed and not hassle with brushing my teeth. 

My mother doesn't do it for me any more, really.  My guru is much meaner.  So when I'm doing something that I know I shouldn't be doing, or when I'm not doing something I should be doing, I play his voice, telling me to get to work, or get off the internet.

Maybe you are at a stage where you don't need a voice to tell you what to do, when you're doing the wrong thing.  Maybe it all comes naturally to you now, so that it's become habit.  I've got to get the habit back, but in the meantime, someone needs to yell at me to get off the internet.  Might as well be my guru's voice.  It's a nice, mean voice when it's pissed.  :oogle:


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Re: Discipline [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2287644 - 01/30/04 06:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I love those lyrics, DoctorJ. Fuck even just fucking around. Don't even get out of bed. LOL!


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Re: Discipline [Re: Frog]
    #2287683 - 01/30/04 07:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

You just need to get sent to boot-camp for 6 months and have 'em Drill Seargents straighten you out.  :grin:



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Re: Discipline [Re: Frog]
    #2287731 - 01/30/04 07:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Frog said:
I've got to get the habit back, but in the meantime, someone needs to yell at me to get off the internet.




Better edit that to read "someone other than Renegade" 'cause you know damn well I tell you all the time.  I even wake up to piss & tell you to go to bed...but nobody ever listens to me.  :crying:

BTW - I'm just giving you shit 'cause I'm bored & want to leave work.  I already know nobody listens to me...ever...not just you.  I've gotten used to it by now, so it's kinda amusing to see posts like this - makes me laugh at my own futility or something.  :cool:

Hell if I know...is it 5:00 yet?


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Re: Discipline [Re: Renegade8]
    #2287748 - 01/30/04 07:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It was 4:20 minutes ago....


I bet you look like this :stoned:

:wink:



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