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Re: Sexual Atraction to Animals.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
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SCleROTiUM_LICK said:
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So what you are saying is deep down inside we SHOULD, logically, feel attracted to our closest relative species because evolution has kind of depended upon this trans-genic interaction. (Not.)



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Yes, that is the idea I am proposing - thru questioning....


Well, again... speciation doesn't happen in one generation. New species aren't created by the mating of one species with another and getting a third. Hybrids can happen, but by and large this hasn't been the way of nature. SO, this transgenic interaction simply isn't what you've hyped it up to be. If you could go through the lineages, it would be impossible to tell with what individual creature a species began. One philosopher said it would be like trying to define the moment that a celebrity- let's say Tina Turner- became "a star". You could memorialize a particularly great performance, or a television appearance, the release of a certain song, or her earliest decision to go into music, but you can't exactly "roll tape" on THE moment!


Why are you trying to put "instinct" at the center of evolution? Various survival instincts in varieous species have evolved in various habitats based on the nature of various actual threats, but these instincts didn't guide evolution and doesn't reside at its center.

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Well, evolution is NOT guided by a higher force so things that may look logically obvious to a would-be evolutionary director, don't have to be the case.



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How do you prove this statement....?


Oh gee... let me try:
God isn't needed for the evolutionary process.
A superfluous entity is nobody's God.
Therefore, God is not involved in the evolutionary process.

And remember:
Survival of the fittest doesn't mean survival of "the best" or "the most loved" "most endorsed" or "the most meaningful". Survival of the fittest means survival of the creature best adapted to the circumstances at hand, whatever they be. Life doesn't evolve purposefully towards a goal, it just evolves.
Thru change, mutation, and the elimination of the old.


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Re: Sexual Atraction to Animals.... [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
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This thread didn't go in the direction I was expecting it to. :frown: I figured it would be more about zoophiles, people who are sexually attracted to animals.

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Re: Sexual Atraction to Animals.... [Re: Kinematics]
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Who can deny that llamas are hot?


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Re: Sexual Atraction to Animals.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Who can deny that llamas are hot?


Based on their native environment, I would venture to guess that llamas are actually quite cold at certain times of the year.


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Re: Sexual Atraction to Animals.... [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Who can deny that llamas are hot?


Based on their native environment, I would venture to guess that llamas are actually quite cold at certain times of the year.


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Re: Sexual Atraction to Animals.... [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Who can deny that llamas are hot?


Based on their native environment, I would venture to guess that llamas are actually quite cold at certain times of the year.


As are the females of any species.


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Re: Sexual Atraction to Animals.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I think that this argument is irrelevant because apes are only our closest relatives that aren't extinct. I would be more interested to see if people were commonly attracted to cloned hominids. The real question is whether one can easily get off to a neanderthal or perhaps even homo habilis, but I think that apes are too distant to be sexually gratifying.


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Re: Sexual Attraction to Animals.... [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
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SCleROTiUM_LICK said:
SO, this transgenic interaction simply isn't what you've hyped it up to be.


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:smirk:    OK, let me at least "hype" it up a bit - up in this joint, so you can be right....
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There, it should live up to it "hype" now....    :smirk:  :lol:
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SCleROTiUM_LICK said:
One philosopher said it would be like trying to define the moment that a celebrity- let's say Tina Turner- became "a star".  You could memorialize a particularly great performance, or a television appearance, the release of a certain song, or her earliest decision to go into music, but you can't exactly "roll tape" on THE moment!


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This may not be a good line of thinking.... 
In my opinion, Tina Turner was a star all of her life.... 
She just didn't get recognized as being "famous" until part way thru her life (thru all of the thick and thin)....    :wink:  :thumbup:
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SCleROTiUM_LICK said:
Why are you trying to put "instinct" at the center of evolution?  Various survival instincts in varieous species have evolved in various habitats based on the nature of various actual threats, but these instincts didn't guide evolution and doesn't reside at its center.


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Basic instincts are what drive attraction.....!   
It is part of the fundamental genetic programming to reproduce the species,
which goes in hand with picking the best "match" in passing on your bloodline thru to future generations.... 
Lots of chemicals/hormones/bio-chemicals/electricity reactions go -
on in your brain/body that strongly effect your choice in a mate....   
You can FORCE an attraction based on mental aspects (choice/free will),
but the very moment you meet someone you know right off if you are instinctually attracted to the other person,
or not, or somewhere in between - THRU INSTINCTS....    :smile:
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And remember:
Survival of the fittest doesn't mean survival of "the best" or "the most loved" "most endorsed" or "the most meaningful".  Survival of the fittest means survival of the creature best adapted to the circumstances at hand, whatever they be.  Life doesn't evolve purposefully towards a goal, it just evolves.
Thru change, mutation, and the elimination of the old.


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The stronger most symmetrical male animals in nature are what drive females to choose a suitable mate for procreating....
Thus, survival of the fittest....    :shrug:
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I think that this argument is irrelevant because apes are only our closest relatives that aren't extinct.


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This is what I am saying tho~, apes ARE the closest species that are still living among us.... 
The fact that they ARE further down the Darwinian chain link *should* show that there still *might* -
be just a shadow of remnant "instinctual attraction" still left deeply buried within,
and subsequently conquered with free will and self-mental re-programing.... 
Call them ghosts in the machine, but **IF** we evolved from apes, that programming is still in there....    :ohwell:
I would think, logically, the closer you are in species, the higher the "instinctual attraction"....
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Otherwise, I can see this as a flaw in the theory of evolution....  :thumbup:
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Re: Sexual Attraction to Animals.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
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I want to know more about human/Vulcan and human/Klingon relationships.


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Re: Sexual Attraction to Animals.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Some of the Vulcan ladies are attractive.....    :naughty:  :shrug: 

           


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Re: Sexual Attraction to Animals.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
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This is what I am saying tho~, apes ARE the closest species that are still living among us....
The fact that they ARE further down the Darwinian chain link *should* show that there still *might* -
be just a shadow of remnant "instinctual attraction" still left deeply buried within,
and subsequently conquered with free will and self-mental re-programing....
Call them ghosts in the machine, but **IF** we evolved from apes, that programming is still in there....
I would think, logically, the closer you are in species, the higher the "instinctual attraction"....
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Otherwise, I can see this as a flaw in the theory of evolution....


You think abot evolution MUCH two hierarchically. Apes aren't "down" any "chain". They are better adapted to their environments than we are probably adapted to ours- tho we are better suited to our enviroment than they would be. And evolution didn't "culminate" with us. Nor will we all be shocked when we see it "culminating" with some creature smarter/faster/stronger than ourselves.

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The stronger most symmetrical male animals in nature are what drive females to choose a suitable mate for procreating....
Thus, survival of the fittest....


The sexual drive EVOLVED. Even before there was sex there was asexual reproduction. SO, you are not making an argument about evolution AT ALL. You are making an argument about human sexuality. Trees evolve too. What do you think they look for in a mate?

Unfortunately for your argument, we're all human here, and NOBODY is coming forward to talk about their genuine interest in monkeys or any other non-human creature, even you.


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Re: Sexual Attraction to Animals.... [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
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I think there are plenty of people who are attracted to animals, apes, blowdriers, etc.. but it probably has less to do with evolution and more about genetic makeup, childhood, and social conditioning.

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Re: Sexual Attraction to Animals.... [Re: Kinematics]
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Kinematics said:
I think there are plenty of people who are attracted to animals, apes, blowdriers, etc.. but it probably has less to do with evolution and more about genetic makeup, childhood, and social conditioning.


Alfred Kinsey wrote about this in Sexual Behavior of the Human Male (Chapter 22) and found that bestiality correlates most with living in a rural area. Also, 8% (I read this quoted somewhere else. Google books didn't provide chapter 22 of SBHM) of men living in rural areas reported sexual experiences with animals. I find 8% to be staggering; it's likely that somebody reading this has had sex with an animal if that statistic is actually correct and still valid today.

I suspect that bestiality is more of a sexual outlet than it is a fetish, or else the number city-dwellers having sex with animals would be closer to the number of rural people who do. That is my theory, at least.


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