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Blind fool
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Relatives to Lib caps?

#18838220 - 09/13/13 06:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So the season seems to have started here in the southern Sweden. Now this is only my second year I started picking Libs (last year: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16954756/page/3)
This time I went to a new place, a pasture where cows, sheep and horses are running around.

These I am sure are lib caps. Found in the grass (no poo around), and all have a nice blue/greenish bruising on the legs.

However I also found these, growing from horse manure (same area as the libs above).

I picked some with me home (various locations, not only from the above pic). Now the problem I have is, the ones you can see on the right have a slightly pointy heads, some have a light greenish tone on the lower parts of the heads. The ones on the left are pretty much round, no bluing what so ever. The funny thing is, they all have a pellicle. And they all have these similar texture characteristics as the libs I found.

Here are some close shots of ones on the right side

And here are some gills shots of the ones with the round heads.

The spore prints are in progress, will post them when ready.
Anyone up to the challenge to identify these?

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: Blind fool]
#18838232 - 09/13/13 07:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Stropharia semiglobata.

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MrMagicMushroom
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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: Blind fool]
#18838243 - 09/13/13 07:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The second species looks like pannaeolus antilarum. But i could be wrong

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Blind fool
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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: elprawn]
#18838250 - 09/13/13 07:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

elprawn said:

Stropharia semiglobata.

That was quick. :smile:

:smile:

All of them, or just the ones on the left side?

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: elprawn]
#18838265 - 09/13/13 07:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

elprawn said:

Stropharia semiglobata.

:thumbup:

Protostropharia semiglobata

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#18838335 - 09/13/13 07:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

maynardjameskeenan said:

elprawn said:

Stropharia semiglobata.

Protostropharia semiglobata

all of the last ones.

AWESOME LIBS Blind fool, you are one of the first ones to find them this year, congrats!
:congrats:

:congrats:

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: Joust]
#18838390 - 09/13/13 07:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks. I think someone in the north part of Sweden already found some.

Interesting that all of the other ones are not libs even the ones with the small spike on the top. The good thing is that I did not hesitated about the libs, but had this uncertain feeling about the other specimens. They just did not fully match to the profile of the libs as I am used to.

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Joie

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: Blind fool]
#18840062 - 09/14/13 04:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Only the first shot is Libs. The Protostropharia semiglobata with a nipple are var. stercorea.

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hungrygoldfish

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: Joust]
#18840924 - 09/14/13 12:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Joust said:

maynardjameskeenan said:

elprawn said:

Stropharia semiglobata.

Protostropharia semiglobata

all of the last ones.

AWESOME LIBS Blind fool, you are one of the first ones to find them this year, congrats!

I think that you mean that he is the first person to post them this year???

~~Stropharia semiglobata var. stercoraria~~

Joie said:

Only the first shot is Libs. The Protostropharia semiglobata with a nipple are var. stercorea.

The name keeps on changing from my books :smile:

:smile:

...In Lib fields every where :smile:

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: hungrygoldfish]
#18841053 - 09/14/13 12:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ah but hg unlike me u spelt it correctly.

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Blind fool
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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: Joie]
#18841102 - 09/14/13 01:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you very much for the extra information about the pointy Protostropharia semiglobata. It is always nice to learn something new. :thumbup:

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: Blind fool]
#18841608 - 09/14/13 04:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Blind fool said:

Thanks. I think someone in the north part of Sweden already found some.

you wouldn't have a link to that thread? (:

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: TripperLing]
#18841745 - 09/14/13 05:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I do not really know how far up he lives in the country, but I presume these are one of the first libs posted on here from Sweden.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18763551#18763551

Then there is this thread showing early finds in Norway. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18629668/fpart/1/vc/1

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: Blind fool]
#18841849 - 09/14/13 06:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

thanks!

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: TripperLing]
#18843300 - 09/15/13 03:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Nice find Blind fool. Thats a very large flush of semiglobatas.

I found the first liberty cap a month ago (Aug 16:th) and I'm located in the south west.

I didn't know there was a var. stercorea, thanks for the info Joie.

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Blind fool
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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: knarkkorven]
#18843553 - 09/15/13 07:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Today I revisited the same location, and I can say that the season have definitively started (south east). Today I got totally 59 lib caps. Just as I returned home it started raining, so it will be interesting to go back in couple of days. Sorry for the unexciting pictures, last time after one shot of the flush, the battery died. This time I forgot the camera completely.

I also found these, what are they? Both ware growing in the grass. Spore prints in progress.

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Re: Relatives to Lib caps?

[Re: Blind fool]
#18843699 - 09/15/13 08:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Cortinarius for the one with a meaty stem and Inocybe for the one with the fibrous cap.

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