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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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:lol: i've never grown morels so i cant say if its normal or not but at least it doesnt smell sweet or sour which would indicate bacteria.

maybe these morels know they're destined to become human food.

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: deadmandave]
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Starting to smell a fungi smell, with spicy traits.  Maybe it's that these are mushrooms i am not familiar with.  So far no bacteria or contaminates of any sort, which tests the filers....A+ for pellon!


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Opened the first two master spawn jars.  These were the strait uncooked/but pressure cooked, rye grass seed jars.  I noticed a fruity ethanol smell, mostly towards the poorly colonized bottoms.  Dumped these in an old burn pile, as this will be my dump for anything that isn't moldy or laced with bacteria. 

It smelled like a nice fruity beer, but very mild.  I'm don't know a lot about yeast or brewing processes.  But, the birdseed/compost is looking like the best bet, so far.  Will get to smell that jar when I am through clonizing the 2 test cases. 

Goal for next spring is to get some prints from this culture.  I get those and I will be happy, and I will feel much more confident about getting dishes from the university.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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There is one week left until it has been a full month.  I believe the birdseed/compost jar is the winner.The bottom of this jar should be thickly colonized when this final week is through.  On the 30th and 31st, I will pc the sclerotia substrate jars, one case a day.  These will be simple tests, to test the ability to form sclerotium, fruiting capabilities, and the possibility of spore prints being taken.  I must get temps down to 65, when these final sclerotia jars are colonized.  I hope this is easier than I think, as 65 is a difficult temp to maintain in a house.  Sclerotia forming is paramount, no sclerotium, no morel.


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Edited by Morel Guy (07/23/13 11:34 AM)

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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just want to add you shouldn't stop contributing to the forum with your morel thread, i'm also following it! and i'm sure many others


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: forrest]
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Thanks Forest.  I do hope to have sucesses, it all depends on the level of yeild, if any at all.  If yeild is low, I will focus on selling prints with or without pre-labs on ebay.  Not really sure how things will go, to soon to tell.  But it's good to attempt variety, as I have learned the most from doing just that.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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All the jar, yellow morel masterspawn birdseed/compost


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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It has myc everywhere, but I hope by July 30th it's full enough to use as a masterspawn.  It only takes a small amount from the top, to colonize the final sclerotia jar.  Since two test cases are the plan, a lot of masterspawn is slated to be dumped, in an old burn pile.

Goals continue as follows:

Test sclerotia forming abilities of substrate
See if anything survives the bitterly cold winter and fruits in the spring
Get prints from any lucky fruity tooty mushrooms, for genetic preservation.

Even if the last two goals fail, it seems worthy to get some dishes from penn state.  I do suspect that I will see some fruits, if I do form more than one sclerotium.

Oh ya, I still smell this sharp pepper mushroom smell.  It's very unique.  I am also planning on visiting the morels at the local stroe next spring.  A little bit of biz intel.


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Edited by Morel Guy (07/24/13 04:24 PM)

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Going to soak the birdseed and sawdust tomarrow, for one case.  Then soak another case worth on monday, for a pc on weds.  I will boil and simmer the sawdust, to help absorb water and help cleanse.  The only contaimination, that I have witnessed so far, was with an uncooked sawdust jar.

I am excited for this phase, it should be the most interesing.  A lot depends on this going well, and forming sclerotia.  I hope to start planting these jars on Sept 21st.  We have the perfect average temps starting on this day.

I hope to learn more about what causes sclerotia to form mycelium or to fruit.  There is very little information on this.  It seems in my best understanding, that sclerotia can do both.  I have yet to see whether fruits grow directly from sclerotia, or from myc growing from sclerotia.

There is much to observe and learn, I hope to contribute something worthy.

Thanks for reading


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I have the sawdust, wood chips and birdseed soaking now.  These will be for the case pc'd on tuesday.  I have a couple of concerns.  First, I noticed some white mycelium on the woodchips.  They were not large and should be dead in the pc.  I am mostly concerned about enzymes left behind, these could become an issue, hopefully not.  I am also going to estimate how much coffee to use in hydrating the compost and sand.  It will be atleast 24 tbs.  That guess is simply based on the 2tbs per jar used in the 1/5th compost, 4/5ths birdseed jars.  There will be more compost and the addition of sand.  The birdseed and wood will have had a 48 hour soak and a boil 'n simmer.  So, the wood and birdseed should be at their moisture limit.  When I hydrated the compost for the masterspawn, it was enough that the texture clumped a little bit.  I have had no issues with this level of moisture, as the masterspawn colonized very well.  I will have more than enough masterspawn.  The strait birdseed never colonized more than half way.  I will smell for ethanol when I dump it outside.  I do suspect ethanol has been produced, as this appears to be typical of that.  I have no idea why the yeast is surviving at the bottom of the jars.  Yeast does not appear to be an issue, with the compost containing jars, this is good.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I was ust looking into buying biochar.  I would like to make it, but I would need a spot.  I think it only takes a hole in the ground.  Start a fire and cover with dirt, then leave a pipe sticking out? I suppose any wood could work, it seems morels grow on all sorts of substrates.  They do prefer certain woods decomposing, but it may not matter as much when it's burned.

Got some thinking to do.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: B_BOY]
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Hi, im new to morel growing.

I have a jar of M.esculenta grain growing,the myc isnt strong or anything nor does it look like regular myc.Its just strands that are growing including sclerotias that are getting bigger and bigger. I made a jar with some manure and after it was colonized i added grain but the grain never colonized like most mushrooms do.

Would a fuel pellet mycobag be good for morels ?

The recipe i use for shittakes goes like this :

1 cup  bran
7 cups fuel pellets
7-8 cups water
30 ml gypsum


Thanks!

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: sofievergais22]
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Hello sofievergais22!  I suppose it depends on what the fuel pellets are made of.  What type of wood, what additives, such as a binder.  There are oak pellets, sold at a myco store online.  Those are compressed oak sawdust.  These would be good, in my opinion, for black morels.  I hope to give those a try some day.  Beech is almost impossible to find online, so I wonder how birch would work for white morels.

I will be giving more serious thought, to making a biochar kiln.  I think it would be interesting, to see how biochar, made from specific woods, would affect the morel production.  It would be expensive, unless I can go out and get tree's from people, that they don't want.  It's a concern finding finding apple wood, that has not been sprayed.  Mushrooms absorb these toxins, very much. 

That is why it's not good to eat morels from a non-organic apple orchard.


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Edited by Morel Guy (07/29/13 10:44 AM)

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Hi Morel Guy ,i totally forgot to mention my fuel pellets are hardwood.
I dont know which type of wood it is,i never checked but it works very well with shittakes so far.From what they told me,there is no additives in the fuel pellets(i contacted the company making them).

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: sofievergais22]
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I would be interested in what type of wood.  Morels are very picky, with what woods per what morel. 

I cleaned the case of jars, that will be used tomarrow. I must pc twice, since I can only fit 7 jars at a time.  I put two empty jars, without tops, in with the last 5.  Everything is soaking nicely.  All the sawdust has sunk to the bottom.  The wood chips are floating, perhaps cooking them will cause them to sink.  I always skim off what birdseed floats.  I did not want to skim any floaters, with the wood, due to costs.

I am not sure how I will pc and inoculate 16 cases, next year.  That will be a lot of work.  32 pc cycles, just to do the sclerotia jars.  If I do go ahead and order from Penn state (culture), I will try to get 4 masterspawn jars for each culture dish. 

Temps are barely enough.  Temp is about 70 F, I prefer 75 F for growing morel myc.  The target after 4 weeks, is 65F, for growing sclerotia.  I have until Sept. 21st to get sclerotium.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Im gonna have to contact the company to ask em what type of wood they use,since it doesnt say on the bag.

what the purpose of growing the morel sclerotia ?

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: sofievergais22]
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sclerotia is one of the early stages of fruiting bodies, i do believe.

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: deadmandave]
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op I just spent the last hour reading this thread. it's fucking epic!! thank you for recording your projects and I got a lot of information from your posts. great job and keep it up:rockon::thumbup:


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: the mad machinest]
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Thanks Mad Machinist.

I do believe sclerotia can grow either sclerotia or more myc.  It seems to be one or the other, in my readings. 

I have the last 5 jars, of the first case, in the pc.  I didn't add coffee or any fluids to todays substrate.  It appeared to have enough in the mix.  I could just form clumps in my hands.  This will be a test.  I think I will add liquid coffee to the next batch, tomarrow or the next day.

I am not a fan of cooking non-food items.  Using the pc or cooking birdseed is a chore.  I didn't boil n simmer the sawdust.  It seemed that it was just extra labor.

The first 7 jars are cooling, they look good enough.  There is moisture on the walls of the jars, the insides.  Some wood looks soaked and cooked, others look a tad dryer.  All wood is darker than when in a cool water bath, aka soaking.  There was a little moisture already in the sand and compost.  I was more worried about it being too wet, than not enough.  I belive now, that it's just wet enough, it could go more but not more than 10% less.  Could be iffy, perhaps not.


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