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the angel and the devil
    #1820201 - 08/16/03 05:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i dunno why i'm posting this it just felt like i needed to.

when i was little i used to watch cartoons where one of the characters was depicted as having an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other, whispering opposing ideas into his ears. i used to think it was silly back then, but now that is exactly how i feel sometimes. it's the perfect way to depict it.

i almost feel schizophrenic, or like i have mpd at times, but only slightly. it's like there are two parts of my brain telling me to do two different things sometimes, and the conflicting ideas leave me confused as to which is the right choice. maybe what "the devil" is saying really isn't that bad. always listening to the angel can make life a bit boring sometimes. (not that boring is necessarily bad).

okay that's all, thanks.


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1820218 - 08/16/03 05:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i know what you mean

i think everybody has felt that way one time or another

we have the power to do lots of good and lots of harm


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1820225 - 08/16/03 05:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I sit on the devil's shoulder whispering bad things into his ear


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1820266 - 08/16/03 05:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Have you ever wondered if they are one and the same?  :rolleyes:


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: Adamist]
    #1820273 - 08/16/03 05:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

yeah.


I think if we follow ones words though we will help ourselfs and each other

but if we follow the other ones we will just suffer alot til we decide that its not very much fun


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: Adamist]
    #1820280 - 08/16/03 05:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I had an amazing experience with those archetypes on my 7 tab LSD trip. Only it was like I had reached such a state of oneness that I seen what the hindus were talking about when they described the duality of nature (devil and angel) and how they work together to create oneness and joy. Without pain there would not be pleasure. The bad is just the opposite side of the coin responsable for good. Seeing this how it actually was ripped me from my desires and attatchments.


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1820363 - 08/16/03 06:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"I will give you those things that you thought unreal
The sun, the stars, the moon all bear my seal"
- Black Sabbath, NIB

The one on my right promises me the ability to see things with two clear eyes and a clear eye, the Truth behind the illusion, the power to be Everything..

The one on my left tells me that I am worthless, that I am ugly, that I will never get anywher and will never amount to anything at all.. and when it feels threatened, it tells me that I must not venture out of this little, secure cage...

Now, you tell me, who do I listen to?
Peace.



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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1820752 - 08/16/03 08:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

listen to the lyricz;
"Put on an iron shirt! and chase the devil out of earth!"

earth_druid:
"I had an amazing experience with those archetypes on my 7 tab LSD trip. Only it was like I had reached such a state of oneness that I seen what the hindus were talking about when they described the duality of nature (devil and nature) and how they work together to create oneness and joy. Without pain there would not be pleasure. The bad is just the opposite side of the coin responsable for good. Seeing this how it actually was ripped me from my desires and attatchments. "

thats profound


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: Rastafari]
    #1820814 - 08/16/03 08:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

in the begining god created hevean and earth and all that is good


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: titan_shroomer]
    #1820828 - 08/16/03 08:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

BURN THE HOUSE DOWN

yes i agree burn the house down


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: titan_shroomer]
    #1820947 - 08/16/03 09:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ironically, I actually get somewhat of a conciousness split when I am tripping. This is what happens:

The lower self refers to itself as the "beast". The higher self comes off as a very mysterious yet wise beyond words type of "entity". The rational mind is the viewer between the two.

In another words, the other two "entities" besides my rational mind act like they are two completely different intelligences that are separate from me. They act independently of my conscious mind. However, I'm pretty sure they are just other parts of my mind manifesting through symbols and archetypes.

The "beast's" message is basicly : "FEED ME! SEX! DESTRUCTION! VIOLENCE! KILL EVERYONE!"

The "higher self's" message is: "Seek hidden knowledge and true mastery of inner self."

The beast's attitude is very dangerous. I've had plenty of brutal thoughts from that "intelligence." For me, it seems like these 3 "intelligences" are usually united during sober moments but they separate during trips and crucial/critical thinking.

Perhaps this "beast" intelligence has something to do with the cases where people have done violent acts such as murder, rape, etc. while tripping.

Therefore, I think the phrase that was mentioned has some bearing to it in a symbolic way. There's also the deal about "inner demons = inner problems". Yeah, well...I've had hordes of "demons" coming through my walls at one point while tripping. Note the quotes on "demons" (to be use as a symbol for inner problems).

It's probably one of the craziest trip stories ever. I haven't typed it out yet because it's going to be long as hell (no pun intended).


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: Darkcloud]
    #1821048 - 08/16/03 10:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I notice on extremely high states of awareness those archetypal images seem to merge into yourself and they aren't seperate. Both the higher self and the best you speak of are the same things but in different form. The Psychedelic Experience has a lot to say on these peaceful and wrathful deities, which in a state of oneness are not seem as peaceful or wrathful.


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1821147 - 08/16/03 10:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

There's a quote from Waking Life that I really dig in the part where the guy is watching television for the first time in the film..

There's this dude who pops up for a moment and says "I contemplate relationships of my various selves to one another"

Sounds like exactly what you're referring to.... the Bad Matt/Strumpling says "fuck that bitch man!" but the Good Matt/Strumpling says "nah we'd better get some condoms first."


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: Darkcloud]
    #1821818 - 08/17/03 03:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

However, I'm pretty sure they are just other parts of my mind manifesting through symbols and archetypes.

The "beast's" message is basicly : "FEED ME! SEX! DESTRUCTION! VIOLENCE! KILL EVERYONE!"

The "higher self's" message is: "Seek hidden knowledge and true mastery of inner self."



I call these things spirits, and when I look closely they split into a menagerie of more specialized spirits. They are present in my brain even when I'm not tripping, but they seem to be much more integrated then.


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1821936 - 08/17/03 04:41 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I call these things spirits, and when I look closely they split into a menagerie of more specialized spirits. They are present in my brain even when I'm not tripping, but they seem to be much more integrated then.



That's odd - it's the kinda the opposite for me...I started seeing them as many long before there was ever just two. You see - I always used to think that every person was a sort of conglomoration of a whole bunch of different 'personalities' ...for lack of a better term (though I shudder to use this term seeing as it tends to imeadiately bring to mind the mulitple personalities of some schitzophrenic whack job) But the more and more I became familiar with each of my own, the more and more they seemed to be little less then vague facsimilies of eachother...as if there were actually only a couple of em, both of which had this nasty habbit of masquerading around in different forms in order to give the illusion that there were many more of 'them'

About half of the many I saw (er...experienced?) seemed to portray the proverbial 'angel' we've all been programmed to think of as 'good' (at least in attitude, and type of advice given, and what have you...not always in appearance) and, as expected, the other half tended to lean more towards the dark side, so to speak. Eventually the masks came off and the different 'personalities' started sorta fusing together into the whole angel/devil personafications we've all become familiar with (or at least heard of anyway) and they've pretty much stayed like that ever since.



And of course (like the idiot I am) instead of simply 'rolling with it' so to speak, I accepted that this was the way things should be and I started accepting them for what they were (or rather, what I *thought* they were) and began treating the two of them the way I always felt two such entities should be dealt with - by hearing what they had to say and either accepting or rejecting their advice...while simutaneously doing the exact opposite for the other (e.g. if one said "yes" and the other said "no" I'd basically just choose a side...and herein lies the problem) I didn't always imeadiately side with 'good' (as many a cartoon has taught us to do) nor did I imeadiately side with the 'bad' either (as many an instict has taught us to do) I instead thought about both options being brought to my attention and I chose to side with whichever of the two seemed most reasonably...but I always chose one or the other - I never once even considered the possibility that there just might have been some sort of option availible that wasn't being represented by either side. In essence, it really didn't matter which side I was on...I was allowing my life to be lived for me either way. And now because of it I have two very different sides of me who each have an immensly inflated ego, and a third newer side of me that typically just sits back and lets the other two duke it whilst he sips his cofee and ponders about what the hell they other two are even fighting over in the first place.

You would *not* want to peer into my mind, I guarentee you that - it's not pretty.


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #1821964 - 08/17/03 04:58 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"You would *not* want to peer into my mind, I guarentee you that - it's not pretty."

sure it is! :laugh:


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: Strumpling]
    #1822166 - 08/17/03 07:49 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

yeah i think i had an angel in my head somewhere, He got into this huge arguement wit the little devil once while i was really stoned though, i heard a gunshot and thats the last i ever heard of him. Oh well.


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Re: the angel and the devil [Re: Spokesman]
    #1822842 - 08/17/03 03:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

rofl that's funny man :smile:


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