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Was Diogenes the original Western troll? * 1
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Diogenes of Sinope seems like a very early version of an internet troll to me in every way shape and form. All of his actions seem to have been made with the sole intent of annoying, critizing, or getting a ruse out of people. Rather than simply rejecting Athenian life he decided to live smack dab in the middle of everything in an amphora mocking everyone and generally being an ass.

Case in point is his conversation with Alexander The Great:
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[...]Alexander then declared, "If I were not Alexander, then I should wish to be Diogenes.", to which Diogenes replied "If I were not Diogenes, I should also wish to be Diogenes."

Huge ego? Check!
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He used to stroll about in full daylight with a lamp; when asked what he was doing, he would answer, "I am just looking for an honest man." Diogenes looked for a human being but reputedly found nothing but rascals and scoundrels.

I think this needs no explanation.
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When Plato gave Socrates' definition of man as "featherless bipeds" and was much praised for the definition, Diogenes plucked a chicken and brought it into Plato's Academy, saying, "Behold! I've brought you a man."

Likewise.

And finally:
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Diogenes is said to have eaten in the marketplace [apparently one of the most offensive things you could do in Athenian culture], urinated on some people who insulted him, defecated in the theatre, masturbated in public, and pointed at people with his middle finger.

From Life of Diogenes: "Someone took him [Diogenes] into a magnificent house and warned him not to spit, whereupon, having cleared his throat, he spat into the man's face, being unable, he said, to find a meaner receptacle."



Seems to me that really he is just the ancient version of an internet troll though without the internet he decided to just reside in the center of Athenian life and interact with everyone which was the closest offline social parallel to the internet/message boards.

Are there earlier more apparent trolls in history excluding mythology which is full of pranksters in every culture?


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Re: Was Diogenes the original troll? [Re: naum]
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:shrug:

Diogenes sounds like a brilliant person to me.
That bit about the chicken was golden.


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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: naum]
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I'm getting a boner reading that. :datass:


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"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and forget his own." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"A room without books is like a body without a soul."  - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it." -Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: dustinthewind13]
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You get a boner reading the Sears Catalog.


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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: naum]
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But no, in response to your question, I haven't heard of many historical figures who would be as trollish as Diogenes.
Plenty of batshit insane ones, but those are a dime-a-dozen.


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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: something super extreme]
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Sounds like my new hero!


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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: naum] * 1
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You got me red handed.


and still looking.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: Icelander]
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I'm an honest man! :awesomenod:


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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
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:curbyourenthusiasm:

Good one.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: Icelander]
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There's also another one where Alexander the Great offered him anything in the land he wanted, to which Diogenes replied "You're standing in my sunshine". :trollhide:


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Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth, and taste...

:haha:

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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: naum]
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He seemed like quite the interesting character.


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You are not special :haha:

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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: naum]
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Hmmm, other philosophers who belong to a school of Cynics (besides a certain member here, who also prefers dogs to people [and with which I concur]), this comes to mind:

We are the other people
We are the other people
You're the other people too
Found a way to get to you...
Do you think that I'm crazy?
Out of my mind?
Do you think that I creep in the night
And sleep in a phone booth?

Lemme take a minute & tell you my plan
Lemme take a minute & tell who I am
If it doesn't show
Think you better know
I'm another person.
Do you think that my pants are too tight
Do you think that I'm creepy?

Lemme take a minute & tell you my plan
Lemme take a minute & tell who I am
If it doesn't show
Think you better know, I'm another person.

Lemme take a minute just to say I don't care
Shut your fucking mouth about the length of my hair
How would you survive, if you were alive,
Shitty little person.

We are the other people
We are the other people
You're the other people too
Found a way to get to you
We are the other people
We are the other people
You're the other people too
Found a way to get to you

Do you think that I love you...
Stupid & blind?
Do you think that I dream through the
Night, of holding you near me?

Lemme take a minute & tell you my plan
Lemme take a minute & tell who I am
If it doesn't show
Think you better know
I'm another person.


FRANK ZAPPA - 'MOTHER PEOPLE'





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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

Edited by MarkostheGnostic (03/15/13 06:27 PM)

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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: Icelander] * 1
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Icelander said:
You got me red handed.


and still looking.


The renter of m'Lady's inherited apartment, gave me a candle lamp for Christmas (probably a regift) that somewhat resembles The Hermit's. I'm not gonna bother walking around Miami with it though. The only honest man I've seen down here lives in my mirror. Well, I seem to be MORE honest than anyone else I've seen here at any rate. :frown: What a simple discipline to practice: Do not lie. And yet, if my ex-wife, my employers, co-workers, 'superiors,' doctors, dentists, cops, service providers of every type, acquaintances, my brother, adolescents, and even a childhood friend aren't lying to me, they're lying to themselves while going about their self-destructive lives. We're all headed to destruction, but in the process, give me honesty so that I can become more honest myself, and attain to Clarity, like a mythic Scientologist's 'Clear,' or better yet, a Buddhist Vajrasattva.       

:psychsplit:


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Frank:heart:  Just got my 50th FZ cd.  What a genius that dood was.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Frank:heart:  Just got my 50th FZ cd.  What a genius that dood was.


I only went to the Fillmore East twice, and it was to see The Mothers of Invention both times. I also caught a couple of Schaeffer Music Festivals for free in NYC's Central Park sometime during the summers of '68 and '70.


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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I've got a cd of live at the Fillmore. Maybe you were there?:thumbup: I saw him in Allendale Michigan and actually got back stage and said Hi to him.  College daze.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I've got a cd of live at the Fillmore. Maybe you were there?:thumbup: I saw him in Allendale Michigan and actually got back stage and said Hi to him.  College daze.


Maybe I should dig out the two Fillmore Fliers I have in my memorabilia, photo-copy them and send them to you. Leaving for the airport shortly to put m'Lady on a flight to Atlanta and thence to Johannesburg, then Cape Town South Africa for 2.5 weeks. I'll have to look for those fliers, I know I still have them. One show had a band called Insect Trust as a warm up.


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Re: Was Diogenes the original Western troll? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Nice.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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