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struggling with spirituality
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im trying to get in touch with my spirituality. i am turned off by Christianity and the holy trinity. so i am currently reading the Tanakh which is the hebrew bible or basically the old testament i dont know the difference. i have read it before as well as the Qur'an and bhagavad gita, but i have lost my spirituality in every sense and im struggling to get it back. i always loved to read religious text but since my attention span is basically nill at the moment i have decided to read atleast one Psalm a day and after i will move onto the Proverbs.

i have a hard time believing in a god and when i hear words like "the Lord" i tend to just shut down and not want to go any further. but i see religious people and i want what they have which i lack, faith. theres a great big hole in my heart and i am having trouble filling that void. i want to believe but i dont know if i can. i feel so doomed when it comes to faith


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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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A near death experience brought it on for me. I don't know if that can be duplicated.

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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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I mean, I don't know if a near death experience would revitalize your spirituality.

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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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welcome back to S&M ellen :smile:


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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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I notice your emotional status says drunk.

Step #1 get off all drugs


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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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Honestly it seems likely that what is killing your spirituality the most is wanting to hang on to it. Sometimes things need to have the freedom to die so something new can take place.


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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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if you have a hard time believing in a God, perhaps Buddhism might fill your spiritual aspirations as it's such a spiritually rich tradition (imo) without the inclusion of a creator deity. Buddhism emphasizes the relative qualities of love and compassion which can totally enrich and flood your heart while also diving deep into the wisdom which liberates one from all suffering. best of luck with your spiritual pursuit, may it be of infinite benefit to you :smile:

if you're interested in checking out Buddhism, then i'd suggest finding a local Buddhist centre to visit, i'm sure you'll be welcomed with much love :sun:


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Edited by deff (02/16/13 04:32 PM)

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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty] * 4
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Hello Vishnu



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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: g00ru]
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:rofl:


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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Kickle] * 2
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Reconnecting with spirit doesn't necessarally have to come from a religion. You can find God (or whatever name you choose to call our divine creator) on the way to the gas station. It can come from anywhere and in all forms, we just need to be aware of the signs that are placed there for us.

My best advice is to start releasing all doubt of not getting back in touch with spirit. Try and live completely in the moment. Don't dwell on the past and don't worry about the future.

Try and let your inner voice guide you. Other's may offer you advice or even tell you what to do but if it doesn't feel right to you then I can almost guarentee that it isn't. We all find truth in our own ways, something that helped another person might not work for you.

Try and do what you feel like doing in the moment. It could be something as simple as going online, watching a movie, shopping, walking the dog, ANYTHING really! (obviously without intentionally hurting another, lol) Trust that inner feeling. It is what is going to guide you to find what you need to reconnect with spirit. I understand we all have responsibilities and whatnot but even through those we can find things we need, just try and pay attention.

Don't worry, you will find your way, just be patient! That was and still is the hardest thing for me. :-)


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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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Well you could try starting to meditate. It would help increase your attention span I think and bring other benefits. Nothing more spiritual than meditating afaik


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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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ellenallien said:
im trying to get in touch with my spirituality. i am turned off by Christianity and the holy trinity. so i am currently reading the Tanakh which is the hebrew bible or basically the old testament i dont know the difference. i have read it before as well as the Qur'an and bhagavad gita, but i have lost my spirituality in every sense and im struggling to get it back. i always loved to read religious text but since my attention span is basically nill at the moment i have decided to read atleast one Psalm a day and after i will move onto the Proverbs.

i have a hard time believing in a god and when i hear words like "the Lord" i tend to just shut down and not want to go any further. but i see religious people and i want what they have which i lack, faith. theres a great big hole in my heart and i am having trouble filling that void. i want to believe but i dont know if i can. i feel so doomed when it comes to faith


its quite a common thing, even for a few years after having lots of spiritual realizations for some reason i still didn't like the word 'God', it was a turn off, although i've come to be totally comfortable with it now, so it is possible to get over these little things, its just one little syllable at the end of the day, an evolved monkey making a sound with his vocal chords!

but the turbulence a little concept can evoke in you can be something worth paying attention to, like why do you not like the word 'the lord'? perhaps because it evokes a kindof stale narrow christianised vision of reality, or perhaps because you don't like the idea of giving yourself up/surrender, maybe a bit of both...

i don't think its a bad thing that we can lack faith because it shows a yearning for your own genuine discovery, you don't just want to take someonelses word for it, you want to see yourself, we don't want to believe anything blindly, we want to at least see before believing/trusting, sometimes we need knowledge before faith, vice versa

i think what your doing is good, reading little bits, rather than filling your head with lots of stuff, the smallest little thing can be the gateway to the biggest discovery you will ever make, often the greatest spiritual texts have been condensed into one sentence or less, like the bhagavad gita & all the vedas condensed into the statement 'tat tvam asi' (thou art that)

ultimately finding the truth, or reality, what some people call 'god' is just finding yourself, so the best thing you can do is be comfortable with yourself, be comfortable with 'the big hole in your heart', this is true spirituality as you are spirit so being comfortable with yourself is opening up to your own spiritual nature, so no theology, philosophy, book, guru, or community can do this for you, sure they can help, but none can do it for you, you alone have to bear your own presence, which is ultimately infinite

if anything the only faith you need, is the faith that you can be fully comfortable with yourself


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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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A retreat focusing on prayer and fasting would probably do the trick, but the responsibility is going to be yours as in how much you want to keep fasting. For someone who isn't versed in psychoactives a more entertaining approach might have something to do with entheogens.

Entertainment being the key I think our own willingness to discover will lead us down the path that suits us.

Edited by Buster_Brown (02/17/13 11:19 AM)

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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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ellenallien said:
...but i see religious people and i want what they have which i lack, faith. theres a great big hole in my heart and i am having trouble filling that void. i want to believe but i dont know if i can. i feel so doomed when it comes to faith


How do you understand "faith"?  How do you define it?

What do you think it is that others have and that you're lacking?

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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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You could try to see the beauty in life, nature, all of the universe. Something earth centered or humanist. That's what I do anyway. I too hate the term "lord" and can not accept the idea of God, but I go to a Unitarian Universalist church which supports my personal spirituality.

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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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First step I would recommend is cutting off religion, meditate and use your head.



Almond Flour said:
I notice your emotional status says drunk.

Step #1 get off all drugs


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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Repertoire89]
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it's actually a really really tough question to answer.

what you have to understand is that you cannot say for certain when you will have a moment of clarity, or a spiritual experience, or a blissful experience or whatever.

drugs make us feel like we can control it but even still we really can't, it's still up to the universe.

so the best thing to do is just try to be your highest self that you can imagine, whatever that means for you.

and of course the basics like meditation, self inquiry, and reading spiritual literature :wink:


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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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Talk to it.

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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty] * 1
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Religious people use a foreign belief system created by another to serve as a template for the experience of faith.

You can get faith and eventually a sense of simple knowing-ness without it, and in a much more embodied sense.

Spirituality is such a vague term but struggling is unnecessary for the pursuit of a spiritual life. Spend more time alone to find your pace in life. Try to be conscious enough to derive pleasure from as many things as you can, for example, the way your clothes keep you warm and cozy, the texture of your table, the vividness and beauty of colors, the magnificence of nature, the taste of ANYTHING especially things that may appear mundane, they can have incredibly complex and pleasureful tastes if you slow your pace down to appreciate it. Live for intrinsic reasons, not extrinsic. Take a breathe and appreciate what it comes from and what it brings.

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Re: struggling with spirituality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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contemplate everything you've ever been taught about god and flush it out of your mind... Then ask yourself "who am i?" "what am i?" "what is this world and what is my relationship to it?" but you have to be honest and sincere, cry if you have too. ask questions from your heart. contemplate love and possible reasons for existence. ask GOD to show you something, anything. use logic and reason just as much as love and compassion.
    God exists inside you, you just gotta find it. and i sure hope you do!! :smile:


    Or you can take a large dose of LSD alone with the intentions of expanding your mind and being spiritually reborn. But i dont recommend that... thats like a last resort kinda thing :wink:

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