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    #5762790 - 06/18/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

are we all spiritually equal??? including the rapists, muderers, and all other societies nasties out there?
what are your thoughts?


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: spudamore]
    #5762803 - 06/18/06 01:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

my thoughts are yes, for if it wasn't for these souls our own souls wouldn't have these drastic life lessons to learn about. so we are really spiritually evolving together as one. they are just playing the part,


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: spudamore]
    #5764525 - 06/18/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

We all have the same potential. What distincts us is the level of awareness that we are able to reach in order to know what we can really do.


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: spudamore]
    #5764545 - 06/18/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No, I don't think we're spiritually equal. But I think those who are spiritually advanced have an obligation to help the others get ahead with them. To simply thumb your nose at someone who you consider spiritually inferior is a sign that you are as low or lower than them.


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: Silversoul]
    #5765020 - 06/18/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

sure, we all need to help those less advanced than us.

but sometimes help comes in the form of a slap in the face. "Wake up, asshole! You're going to lose if you don't wake up!"

Tough love, man. Where is your Omega?


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5765059 - 06/18/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, I agree that sometimes cages need to be rattled. But one should be prudent in figuring out which ones to rattle and how to go about doing it. From your posts, I'd say you seem a little overzealous about it.


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: Silversoul]
    #5765084 - 06/18/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, I know.

but this shit people keep piling on my back has to go somewhere, now doesn't it? I flush most of it down the drain, but everynow and then, I find a piece and think 'this belongs somewhere.'

so then I try to find the owner and give it back to them.

'Hey remember this shit you dumped on my back? Well here ya go, man! Back to you again! Swallow down all that fire, asshole!


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5765086 - 06/18/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'll keep you in my prayers, my friend.


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: Silversoul]
    #5765096 - 06/18/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ditto. I pray for you and shroomism all the time. yall some good fellas


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: Silversoul]
    #5766449 - 06/19/06 01:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

why is it that we aren't spiritual equal in your perception?


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: spudamore]
    #5767361 - 06/19/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

We are all equal, its just that some are more equal than others  :smirk: :grin:


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: spudamore]
    #5767566 - 06/19/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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spudamore said:
why is it that we aren't spiritual equal in your perception?



Because some people are more spiritually advanced than others. We all have the same spiritual potential, but some people are more attuned to it than others.


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: Silversoul]
    #5768883 - 06/19/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What if those who say that they are more spiritually advanced than others are actually the ones who have the most growing to do?

IMO, comparing oneself to others on the spiritual level is egotistical and ridiculous.  How can we possibly know what "level" someone else's spirit has reached?  We can only guess at our own, by recalling how lost we have been prior to now.  But the amount of growth we have left to do can only been known in hindsight.

To say that someone else is "less evolved" or "less advanced" means that we are the judge and jury on what constitutes spiritual evolution and advancement.  Does anyone really know this for certain?  We may claim that we can measure someone's spirit by their actions, by their mannerisms, by their demeanor, but this (IMO) is still pure guesswork.

What if we just unplugged from the concept of comparison for a moment, and considered how we feel during our day-to-day routine.

Are we generally capable of handling what comes our way with peace and flexibility?

Are our relations with others mutually beneficial and amiable?

Are we fairly free of addictions and neurotic obsessions? 

Are we experiencing more awe, bliss, inspiration and joy, or more depression, apathy, cynicism and despair?

Just checking in with ourselves in this way on a regular basis has far more meaning for our spirituality than baseless comparisons to others.

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Re: spiritually equal [Re: Veritas]
    #5770326 - 06/19/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Veritas said:
How can we possibly know what "level" someone else's spirit has reached?



"By their fruits ye shall know them" -- Jesus

It's really not that different from figuring out who's a better athlete or a better singer. Even if it's true that we ultimately can only compare ourselves to where we were before, that in fact proves my point. If I can be more spiritually advanced now than I was a few years ago, that means I can also be more spiritually advanced than someone else, because someone else might be where I was in the past. A spiritually advanced person may or may not realize how they compare to others, but either way, he or she does not let it go to their head, as they know that if their ego gets in the way, it will set them back. It is certainly not spiritually advanced to consciously try to compare oneself, but that does not mean that one cannot take notice.


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: Silversoul]
    #5770685 - 06/19/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

exactly. bigotry isn't part of enlightenment.

but while we are wearing human skin and operating human minds, there will always be a comparison instinct.

the truth is, we are all the same soul, but we have all added different experiences to our dossiers.

some people just aren't as well-connected as others.


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5770775 - 06/20/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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the truth is, we are all the same soul, but we have all added different experiences to our dossiers.





exactly what i was trying to get at, that includes what we may perceive as bad in society too, such as murder, rape, genocide ect, ect even if its being done to us or ourselves are doing it, it something we have to experience in order for our souls evolution.


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: spudamore]
    #5771764 - 06/20/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i would say we all have the same potential but different people are manifestations of different paths and levels of spiritual development.


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: Silversoul]
    #5772788 - 06/20/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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It's really not that different from figuring out who's a better athlete or a better singer.




I believe that it is a great deal more complex than judging an external performance in a particular arena. Do we allow others a window into our soul by the manner in which we do the laundry? How about the way we drive our car?

What particular activity would you say reveals the depth and development of a spirit? Good works? How can you know that someone is performing kind deeds out of love and service, and not in an attempt to atone for other evil acts, or make themselves look holy, or to gain the trust of those they wish to manipulate?

I say we cannot truly know the spiritual level of another, regardless of the apparently saintly or satanic nature of their actions.

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Even if it's true that we ultimately can only compare ourselves to where we were before, that in fact proves my point. If I can be more spiritually advanced now than I was a few years ago, that means I can also be more spiritually advanced than someone else, because someone else might be where I was in the past.




As I said, we can really only guess at our own spiritual level. We may be fooled by the potent filter of our self-concept into believing ourselves to be better or worse than we truly are. The self-aggrandizing person will ignore their faults, and a self-degrading person their strengths. An honest examination of our day-to-day experiences may be more revealing than a self-assessment of our qualities.

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It is certainly not spiritually advanced to consciously try to compare oneself, but that does not mean that one cannot take notice.




This seems contradictory to me. How do you unconsciously notice your spiritual superiority to others? In what context would you take notice of the comparitive level of someone else's spirit, if not a conscious examination of such?


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: Veritas]
    #5772813 - 06/20/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It's really not as difficult as you're making it out to be. I can notice a spiritual person just like I can notice a greedy person, or a shallow person, or a cheerful person, or a shy person, or what have you. It's that one has to try to notice. It's hard not to notice.


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: spudamore]
    #5773160 - 06/20/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

are we all spiritually equal??? including the rapists, muderers, and all other societies nasties out there?
what are your thoughts?



Yes, all are equal in the sense that all are sinners, and all are worthy of just judgment and eternal damnation.

Ro 3:10-18
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Self-righteous lost religionists always think that they have some good over other men, or some good that commends them with God. But the Bible rips this to shreds.

Luke 13:1-5
There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Self-righteous religionists thought that the acts of the Galilaeans and were exceptionally ungodly, as well as those who the tower fell on. Jesus clarifies their standing, that they are no better, and unless they likewise repent they shall perish just as surely as those whom they cast the "ungodly" accusations against.


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    #5773228 - 06/20/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I say you can observe greedy, shallow, cheerful or shy behavior, none of which is the sum of the person enacting such.

You may see someone acting spiritual (though you still have not defined what this looks like), but this does not mean that you have taken the full measure of the condition of their spirit.

Ah, well, this is not the debate forum, so I'll leave it at that.  :sun:


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: Veritas]
    #5774954 - 06/21/06 12:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I know you'll probably consider this an egotistical statement, but I've always been good at reading people. I have a strong intuition about what makes someone tick. I think you tend to ignore the intuition factor in a lot of your assertions.


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    #5775829 - 06/21/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I rely on my intuition as one source of information, but do not believe that it is comprehensive enough to be my sole source of information. IMO, it is far too easy to be fooled by the filters of our perception.

It does seem that those who are deliberately pursuing a path of personal growth, who work to understand themselves and others, have a different energy about them. I prefer to spend time around such people, but this is just my personal bias. It seems unreasonable to take this bias and hold it up as a measure of spiritual advancement.

My point is that we don't have all the answers, so why judge others (or ourselves) based upon incomplete/potentially biased data? If there is no objective reason to believe that we are not spiritually equal, it makes sense to proceed as though we are.


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Re: spiritually equal [Re: Veritas]
    #5776245 - 06/21/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

although I consider myself an advanced spirit, I must humbly bow to those more advanced than myself: The Indian and Chinese mystics who live in the wilderness, and require very little from the physical plane. They barely eat, never have sex, do not require technology. These people have phenomenal power. They can travel to distant places using only their minds. They can phase themselves in and out of this physical dimension at will.

someday, I hope to have that kind of power, but I know that that kind of power is only granted to those who have the wisdom to use it properly. So I follow the trail of those greater than me, in hopes that I might gain the knowledge required to initiate myself into God's inner circle.


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    #5783286 - 06/23/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Isn't that the goal of humanity? Not to make ourselves equal in the world of perceptions, but to make ourselves equal in terms of how much respect we have for one another. People are like living mirrors - respect them FIRST and they're likely to respect you right back. It follows that if we treat them as spiritual equals, we're more likely to be treated that way as well. It just seems that today people don't want to be the first one to show respect since it's considered "weakness" in our competitive society.

Edit: This was to be in response to the first post, not the one before me.


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