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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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To clear things up, I think the only time I ever used LSD to get high was the first time I ever took it. After that experience it was only used when guidance was needed. When the Gods left me clueless it always helped me find a comfortable answer to the problems or situations I had encountered that have troubled me. It helped wash away demons which were embedded in my subconscienceness since youth, and it helped me correct certain parts in my thinking and way of doing things which have made me a better son, friend, father, and all around human being.
I never really understood the use of it just to get high, and I suppose if I did then I would understand the reason why it is being distributed the way it is now.


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People don't want other people to get high, because if you get high, you might see the falsity of the fabric of the society we live in.

-Ken Kesey

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Baby_Hitler said:
"open minded" is another phrase that is misused. There are alot of closed minded people who claim to be open minded.


very true.

to be truly open minded you have to leave you mind open to anything and everything while at the same time be willing to let those things take place of other things that are in there. You have to realize that noone knows anything for sure and noone can say if one is right or wrong. So be prepared to have every aspect of every beliefe you have ever had be shattered and replaced at all times. No matter how crazy something is you need to have an open mind towards that. Most people dont realize this.


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Work like you dont need the money.

Love like you never been hurt.

Dance like nobody is watching.

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Vulture]
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alot of it depends on the area. in my experience, shows in the west seem to be alot better scenewise. not as many lot rats just tryin to get a buck...or trying to sell you a dose of acid for ten bucks.


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I have logged in this once so that I can set the "last seen" feature up.  let the faggots flow forth into OTD and have it.  Its funny how they all grew nuts after I left.  I'm not here, I'm not reading, but I urge you all to keep melting down over me.  I know, I hurt alot of people, and they deserved it.  epic win for me, epic fail for you. 

ythan, you rock dude.  i feel that my time at the shroomery was very positive and enjoyable, but this site is no longer for me. im not mad or upset or disappointed, i just want no part in a pg rated faggot festival.
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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
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Quote:
HarveyWalbanger said: If you can think of a substance that has a better track record of absolutely CHANGING people's outview on life, and will to live, I'd like to hear it.


Any antidepressant currently on the market.

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: ]
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Morrowind said:
Consider LSD therapy and its results- people have managed to cure allergies and change themselves through mind expansion.


References for such claims?

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
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Phencyclidine said:
Quote:
HarveyWalbanger said: If you can think of a substance that has a better track record of absolutely CHANGING people's outview on life, and will to live, I'd like to hear it.


Any antidepressant currently on the market.


yea let the prozac revolution begin. as predicted on the movie return of the zombies

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Drummer]
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Drummer said:
After that experience it was only used when guidance was needed. When the Gods left me clueless it always helped me find a comfortable answer to the problems or situations I had encountered that have troubled me. It helped wash away demons which were embedded in my subconscienceness since youth, and it helped me correct certain parts in my thinking


Very well put


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:shocked: *Divine Moments of Truth* :shocked:


"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: buckwheat]
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mindcandy said: the movie return of the zombies



I could just as easily make the same implication using LSD, with one huge difference: I've never seen evidence that LSD is anywhere near being as effective at treating the symptoms of depression. Considering depression can be life threatening, that puts anti-depressants far ahead of LSD.

It's logical to believe that people could feel just as threatened (or moreso) by changes that LSD could produce than by anti-depressant drugs.

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
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Some antidepressants have nasty side effects and only work for as long as you take them. LSD has the ability to make permanent changes, both positive and negative in a person.

Also it can be good for migraines and cluster headaches.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
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HarveyWalbanger said:
If you can think of a substance that has a better track record of absolutely CHANGING people's outview on life, and will to live, I'd like to hear it.


While not a substance, try "thinking, learning, listening, and thoughtfulness.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Just say goodbye to cheap acid from now on, unless a new family steps up to the plate...

Dont blame the young kids rite away. Do you know how much a sheet of fractals goes for these days?! Well, $10?? Thats beat, a friend of a friend was selling 10 strips for $40-50 We're young :smile:


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: iloveraving]
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Please don't anybody lay any of this on chinacat

He knows wtf is going on by reading your messages;

He has stated it a thousand times; he has no business anymore with acid.

Retired from the scene.

Read all the posts at the Pub and Other Drugs Discussion; there are fractals out there this year. Most people just might need to go to more than one show before they find them though;

Keep on shroomin,
GGreatOne234

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: GGreatOne234]
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I completely give up on any kind of LSD scene. The Dead/Jamband scene is dying also. I have only seen one or two places this summer that are allowing travellers to sell goods so they can continue to travel with out harrassment. People are getting arrested for all kinds of shit, they are cracking down, although the music is so wonderful, it's just become another concert. I didn't feel this way at Bonnaroo but I started to notice it at Red Rocks. I could be jumping to conclusions here but I've just been overly optimistic for to long and lost any kind of faith. I tried to do my part but the only times I could of really gotten hooked up is when I had little or no money. I've seen to many really good people be burned now, I have really lost faith. The summer looked so hopefull at the beginning and I think I've lost all faith in getting anything turned around this way.

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Adom]
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I feel the same way as you Adom.  I'll keep going to these shows because I love the music but the scene has gone down the toilet.  It could get better but I have serious doubts.  The acid scene this summer was practically non-existant, which sucks because I had high hopes.  I bought a quarter sheet of white blotters in Joliet for $75 and it have any LSD on it.  :frown: 


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Goin' where the water tastes like wine.

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Drummer] * 1
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All I can say is sorry man.  In my threads I have tried to give you a glimpse of the family and how things worked. Of course this is a view from a decade ago when I was ringside. In all my threads I make it clear that I am long since retired from this buisness. This isn't just a paraniod plea to evade cops. Its the truth, or else I wouldn't be in the postion to be talking about these matters on the net. Its trully up to the younger generation. I hope that some of you take up the cause.

In other threads I have made it clear as has WR that the current behavior of the new management is not acceptable to family values.
It was believed to be in better hands. When I quit many years ago I had no doubts that this tradition would continue on as it had since before I was born. There are still decent people involved, but there's a whole new bunch of kids. Were it flows from here I don't know and have no control.

For those debating the "sacred "value of LSD. I'm not going to try and convince people of an experiance that they havn't had. There is no other drug in this world who for most of its history was sold by people not because of profit, but because they felt it could benifit all of life even though thry could lose there freedom for a long time.. To those of us who LSD(or other psychedelics) has completely changed for the better ,LSD is sacred. To those who who havn't its just another drug. But it is a drug that has created a whole sub-culture of people who embrace a different life. Not different like people who are sad then take prozac and feel happy, But different in that there whole belief,value and spiritual systems changes. We are scattered everywere. You can't throw a rock in Oregon or Nor. Cal. without hitting family.

If you want to know if LSD is sacred take 2000mcg. in the Redwood national forest(any will do, but the Redwoods rule). Then see what you view of LSD and its place in history is. :heartpump:

 


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Some rise
Some fall
Some climb
To get to Terrapin!!!

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: chinacat72]
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You should not have to continually apologize for the current situation man! You have made it clear time after time that you have nothing at all to do with anything going on for many many years now!



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The bus came by and I got on that's when it all began!


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Baby_Hitler said:
Some antidepressants have nasty side effects and only work for as long as you take them. LSD has the ability to make permanent changes, both positive and negative in a person.


Still, I don't think that what I said was false.  Wallbanger asked me what other substances had changed people's outlooks and will to live more than LSD.  I'm sure that antidepressants have probably saved more lives than LSD ever has.  I know that some antidepressants do have negative side effects, but so does LSD (IMO, with LSD it's all side effects anyway).  Just because Prozac doesn't make you see pretty colours and experience altered states of mind doesn't make it a lesser substance than LSD. 

In my view, hallucinations are an adverse side effect.  LSD is a medically useless chemical that makes you hallucinate.  That doesn't mean that it isn't great fun to trip your balls off on LSD.  :smirk: :thumbup:  I also happen to think that any other psychedelic drug has the same potential to be looked at as mystical as LSD.  I think some of you are taking the cultural history behind LSD and confusing it with some essential feature of LSD as a chemical.

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
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Oh, and please don't confuse my words here. I don't seriously think that LSD is "evil beyond satan" (I don't believe in Satan). I'm also not saying that LSD is not mystical. If you want to consider it mystical then I consider that outside the realm of what I can evaluate. I just see no evidence to suggest that LSD is really all that special. It's interesting at best.

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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
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Hallucinations are an adverse side affect, however LSD directly open's part's of the brain that people dont use to perceive reality differently. As long as they remember what they learned/saw on a trip it can be every much as useful aswell as much safer than antidepressants.

It's not the chemical that's changing your brain chemistry forever, its allowing you to see thing's from a different, more balance'd (in most cases) persepctive...and depending what your thinking about and just how you perceive it...it can be very important to positively changing perspective permanently and thus "saving lives" i guess.

However! "LSD is a medically useless chemical that makes you hallucinate."

That is so so wrong, if used in the right context, where certain thought's are essentially force'd on you, and a certain controlled setting is used...LSD can essentially force a changed more positive perspective on people. Do some reading about westminister hospital...or LSD in psychotherapy...i just cant believe such a statement would even be made.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: PDU]
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If people's brain chemistry are being changed due to the LSD experience then, though LSD may not directly alter the brain chemistry, some secondary messenger is affecting the brain chemistry. If you're assuming that everything that is psychological is also chemical in nature then a psychological experience has a chemical explanation. Thus, if people's brain chemistry are being changed by LSD experiences, then LSD must have something to do with it.

I've read a lot about LSD in psychotherapy. There simply isn't a known medical use for it in that it isn't reliably effective. Believe me when I say I really believe that so far, LSD is just a medically useless chemical that causes hallucinations. I've never read anything that has suggested that LSD is an effective treatment for any known medical condition. It's possible that one day it will be found to be effective, but so far LSD has proven to be worthless in treating medical conditions.

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