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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Coaster]
#10898735 - 08/20/09 04:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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A war is easy enough to end.
Health care would be impossible to end if it sucks. It's like a self strengthening monster like all big goverment programs. Look at social security. Thats already going to bankrupt us.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Coaster]
#10898738 - 08/20/09 04:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well Sweden pays 1/3 the price of americans have twice as many doctors per capita and they live 3 years long on average socialized medicine is the way of the future
How bad is Swedens government debt?
Public healthcare is done and dusted in Australia.
You can't afford to give someone $500,000 of treatment a year when they are contributing $0 in tax... that means someone else has to make up that shortfall.
Just can't afford it, simple as that.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: jewunit]
#10898739 - 08/20/09 04:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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jewunit said: To be honest I don't much care what our health care becomes, but why are you even arguing this? I never understand starting arguments when you have some staunch opinion.
I'm just saying its so funny how every1 is like i dont want my taxes to pay for my neighbor getting cancer treatment but every1 jumped on the idea to spend one trillion dollars to kill iraqi's who never did anything to us people are more eager to use weapons than medicine
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Coaster]
#10898743 - 08/20/09 04:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hardly everyone jumped on that idea.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Coaster]
#10898756 - 08/20/09 04:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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its so funny how every1 is like i dont want my taxes to pay for my neighbor getting cancer treatment
......because we can't afford it!
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Coaster]
#10898762 - 08/20/09 04:19 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coaster said: Well Sweden pays 1/3 the price of americans have twice as many doctors per capita and they live 3 years long on average socialized medicine is the way of the future
Bull shit. Those figures include deaths that have nothing to do with medical treatment. Like murders.We are also fat asses that causes tons more problems. But the media loves feeding you that bullshit.
If you stick to life expectancy when medical treatment has started. The US has the highest life expectancy in the world.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: jewunit]
#10898775 - 08/20/09 04:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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jewunit said: Hardly everyone jumped on that idea.
only 23% percent of the senate voted nay on the Iraq Resolution authorizing the iraq war compare that to how many are against medical reform
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Coaster]
#10898787 - 08/20/09 04:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't point to the Senate in one instance but clearly imply people as a whole in the other.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: buckwheat]
#10898807 - 08/20/09 04:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coaster said: Well Sweden pays 1/3 the price of americans have twice as many doctors per capita and they live 3 years long on average socialized medicine is the way of the future
Bull shit. Those figures include deaths that have nothing to do with medical treatment. Like murders.We are also fat asses that causes tons more problems. But the media loves feeding you that bullshit.
If you stick to life expectancy when medical treatment has started. The US has the highest life expectancy in the world.
they pay wayyyyyyyyyyy less and have MORE doctors they also get far more sick leave and 18 months when they have a kid when they get sick they only have to worry about getting better their system is better in every way floozy
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Coaster]
#10898812 - 08/20/09 04:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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And apparently Australia's system sucks. So what makes you think we are guaranteed to have it work out? What makes me most weary is the way other public services work. Welfare? Awesome!
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Coaster]
#10898824 - 08/20/09 04:29 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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they pay wayyyyyyyyyyy less and have MORE doctors they also get far more sick leave and 18 months when they have a kid when they get sick they only have to worry about getting better their system is better in every way floozy
Maternity leave, fuck them, the world is overpopulated, I don't want to pay for some bitch to have 18 months on taxpayers money.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Coaster]
#10898834 - 08/20/09 04:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coaster said: Well Sweden pays 1/3 the price of americans have twice as many doctors per capita and they live 3 years long on average socialized medicine is the way of the future
Bull shit. Those figures include deaths that have nothing to do with medical treatment. Like murders.We are also fat asses that causes tons more problems. But the media loves feeding you that bullshit.
If you stick to life expectancy when medical treatment has started. The US has the highest life expectancy in the world.
they pay wayyyyyyyyyyy less and have MORE doctors they also get far more sick leave and 18 months when they have a kid when they get sick they only have to worry about getting better their system is better in every way floozy
I could care fucking less about any of that.
I WANT TO LIVE BIATCH.
and the current system gives me the best chance of that.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Coaster]
#10898886 - 08/20/09 04:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Talk to Canadians with significant illnesses.
I know several who have to come down to the US for treatment, because they're on 6 month waiting lists for conditions that will kill them in 3 months if they are untreated.
I can't find the commercial on Youtube, but there's a commercial that shows exactly what I was talking about.
Socialized health care sure is a lofty idea, and may work in countries like Japan, but in America, its strictly fantasy.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: DragonChaser]
#10898902 - 08/20/09 04:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Socialized health care sure is a lofty idea, and may work in countries like Japan, but in America, its strictly fantasy.
That's because they're xenophobes.
Australian hospitals accept any old douche.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Chubba]
#10898917 - 08/20/09 04:45 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think we could do it, but we'd need to phase it in, allow for more doctors, and create some kind of a significant national service requirement to balance out the cost.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: blewmeanie]
#10898932 - 08/20/09 04:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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The cost of health care would drop dramatically if Americans actually ate right and exercised, and found good activities to boost mood and lower stress and anxiety.
But asking people to exercise a little self control and discipline is too much in American society.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: blewmeanie]
#10898943 - 08/20/09 04:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doctors don't want to work in public healthcare.
You just busted your ass for 8 years... you got the choice to work twice as hard for 1/4 of the money, with crap facilities, understaffed and deal with the dregs.
OR, go private.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: Chubba]
#10898978 - 08/20/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's not really true, a lot of doctors start out in public heath care.
There's also a limit on how many people are permitted to become doctors at any one time. I don't really know enough about it to speak intelligent on it, but from the little I've read the motivation for doing so seems to be driven purely on profit.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: DragonChaser]
#10898990 - 08/20/09 04:57 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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DragonChaser said: The cost of health care would drop dramatically if Americans actually ate right and exercised, and found good activities to boost mood and lower stress and anxiety.
But asking people to exercise a little self control and discipline is too much in American society.
Yeah, that's very true. I think there should be a bigger emphasis on physical fitness through out all levels of schooling. A national service requirement may go along way toward instilling a sense of personal discipline as well.
I think ultimately there isn't any one fix for any of this, our entire culture and system of governance needs a major tune up.
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Re: Socialized Medicine is retarded : Decade long Wars, now THATS Genius [Re: blewmeanie]
#10899001 - 08/20/09 04:58 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's not really true, a lot of doctors start out in public heath care.
Yep, that's why it took me nearly 15 hours to see a doctor 2 months out of university. The moment they finish their residency, they're out of there.
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There's also a limit on how many people are permitted to become doctors at any one time. I don't really know enough about it to speak intelligent on it, but from the little I've read the motivation for doing so seems to be driven purely on profit.
Face the facts, nobody is going to do 8 years of intense university plus an additional 4+ years of residency training to end up on anything less then $200-250k (which is what our public attendings/consultans get now).
You can quit the public system, work 9-5 on your terms and make $500k in private no problem.
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