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    #1773231 - 08/02/03 05:10 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Is there any real family touring with the dead, or did they just turn the keys over to a bunch of kiddies who are driven by greed and have a "holier than thou" air to them.
Maybe I just have not had the pleasure of meeting any of them, but the ones I did meet left a bad taste and really give me doubts about the future of any type of movement (which for the life of me I would love to see happen again).
Reading the posts and from what I seen first hand it really breaks my heart. $10 for a dose, come on. If thats the family working than it has become very disfunctional. I did not think it was like that, I understand supply and demand but honestly I dont feel that should be a consideration.
Perhaps I am just old fashioned but I feel that it should be a mission not a business venture.
Sorry about the rant, it just upsets me.. I do understand about the "getting busted" factor but this all just seems to go beyond that.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Drummer]
    #1773644 - 08/02/03 08:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

ive noticed the same thing really. Most people didnt want to have anything to do with you unless you had something they wanted....mostly money. But there were good people there. It was my frist time but after a while i got the hang of how everything works and stuff and you could tell who was cool and who wasent. I payed $10 a dose for 4 just to make sure that i would have some. But i later found a guy that gave me 8 for $40 and he dropped the 8 in the water and so he just gave us 8 more. I got offered a done of AMT for free, and some guy just smoked some pot with me for free and gave me a big ass roach. Most people were weird about there bowls and there pot. A few times i was trying to talk to people and i couldent understand what they were telling me really and stuff and they were just like go trip somewhere else. I felt like everyone was trying to pull a fast one on me or something. But in the end it was all good. There were some good people there. This girl gave me a flower and was talking about just being happy and all this cool stuff...she was really sweet. This other girl was asking me how i foundthe cid and how i knew how everything worked and i told her about chinacat and how he used to tour and lay the cid and she was amazed that i had talked to someone like that and wanted to trade her bowl for a few hits but i declined cause i had no more money and this was the only chance for me getting acid for a while, so she just got up and left. The old people were cool and most of the young people were cool but some were just not the family type.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Vulture]
    #1773724 - 08/02/03 09:09 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Somebody needs to set up "mellow zones" in the campgrounds where people are staying; some kind of sound and light blocking material surrounding the space with mood lighting and nice tapestries on the walls.

Draw in the new kids and tell them stories about the way it was and the way it should be (while they are in a more open state of mind). I think the vision has been lost because there has been no handing down of the legacy of the movement.

Somebody needs to go out and start preaching.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1773737 - 08/02/03 09:14 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

man tahts a good idea....i was so out of this world i didnt know how to react to anything or where i was or anything.....i was looking for some cool people to just sit and talk to about the dead and how it is on tour and how thing swere and should be and stuff like that. I ended up getting seperated from my friend and totally lost and when i found the car i jsut sat there on a blanket...looking around and observing. Its amazing the thing you learn just observing. Just from listening to peoples convorsations i knew everything that was going on...very cool


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Vulture]
    #1774162 - 08/02/03 11:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'm just curious, but why do people expect LSD manufactures / dealers to treat the substance like some kind of sacrament?


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1774185 - 08/02/03 11:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Becuase to many people, it is.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1774191 - 08/02/03 11:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

dude come on. You have read the multiple LSD threads. It was explained well in those.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: OctopusDr]
    #1774434 - 08/03/03 01:16 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

there have always been ppl that are in it for the money but what needs to happen is a nation wide flood.but why they are not making it happen after 2 to 4 years is what im worried about. who knows why they havent yet but i hope they all have not decided they have done thier time and just put out less lsd


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1774451 - 08/03/03 01:24 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I don't get it.

LSD was made by a big pharmaceutical company, so therefore it is evil beyond Satan.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1774543 - 08/03/03 02:03 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

yea the kind of evil that turned conservative scientist into enlightend beings. like dr richard alpert into baba ram dass


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: buckwheat]
    #1774602 - 08/03/03 02:28 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Enlightened? More like delusional.

You have it all backwards. People ridicule Christians but idealize anyone who shows a hint of Eastern mysticism.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: buckwheat]
    #1774605 - 08/03/03 02:30 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

its fucking 2003, the law of supply and demand overcomes any intent of opening minds anymore..but can you put a price on mind expansion?


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Cubieman420]
    #1774649 - 08/03/03 02:55 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"Mind expansion" = pretentious euphemism for "getting high"


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1774779 - 08/03/03 03:57 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

.you just like to push peoples buttons i wont play this game with you.oh wait i just did by replying to you.


Edited by mindcandy (08/03/03 03:58 AM)


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1774798 - 08/03/03 04:05 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Trolls aren't allowed in the pub.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1774804 - 08/03/03 04:06 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not trolling.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1774881 - 08/03/03 05:04 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Well, if someone's only interest in psychedelics is getting fucked up, then they should be charged as much as fucking possible. If it is mind expansion / self exploration then it should be free.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1774908 - 08/03/03 05:49 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I've been following your posts recently and I think you have brought up several good points.  Although I don't think you should totally discredit the usefulness of entheogens as a tool of inner exploration, I, too, have witnessed an immense flood of people claiming to be on the path to Samadhi through only the use of psychedelic drugs, meanwhile criticizing other belief systems because Christianity isn't "hip" anymore.

I believe that drugs are one of life's many stepping stones.  However, disregarding "mind expansion" and "enlightenment" as pretentious euphemisms seems a bit pretentious in itself because you are putting yourself in a position to determine the "worthiness" of someone else's experience.  You undermine the importance of a word by saying that it has become cliche in that it has been popularized by psychedelic idealists.  However, enlightenment, in my own opinion, is a subjective experience and the word is simply a way to communicate this experience.

The reason for enlightenment lacking a solid, objective definition could very well be because, as you say, "Resisting a definition is merely a strategy used to keep the concept seeming ineffable. If the concept seems ineffable, then it has a symbollic status of being divine."  But isn't it also possible that there is another explanation for this experience being ineffable?  I realize that you are probably just making a point, but I think that you put too much certainty in your words (which also may have been planned, considering the zealous nature of some of the Enlightenment Crusaders).

Who knows?  I do enjoy a good mindfuck though.  :nut: 


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: DiMiTriSouljah]
    #1774945 - 08/03/03 07:20 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I was heightening the tone of my posts for effect. Thanks for the comments.


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Re: ChinaCat, Its getting sickening [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1774951 - 08/03/03 07:23 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You do a damned fine job of playing Devil's Advocate.  :grin: 


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