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Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... * 1
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GG had a good suggestion in another thread... Let's compile a list of mushrooms that bruise bluish to greenish that aren't active. After this thread becomes fairly inactive I'll add a document to the FAQ with the information.

I'll start things off with some of the obvious ones...

many Boletes (some of which are poisonous!)
several Lactarius species (around Lactarius deliciosus)
Phylloporus species (gilled boletes)
Leptonia incana


OK, add others that you may know below...

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: ToxicMan]
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Good idea.

I will keep adding to this as i go so it might become a little messy;

My first entry is comes from the book "Mushrooms" By; Thomas Laessoe

"Blue-green Funnel-cap" - Clitocybe odora
The cap of this species matures from blue-green to grey or grey-brown.



"Gilled Bolete" - Phylloporus rhodoxanthus
Bright yellow gills may bruise green or blue



Lactarius deterrimus
This species exudes green-staining milk



Lactarius sanguifluus
This species has blood-red milk, staining green as it dries.



"Ugly Milk Cap" - Lactarius necator
This species produces copius white milk, which dries in greenish brown spots on the off0-white to pale green gills.



"Slimy Milk-cap" - Lactarius blennius
Its firm white flesh produces white milk that dries to olive grey on the white gills.



"Pickle Milk-cap" - Lactarius trivialis
The crumbly white flesh exudes acrid white milk that dries to greenish beige on the gills.



"Wood Blewit" - Lepista nuda
This cap of this species is marbled lilac-blue.



"Soap-scented Knight-cap" - Tricholoma saponaceum
The gills of this species are cream to grey-green, staining in shades of red or becoming pale green with age. The flattened to umbonate cap is grey-green but is variable in colour.



"Violet Web-cap" - Cortinarius violaceus
A deep violet-blue colouring sets this species apart.



"Silvery Violet Web-cap" - Cortinarius alboviolaceus
The gills of this species are light grey-blue or cinnamon-brown.



"Sulfur Tuft" - Hypholoma fasciculare
This mushroom has a green sheen on greenish yellow to olvie-brown gills.



"Blue-green Slime-head" Stropharia cyanea ??
The convex greasy cap is blue-green; The stem is blue-green with off-white flesh



"Green and Pink Fibre-cap" Inocybe haemacta
Grey or greenish-brown cap. Greenish grey stem.



"Parrot Wax-cap" Hygrocybe psittacina
The top of the stem is usually tinged blue-green; green to orange-yellow gills; flesh is white, tinged pale green and yellow; bottle-green cap in young specimens; slimy yellow and or green stem.



"Steel-blue Pink-gill" - Entoloma nitidum
Dark grey-blue cap. Stem is dark grey-blue.



"Green Russule" - Russula virescens
Velvety, yellow to blue-green cap surface.



"Saw-gilled Blue-cap" - Entoloma serrulatum
Dark blue-black cap surface; Pale blue gills have a serrated, blue-black edge.



"Green Pink-gill" - Entoloma incanum
The overall colour of thios species is green or green-brown, but the flesh discolours to sky-blue when bruised.; Translucent green stem stains blue where bruised; stem base is white and stains blue.



"Morgans Green Gilled Lepiota" - Chlorophyllum molybdites
Its spores stain the white gills olive-green.



"Common Oyster Mushroom" - Pleurotus ostreatus
The cap has a blue-grey colouring when young, becoming dark grey-blue to brown.



"Spindle-stemmed Bolete" - Boletus appendiculatus
The pores stain blue, slightly.



"Bay Bolete" - Boletus badius
Yellow-olive pores, which stain blue. Any blue staining on the firm white flesh disappears whith cooking.



"Scarlet-stemmed Bolete" - Boletus calopus
Flesh is pale yellow, staining pale blue.



"Satan's Bolete" - Boletus satanas
The yellow to white flesh stains slightly blue, as do the pores.



"Pretty Poison Bolete" - Boletus pulcherrimus
Blood-red pores, bruising blue-black; its firm yellow flesh, turns blue on cutting.



"Le Gal's Bolete" - Boletus legaliae
Yellow flesh bruises light blue



"Dotted-stem Bolete" - Boletus luridiformis
Flesh and tubes turn blue when cut.



"Red-cracking Bolete" - Boletus pascuus
The yellow to olive pores bruise slightly blue.



"Red-capped Bolete" - Boletus rubellus
Yellow-olive pores stain blue when bruised; Slowly blue-staining flesh



Boletus bicolor
Its thick yellow flesh slowly bruises to blue.



Bolete sensibilis
Has flesh that turns blue.



"Yellow-cracking Bolete" - Boletus subtomentosus
The pores stain slightly blue when they are bruised.



"Cornflower Bolete" - Gyroporus cyanescens
Blue-staining off-white flesh and tubes.



Suillus aeruginascens
Dingy olive-brown species; off white to grey-brown pores turn olive-green when bruised.



"Variegated Bolete" - Suillus variegatus
Pores are brown to olive-brown and stain blue when pressed. The stem is brown with olive-green or pale red tints.



Postia caesia
This poluypore has a felty white surface that ages blue-black.



"Blue-footed Scaly-tooth" - Sarcodon scabrosus
The stem is dark brown with a steel-blue base. Pale flesh is blue-tinged at stem base.



"Green Stain" Chlorociboria aeruginascens
This fungus makes a blue-green stain inside its woody substrate; Blue-green surface of cup; lighter blue-green undersurface.




Many more to come.....

Edited by GGreatOne234 (08/01/03 12:35 PM)

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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: ToxicMan]
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this one's not a blue bruiser, but frequently enough asked about that it might be worth mentioning: Stropharia aeruginosa


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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it.
If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.

Edited by concretefeet (08/01/03 11:31 AM)

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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: GGreatOne234]
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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: ToxicMan]
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Heres a good one, and a few decent pics... The gilled bolete, I found it last year, and will probably find it again this year when it comes up. This one had me going for a minute, I'd never seen a "gilled" bolete before.








LK,


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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: Lizard King]
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OK, the first version of the document is now in the FAQ.

You can find it here.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: ToxicMan]
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Some Psilocybes that dont bruise blue are of course Psilocybe Coprophilla and another would of course be the Pan Sub,Just a few that are found alot that the beginners dont think are active just because they dont bruise blue,Peace!


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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: aminitaman]
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amanitaman: you got it backward. the thread is about mushrooms that do bruise blue and are not active, not about psilocybes that don't bruise blue. btw; i hope you realize that P. coprophila aren't active.


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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it.
If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.

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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: canid]
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Ha,my bad concretefeet,im sorry,i misunderstood,sorry,but on a few different sites it says that Coprophilla are active but contain only little amounts of psilocybin,correct?But sorry for the misunderstanding on the thread!SORRY!


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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: aminitaman]
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1.) don't sweat it.
2.) not correct. P. coprophila is not active at all. i have eaten them before, in large amounts and gotten nothing more signifigant than diharea[sp?].


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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it.
If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.

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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: canid]
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Concretefeet is correct and I want to mention here that there are more than 100 non-active Psilocybe shrooms which do not bruise blue and are not psilocybian. P. montana, P. Uda, P. subcoprophila, are but a few.

I must also mention that Dr. Gaston Guzman is very sick at the moment and is attempting to revise and update his large monograph, "The Genus Psilocybe."

mjshroomer.

He has also has about twelve new psychoactive species which he has not attempted to write taxonomy on due to other works.

I would also like to caution future shroom hunters regarding the buing boletes and the bluing Stropharias Paul Stamets notes in his book.

Boletes are 99% spongie porus bottoms and need not be described along with bluing psilocybe or other bluing shrooms which are psilocybian since those other shrooms ahve gills and not porus bottoms under their caps.

The bluing boletes should be noted for those interested in edible shrooms.

Others such as P. cyanea, P. aeruginosa should be noted that the bluing in those shrooms are not a stain buit the natural color of the actual shroom.

And then the edible lacterius delicioiosis (Sp?) which is very edible has green stains to blue green stains in them but are a chioice edible shroom.

mj

mj

Edited by mjshroomer (08/13/03 05:21 PM)

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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: mjshroomer]
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Also,whatabout the ink cap(coprinus species)I have picked those before thinking that they might be psychoactive.One reason i thought this was because the stem when damaged turned a slight greenish/blue color.But when i noticed that the cap turned to ink after drying i threw them out because i didnt really feel like eating black liquid.
But anyways my main point is that this is another mushroom that turns blue and is not psychoactive,Thanks and happy hunting!


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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: aminitaman]
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aminitaman said:
Also,whatabout the ink cap(coprinus species)I have picked those before thinking that they might be psychoactive.One reason i thought this was because the stem when damaged turned a slight greenish/blue color.But when i noticed that the cap turned to ink after drying i threw them out because i didnt really feel like eating black liquid.
But anyways my main point is that this is another mushroom that turns blue and is not psychoactive,Thanks and happy hunting! 


I have never seen Coprinus comatus stain blue.    Since you appear to be permanently banned I can't ask you for photos so I'll just call bullshit.

One that has not been mentioned yet is that I sometimes see a faint blue color right where the gills attach on Chlorophyllum brunneum and C. rhacodes.    Not sure if it is staining or just a blue color.

Several Leucoagaricus species stain blue or green - Leucoagaricus caerulescens can stain a beautiful shade of sky blue.

Here's a green staining Leucoagaricus which I believe is a new species that I discovered in Mexico.  I was able to sequence the DNA and the ITS region's closest BLAST match was 89%, leading me to suspect that it is a new species.    http://mushroomobserver.org/115977





Here is another little blue stainer I am calling Leucoagaricus caerulescens.  I gave this collection to the world expert on Leucoagaricus, Else Vellinga for study and she stole it.    Or maybe she is still working on it, I hope so!

http://mushroomobserver.org/75919

Here are some more observations of this taxon:  http://mushroomobserver.org/name/show_name/31384

This won't be in Leucoagaricus for much longer because Else is about to move ALL Leucoagaricus into Leucocoprinus.    It was the only way to make it monophyletic, so it'll be Leucocoprinus caerulescens.

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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Whaaat those are awesome!

Alan Rockefeller said:
I gave this collection to the world expert on Leucoagaricus, Else Vellinga for study and she stole it.    Or maybe she is still working on it, I hope so!



Let us know if you need some kneecaps broken.

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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: Ran-D]
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Ran-D said:
Let us know if you need some kneecaps broken.



Ooh thanks for the offer, but this particular collection isn't quite that important.    I'll just send her an email.

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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I watched your video on youtube where you say that the blueing in psilocybe mushrooms is due to the presence of psilocin?  Obviously, other blueing mushrooms have some other chemical pathway to this effect?  But I am mostly asking about psilocybes.

For mushrooms that are psilocybe and have little to no psilocin, think Panaeolus Cinctulus here; is there a way to make the mushroom convert the psilocybe to psilocin on the spot?  I suppose like the human body converts it internally? This would make a great way to ID the Pan. Cinct. and avoid any confusion with inactives or worse, toxic mushrooms is my thought.


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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: Gilzman]
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Gilzman said:
I watched your video on youtube where you say that the blueing in psilocybe mushrooms is due to the presence of psilocin?


Yes.

Quote:
Obviously, other blueing mushrooms have some other chemical pathway to this effect? 



Yes, here is an article on the bluing pigments in boletes:  http://www.fungimag.com/fall-2010-articles/BoletesLR.pdf





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For mushrooms that are psilocybe and have little to no psilocin, think Panaeolus Cinctulus here; is there a way to make the mushroom convert the psilocybe to psilocin on the spot?


Yes, I think any acid will do this.




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I suppose like the human body converts it internally?



Yes, psilocybin is a prodrug for psilocin.

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This would make a great way to ID the Pan. Cinct. and avoid any confusion with inactives or worse, toxic mushrooms is my thought.


Except that acids also get rid of the blue color - probably due to deprotonation  rather than destruction of the psilocin.


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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Thanks for the detailed response.  In retrospect, I suppose what I want is to force an immediate (or quick) organic response to an external stimulant.  That is, to force a blueing.  Or, maybe... what is an equal thing, is to 'force' a non-response, and having assurance (or uncertainty, if you are into that), and either have a field indicator or a good 'bench' filter.

Edited by Gilzman (05/14/17 12:26 AM)

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Re: Mushrooms that bruise blue and aren't active... [Re: Gilzman]
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Gilzman said:
Thanks for the detailed response.  In retrospect, I suppose what I want is to force an immediate (or quick) organic response to an external stimulant.  That is, to force a blueing.  Or, maybe... what is an equal thing, is to 'force' a non-response, and having assurance (or uncertainty, if you are into that), and either have a field indicator or a good 'bench' filter.



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