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Im pretty sure these 3 mushrooms I found are actives...
    #1523859 - 05/06/03 07:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I found LOTS of mushrooms on my little hunt (see picture at bottom) but only 3 were of this type in the upper right hand corner of the first picture. When I cam across them they were in grass on some mulch by a garden. The gills were blue to black to light light brown at the very ends closer to the edge of the caps and the stems were skinny compared to the rest of the mushies we found that day. We took spore prints and they appeared to be black to dark blue. The cap had a little nipple on it (is that the right word for it). And was slightly wavy. I attached an under shot of the mushroom... And an above shot. Give me your best guess. If more is needed I can take a picture of the spore print...





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Re: Im pretty sure these 3 mushrooms I found are actives... [Re: whole9]
    #1523863 - 05/06/03 07:24 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Haven't you already got a thread about this?

I don't think the three in the top left are psilocybes.
Actually, I guarantee they're not psilocybes.
If they don't bruise blue then they can't be active


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Re: Im pretty sure these 3 mushrooms I found are actives... [Re: zeta]
    #1523876 - 05/06/03 07:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Ugh! This is way too hard lol! What do you mean by bruising blue? So if you pinch the stem it will turn blue after about 20-30 minutes right? And how blue would it be? Im in washington state trying to find either Panaeolus subbalteatus or Psilocybe cyanescens... It seems like these COULD be them becuase they have spore prints that match the description, and they were blue under the gills... I am sorry if I sound like a newbie, but I am =[ Im trying to learn this and its really frusterating for me... What could those be if they arent Psilocybe cyanescens or Panaeolus subbalteatus is there anything else that grows in washington state that looks like that?


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Re: Im pretty sure these 3 mushrooms I found are actives... [Re: whole9]
    #1523894 - 05/06/03 08:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)


(my upload limit is reached, so see the other picture here)http://www.erowid.org/plants/show_image.php?image=mushrooms/psilocybe_cyanescens8.jpg


I don't know what the mushrooms you have are, but I don't think they resemble Panaelolus Subbalteatus or Psilocybe Cyanescens.


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Re: Im pretty sure these 3 mushrooms I found are actives... [Re: Sheepish]
    #1523903 - 05/06/03 08:31 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Dam.. Well I guess I have start looking around again LOL! =[ oh well im learning...


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Re: Im pretty sure these 3 mushrooms I found are actives... [Re: whole9]
    #1523909 - 05/06/03 08:38 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

OK, here's a few things that can be seen in the photos which tell us those aren't Psilocybes.

Notice that several of the cap sufaces are cracking sort of like mud drying out? That tells us that the cap cuticle is cellular. Psilocybes have a filamentous cuticle, and won't crack like that.

On a few of the caps you can see a spore print from another mushrom which was growing above it (especially to the lower left). Based on the photo I would guess that we're seeing a dark brown spore print, but that can be difficult to judge accurately from a photo so that might not be correct. A photo of a spore print on white paper could be useful. The spore prints of Psilocybes are purple-gray to purple-brown to almost black.

Bruising as professional mycologists do it is done by cutting the mushroom in half vertically and scraping the inside of the mushroom with the knife edge (not gently, you're trying to bruise the flesh). Any color changes considered bruising will occur within an hour.

The gills on the specimens you show closer appear to be free (not attached to the stalk). Psilocybes typically have attached gills. To verify gill attachment, slice a specimen in half vertically. Then you can see things much more clearly. Also, make sure (if possible) to check the attachment in young and mature specimens. In many mushrooms the gills will be attached when young and will detach as they mature.


Do you have a book to help you with this? Since you say you are in the Pacific Northwest, I would recommend you get a copy of Mushrooms Demystified by David Arora and spend some time reading.

Identification of mushrooms can be difficult. There are thousands of species out there and lots of them are very difficult to identify accurately. Expect that you will not be able to identify what kind of mushroom it is most of the time, especially at first. Instead of trying to identify everything to species, try to identify which family and genus they belong to first, then try for species.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Im pretty sure these 3 mushrooms I found are actives... [Re: whole9]
    #1524335 - 05/06/03 01:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

ToxicMan is dead on about the caps. Psilocybe's do not dry that way.

The mushrooms really do look like all the same species, just at different developments of growth. If they were growing all together (Like you stated in your first post), its very likely that they are.

Ps. cyanescens and Pan. subbalteatus will not be growing this time of year anyways. They grow more in the winter and fall for the Pacific NW. You might try your luck finding Psilocybe stunzii. I think MJ has posted some recent pictures of them in the past month. They grow from well fertilized and maintained grasses, such as the overly green grasses you'll see in front of corporate offices and whatnot. There are also other mushrooms which are able to be found in your area....liberty caps are one, there are other Psilocybe's which are also found.

You might want to pick up a book. Mushrooms Demystified is a great book, but does not concentrate solely on hallucinogenics.

Lastly, I understand you are new here, but, please do not double post. This is a big no-no at the shroomery. :tongue:


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Re: Im pretty sure these 3 mushrooms I found are actives... [Re: angryshroom]
    #1524499 - 05/06/03 02:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

OK! THANKS SO MUCH for all that great info =D I really do appreciate it! I will try to get more organize and post finds with better info and spore prints from now on. Peace-


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