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I want to grow Morels outside
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I know this is a hard thing to do but I wanna try.  Its a bummer that they dont fruit the first year, the year planted.  Has anyone gotten morels to fruit the year they planted?  I read that the key to fruiting morels is scloretia and this requires a nutrient poor substrate with a nutrient rich substrate within the mycelium web.  If morels can fruit in a tray indoors very soon after the setup is made I wonder why it takes two years for fruits outdoors.  For fruits indoors I read that scloretia must form within the casing layer.  I plan to use a roughly 50/50 mix of applewood sawdust and compost with some birdseed and applewood chips in 200 wide mouth quart jars (PC'd).

Plus has anyone used the karo tech to grow morel cultures?  I would like to start this thread to discuse and document my experience/findings.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Have you read all of the morel cultivation thread?
Lots of good knowledge from people who have been working at the morel project as well.

In china you can learn how to learn how to grow morels. I believe the course cost somewhere around a $1,000US.

good luck with your project!

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: pseudotsuga]
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I have yet to read that thread and thanks for stopping by.

I suspect my tech will be different yet similiar to others...I will read as much as I can of that thread.  I


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I plan on between 10k and 11k cubic inches and hope on sclerotia.  That morel thread is huge and a lot is just chatter but some good links.  I was hoping for some talk that isnt so cluttered but I would like to share my findings here.

I will order supplies very soon, I expect to use 35lbs of apple wood sawdust and 5 kilos of apple wood chips with some compost and trace amounts of other goodies.  Sand and some bird seed with oyster shell flour will be in the mix too but exact mixture ratios will be a secret for awhile.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I was worried I wouldnt be able to put spawn outside because I couldnt get the compost I wanted.  The compost I can get and I am almost done getting supplies, 8 more wide mouth quart cases to go!  I will try to get some pics loaded as I move along, showing success and failures.  Going to order the culture at the last minute and grow out about two quarts in karo diluted.  I only need one quart of LC for 17 cases.  Again I hope that if sclerotium form I will get a flush the first year.  65 degrees after 5 weeks in jars will form sclerotia, if nutes are low.

Edit:  The compost is awesome, its not manure it is made from a landscaping company and resturant compost.


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Edited by Morel Guy (01/28/13 05:00 PM)

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Sounds like a sound plan. :thumbup: i look forward to your results.

My plan of attack goes like this. I work on a sweet small organic hobby farm in my off season of regular work. one of my jobs i convinced them into is creating a mycological landscape to go with all the yummy veggies and fruit.

One of my project ideas is a morel patch. So what i did was , one day i had to clean all the ash from the furnace and i thought this is the time to start. So i dug up one of the bonfire pits and mixxed the charcoal chunks with all the ashes from the furnace, then mixxed in some mixxed hardwood/fir chips and spread them under a grove of about 12 apple trees. this was last spring / summer.

Now this spring i plan on innoculating if i am able to generate some spawn in the next 3-6 months since i just got  black and blonde cultures. hopefully they are not to old. ive had a hard time aquiring them so i have some work ahead of me .

i am hoping by making the charcoal/ash/woochip patch LAST year it mimmicks a fire from a previous year. :shrug: plus apple orchards are a favored spot too so i  am doubling my chances hopefully!  we'll see what happens 2014.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: psylosymonreturns]
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Be sure to test your LC before expanding to 17 cases :awesome: any small contam in the lc would be a huge disaster on that scale.

Another option is grain to grain transfers which are super easy and colonize fast.

I wish you good luck Morel Guy, psylosymon and anyone else cultivating morels!!

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: deadmandave]
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Thanks psylosymonreturns and deadmandave

How would I test the culture?  Could I test in a petri dish?  I suppose I could test the culture in a jar with my medium mixture.  There is little chance of contamination with these self healing and vented lids I got from outgrow...I will use these on the LC jars and I am building a glove box but broke the bin I got today.  I tried to use a drywall circle cutter and it broke the bin, so I am going to use a hole saw that fits on a drill......3" for the 90mm filter and probably 4 something for my hands.

I have thought about trying a patch with just peroxide to sterilize and spraying culture when the weather is right, just to see if anything happens...dunno.  Morels colonize quickly from what I have read, its the sclerotia that take time.

I really wonder how many jars will grow contaminates, I have had good successe in the past.  The weirdest thing was when some z strain spores germinated on top of the keepers brew...ya, I was a noob and ordered from that guy! 


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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I'm looking to get into this as well, about to acquire a culture for black morels

What he's saying about testing it is try it out in a few jars and see how the myc grows, and make sure no contams start growing in a week or two.

If after a couple weeks no contams are present and myc is growing, then noc up the rest of your 17 cases of jars. 

IT would be really shitty to noc up 204 jars and ALLL of them contaminate because you didn't try a few jars first.

I know this from experience, impatience caused me to shoot up 4 cases (not as bad as 17) with LC that looked fine, white fluffy myc, no other colors or spots visibly present.  I had used the LC 6 months prior and figured it should still be good.

I learned very quickly to test your LC on about 3 jars first. 
Why 3 and not just one?  maybe the 1 will get really lucky and not contam, then you would proceed to contam everything because that one jar fooled you.

The best chunk of info I found from the morel thread so far
Peter Dilley's grow morels

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: indocult]
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Just ordered yellow morel culture. I will try white and black  cultures later but the black need oak sawdust and thats hard to source.  Luckily I have Amish wood workers around that make plenty of saw dust.

I will test the culture on a case, its a small number on this scale and enough to see how things work.  I can only let the test case grow a week and thats plenty with morchella culture.  I am excited because I like to do things like this and I want to make some cash.

I must start two quart jars  for LC, with about 5 or 6 cc's of culture, that is twice as much as I need.  If both jars are contaminated then I would bet money the culture I buy is the reason.  I think these jars can be ready to go outside April 1st as that is when morels pop up around here.

I need to return my computer fan for the glove box, got  a 4" and I need a 3"......the better do that for me!


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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It normally takes at least a year or two til you get fruitings of morels after you inoculate your mushroom patch. If you are looking to make money from growing mushrooms then you should start with another species.

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: pseudotsuga]
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I think morels take a year or two to grow sclerotia, which need to be present  to form fruit bodies.  I have read an indoor tech for morels and if you can form sclerotia you can get fruits in a few weeks. 

Time will tell


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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It isn't just they need sclerotia present to form, the fruiting body grows directly from the sclerotia. Yes they can be grown indoors, M. rufobrunnea is the best species for trying this.

Edit: forgot to ask why you are getting a fan for your glove box? a glove box should be a still air environment

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: pseudotsuga]
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The fan goes on the outside of the box and blows through a filter,  kinda like a flow hood but a box..  Ihave used this method before and it worked well.

I dont need a flush this year but it would be cool if it happened.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
The fan goes on the outside of the box and blows through a filter,  kinda like a flow hood but a box..  Ihave used this method before and it worked well.

I dont need a flush this year but it would be cool if it happened.



The point of a still air box is that all the contaminating spores settle, if you are blowing air in you are stirring them up.  Fans and filters are just unnecessary the box works just as intended with 2 hand holes cut.

Good luck with your morels :toast:


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: johnny.fairplay]
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johnny.fairplay said:
Morel Guy said:
The fan goes on the outside of the box and blows through a filter,  kinda like a flow hood but a box..  Ihave used this method before and it worked well.

I dont need a flush this year but it would be cool if it happened.



The point of a still air box is that all the contaminating spores settle, if you are blowing air in you are stirring them up.  Fans and filters are just unnecessary the box works just as intended with 2 hand holes cut.

Good luck with your morels :toast:



The box will be sprayed with alcohol so all the spores are sterile, the fan keeps a positive pressure in the box so no new spores come in.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Hey whatever clean environment works for you. Your plan of action sounds like it should work out nicely, get it right and it will look like this.

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: pseudotsuga]
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Nice video!

I haven't seen that one before, I thought the morels might pop up outside the bed.  I want to do two 40 square feet rows, 2 x 20 rows.  If things go well I will do rows all down my backyard as the years go on.


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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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The apple sawdust just arrived, looks awesome! 
50 pounds of the stuff, 10 bags, 5 pounds each.  Its all nice and clean, its for smoking foods.
The substrate recipe calls for a little less than 7 bags, 25% sawdust and 8.333% apple wood chips.
The rest is sand, awesome compost that is manure free, birdseed and crushed oyster shell.

Addition:  There is a problem with the pressure cooker. To do a case at a time requires a pressure cooker that wont fit on the stove with the microwave there.  I don't think we will take the nuker down so the size that fits will take 7jars at a time. 

I am thinking we are going to stagger the spawn throughout the year and hope for a flush next year.  My goal is to do this for about ten years so I have ten or twenty grand in the backyard.  We have 73 blueberry plants at the farm and I would like to put morels in our forest too.  We have some farmland and I want to experiment with peroxide to "sanitize" say a dumptruck of sawdust and see if that will spawn.


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Edited by Morel Guy (01/31/13 06:49 AM)

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Re: I want to grow Morels outside [Re: Morel Guy]
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Got more supplies today, all sorts of stuff.  Got a fan that works, karo, distilled water, plexiglass, glove box, all sorts of stuff.  The culture is in the mail but I have to get 8 more jar cases, some more syringes and apple wood chips.


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