yogabunny said:

The difference is you consider a fetus to be a living, breathing human being, even though it is scientifically and legally NOT. 

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BooBooKittyFuck said:

If your gonna quote me get it right, never said breathing. But you can never say something isn't a living human if its heart is beating.

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BooBooKittyFuck said:

If your gonna quote me get it right, never said breathing. But you can never say something isn't a living human if its heart is beating.

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JoieDeVivre said:

BooBooKittyFuck said:

If your gonna quote me get it right, never said breathing. But you can never say something isn't a living human if its heart is beating.

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Plenty of non-humans have beating hearts, including most mammals. We kill living, breathing animals with beating hearts all the time and it's no big deal but apparently terminating a developing organism that can't live outside of the body it's parasiting off is?

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pwnasaurus said:

JoieDeVivre said:

BooBooKittyFuck said:

If your gonna quote me get it right, never said breathing. But you can never say something isn't a living human if its heart is beating.

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Plenty of non-humans have beating hearts, including most mammals. We kill living, breathing animals with beating hearts all the time and it's no big deal but apparently terminating a developing organism that can't live outside of the body it's parasiting off is?

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Watch out, you're breakdown her arguments, she's going to start calling you names and saying you're a murderer soon.

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BooBooKittyFuck said:

If your gonna quote me get it right, never said breathing. But you can never say something isn't a living human if its heart is beating. I'm not trying to guilt anyone just stating what I beleive just as the rest of you have been able to state what you all believe. Funny though your trying to make it out to be that I'm "trolling" or "Guilting" or whatnot. I already told that person what I wished to tell them, the rest of what I have been saying has been in response to what others here are trying to claim is fact when it isn't. But I see how it seems to go around here quite often, it's all good
Didn't mean to bunch anyones britches I just have strong feelings and opinions on these matters is all.
Not everyone will agree on everything all the time and I can accept that.

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My bad on misquoting you.   

BooBooKittyFuck said:

I don't call names. I'm not like MOST of the people here are. I would also never call a baby a damn parasite that's just harsh. And animals are killed for food, so that point is invalid when it comes to killing an innocent baby just because people want to spread their legs and then not have to deal with what that causes. People are just too f-ing lazy to do what they have to , to prevent pregnancy. I can agree to disagree on why people should or shouldn't abort but when it comes to facts, well facts are facts no matter whether you or I disagree with them.

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You're being so obtuse, closed minded, one sided and offensive that it's hard to respond to you in a way that is respectful. I wouldn't be surprised if "MOST of the people on here" responded to you in a much harsher way.

It's not a baby. A fetus meets the definition of a parasitic relationship. Also, it's not about people in this situation "spreading their legs," do you not see how judgemental and bitchy saying that makes you sound? You're being so incredibly insensitive and condescending about an incredibly personal topic, a hugely difficult decision and situation in a person's life. Many people are in a great relationship and they are obviously very likely and totally within their rights as humans to consummate that relationship in any way they please. Even when you're being safe and using some form of birth control, accidents happen and people make mistakes. Not everyone whose life doesn't go as planned  has troubles because they are "too f-ing lazy." These people have to deal with their mistakes in any way they please, including abortion. You said earlier that early abortions are fine but now you're suggesting basically that a fetus turns into a baby at some point while it's still in the womb? You're making completely arbitrary, unscientific moral distinctions here and acting like you're spouting "facts."

JoieDeVivre said:

You're being so obtuse, closed minded, one sided and offensive that it's hard to respond to you in a way that is respectful. I wouldn't be surprised if "MOST of the people on here" responded to you in a much harsher way.

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Keru said:

No one should kill an acorn.

Because it could, you know, like, totally become a tree or something.

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yogabunny said:

BooBooKittyFuck said:

I like how you judge people. You do not know me. I do not think it's right to kill a living human being no matter your excuses or reasoning behind it. You claim that because people do not remember anything from the womb that is reasoning for killing a baby? Do you remember anything from infancy or even toddler? Oh, you dont? So it would have been ok to smother you then? I think not.
Funny cause I could make a few judgments in here my self but I don't. I would never go hold up signs at any place for any reason. If this person had a genuine reason for not wanting to keep this baby then I could see their point. But his girl already has a kid and they are raising it just fine apparently, so what's the big excuse for not having this one?
What because it puts a cramp in their situation or because they may not have extra money to spend on themselves or whatnot? So instead people use the whole "I wouldn't be able to give this child the home it deserves" I could understand that statement as well IF you were lets see, homeless,on welfare, no job, addicted to drugs, etc.

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I also think it's not right to kill a living human being no matter the excuses or reasoning behind it.

The difference is you consider a fetus to be a living, breathing human being, even though it is scientifically and legally NOT. 

Also I am not judging you, so there's no need to be defensive.  I didn't say YOU hold up signs, I said people like you, like people who have the same opinions.  And, yet, the first opportunity you had in this thread you posted a gratuitous story likening abortion to murdering a 2 year old child in cold blood, in an attempt to make the OP feel guilty and ashamed.  These are the exact tactics they use as you're walking into the clinic. 

Women and their partners have the right to choose what they want to do with regards to pregnancy in this country and they should be able to do so without being bullied and harassed by people who don't agree.

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mpd said:

I like how you split hairs to support a completely sick and demented position.  I bet you would have been on the side of euthanasia in Nazi Germany.  After all, retarded people aren't living real lives so depriving them of theirs isn't the same as that of a thinking, rational human being.  Where does it end?  No matter how you try to justify it, you are justifying the most reprehensible conduct possible for human beings to be engaged in and you and I both know that two wrongs don't make a right.  Just because you did it doesn't make it okay for someone else.  shame on you yogabunny.  Do you also ask people to PM you for advice on how to commit suicide or how to take the life of someone whose life has become less than meaningful in your judgment?

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this is so far beyond on the realm of rational thought i can't really tell if you're trolling or serious, or which would be worse.

yogabunny said:

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I'll bite you, stranger.

Tmethyl said:

Once the process has begun, the semen reaches the egg, stopping that process is stopping a life, a life which could have benefited the world, a life which could have been someones best friend, or the best mother or father ever. A life which could have discovered absolute free energy, and so on. Or it could have been a life which murdered and raped. Nobody will know, but that doesn't matter.

Stopping the process which you caused, knowing full well that your action could have resulted in a child, is killing a human life.
If there is one thing I would request of all mothers considering abortion it would be to let the child live until you get to know him or her, give them a chance. Look into their eyes first, do not kill them before they get a chance to look into yours.

The process it's self is what creates a child, it doesn't matter what stage of development the fetus is at, if you stop the process, you kill a potential human; your potential child. I see nothing worth arguing over, stopping the process which creates a child, is erasing a child. There is no way around that. I think there is a some justification going on in here, some guilt maybe...

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mpd said:

I like how you split hairs to support a completely sick and demented position.  I bet you would have been on the side of euthanasia in Nazi Germany.  After all, retarded people aren't living real lives so depriving them of theirs isn't the same as that of a thinking, rational human being.  Where does it end?  No matter how you try to justify it, you are justifying the most reprehensible conduct possible for human beings to be engaged in and you and I both know that two wrongs don't make a right.  Just because you did it doesn't make it okay for someone else.  shame on you yogabunny.  Do you also ask people to PM you for advice on how to commit suicide or how to take the life of someone whose life has become less than meaningful in your judgment?

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yogabunny said:

mpd said:

I like how you split hairs to support a completely sick and demented position.  I bet you would have been on the side of euthanasia in Nazi Germany.  After all, retarded people aren't living real lives so depriving them of theirs isn't the same as that of a thinking, rational human being.  Where does it end?  No matter how you try to justify it, you are justifying the most reprehensible conduct possible for human beings to be engaged in and you and I both know that two wrongs don't make a right.  Just because you did it doesn't make it okay for someone else.  shame on you yogabunny.  Do you also ask people to PM you for advice on how to commit suicide or how to take the life of someone whose life has become less than meaningful in your judgment?

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this is so far beyond on the realm of rational thought i can't really tell if you're trolling or serious, or which would be worse.

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I think it's super cute how you refer to yourself as reasonable, after you insinuated that i would have been a nazi and probably advocate killing mentally challenged human beings because i've had an abortion.



there's no guilt in this thread aside from that which you and BooBooKittyFuck are trying to project onto everyone who does not share your views, btw.

Keru said:

yogabunny said:

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I'll bite you, stranger.

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this noob is feisty, i like it!