trekie said:

Hate to break it to you but I worked as an EMT and spent the better part of a year transporting these guys.

Im not saying all mental illness but violent fucks who meds dont seem to work.
There are lots of people who are plan and simple untreatable and for the rest of societies sake need to be locked away.

Did I say gay or people who were suicidal no. All these spree shooters have many things in common and its not normal depression

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trekie said:

Well what would you suggest? Cause letting people like this roam free is working so well.


Next time you see a homeless guy trying to push you off a subway platform give him a hug and a rainbow.

I think giving these people care and making sure they cant contaminate the gene pool  any more is far more compassionate then  throwing them in jail and releasing them to homelessness and then back to jail.

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creekfreek said:

Maybe it should just start in the home, with parents that actually care about the children that they brought into this world, better parenting skills, teach love to the children, not hate and violence, perhaps all of these shoot em up video games have to do with at least part of the blame.
My point is that kids, these days, are not cared for, not taught how to love, and are force fed violence with most of the TV shows and movies that are out today.
Ban TV?????
Ban video games?
We could ban everything and just go back to hunting with clubs and growing our own food and people would still find a way to kill if that is what they choose to do.
Humans were not always a peaceful animal, We were hunters and killers long before the laws were made and in some, it is still an instinct.
So do what you want with guns, the violence will always remain.

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koods said:

creekfreek said:

Maybe it should just start in the home, with parents that actually care about the children that they brought into this world, better parenting skills, teach love to the children, not hate and violence, perhaps all of these shoot em up video games have to do with at least part of the blame.
My point is that kids, these days, are not cared for, not taught how to love, and are force fed violence with most of the TV shows and movies that are out today.
Ban TV?????
Ban video games?
We could ban everything and just go back to hunting with clubs and growing our own food and people would still find a way to kill if that is what they choose to do.
Humans were not always a peaceful animal, We were hunters and killers long before the laws were made and in some, it is still an instinct.
So do what you want with guns, the violence will always remain.

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So do you think his mother should have had these guns in the home? I have a feeling no matter how nutty every member of Pris' family was, he wouldn't give up his arsenal.

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Charlie Sheen said:

I don't think stiffer penalties for murder would have stopped this Lanza asshole. A principal or teacher with a gun however. . .

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Charlie Sheen said:

Pris has his guns locked up. The killers mother did not.

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koods said:

Charlie Sheen said:

Pris has his guns locked up. The killers mother did not.

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Do you know this for sure? Pris should be at NRA meetings yelling at people to lock their shit up. But, lets be honest, there is no such thing as locked up when there is a male between the age of 12-25 in the house. There is absolutely no lock that can't be defeated by someone who is motivated and has a little free time.

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Charlie Sheen said:

I don't think stiffer penalties for murder would have stopped this Lanza asshole. A principal or teacher with a gun however. . .

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Shill said:

Actually his dad is alive and kicking

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creekfreek said:

Shill said:

Actually his dad is alive and kicking

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Oh? I heard friday that when they killed the shooter and identified him, they went to his dads in jersey and found him shot and killed. Maybe I was given bad info.

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creekfreek said:

How about stiffer penalties for murderers, people used to get life in prison for murder, now they get a couple of years. Make them think if its worth it to actually do life for killing someone.
It may be worth it to do a couple of years to rid the planet of that vile scum in some peoples minds but if the possibility of spending the rest of your life in jail is there, then maybe it might not be so worth it  to pull that trigger.

koods said:

creekfreek said:

Maybe it should just start in the home, with parents that actually care about the children that they brought into this world, better parenting skills, teach love to the children, not hate and violence, perhaps all of these shoot em up video games have to do with at least part of the blame.
My point is that kids, these days, are not cared for, not taught how to love, and are force fed violence with most of the TV shows and movies that are out today.
Ban TV?????
Ban video games?
We could ban everything and just go back to hunting with clubs and growing our own food and people would still find a way to kill if that is what they choose to do.
Humans were not always a peaceful animal, We were hunters and killers long before the laws were made and in some, it is still an instinct.
So do what you want with guns, the violence will always remain.

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So do you think his mother should have had these guns in the home? I have a feeling no matter how nutty every member of Pris' family was, he wouldn't give up his arsenal.

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This is not about Pris, unless he has killed someone with a gun, its not even about the gun, guns are an inanimate object that will not do anything unless made to to so by another power.
Maybe she should not have had a gun with a mentally unstable person in the home, just goes back to good parenting right?

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trekie said:

I still think bringing  back institutionalization makes sense here.

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Hell to lock up a crazy person they have to commit a crime and then anyway they just send them to jail or to a mental ward for 72 hours( most cases have to be voluntary) .

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Lets face some hard facts here not every one should be roaming the streets and I would rather lock these guys up in more human conditions then prisons then have them shoot up malls schools ect.

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In 1999, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that, under the Americans with Disabilities Act, all states must move individuals with mental illness out of ailing state-run institutions and into settings integrated with their communities. Keeping them segregated in an institution amounted to discrimination, the court said.

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In the wake of the mass murders that took place in Newtown, Connecticut on Dec. 14, information on the shooter, and his family, is slowly being discovered by law enforcement other sources. One interesting connection to the tragedy that took place at the Sandy Hook school is that the father of Adam Lanza has a connection to the theater shootings that took place in Aurora earlier this year by James Holmes.

Both fathers of the shooters were allegedly expected to testify in the Libor scandal that rocked the banking world in June.

    The father of Newtown Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial. The father of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead scientist for the credit score company FICO. Both men were to testify before the US Sentate in the ongoing LIBOR scandal. The London Interbank Offered Rate, known as Libor, is the average interest rate at which banks can borrow from each other. 16 international banks have been implicated in this ongoing scandal, accused of rigging contracts worth trillions of dollars. HSBC has already been fined $1.9 billion and three of their low level traders arrested.

Father of Connecticut shooter was to testify on Libor Scandal.
Libor scandal grows as the fathers of two mass murderers were to testify

 
Libor is the internal banking interest rate that major financial institutions determine each day for lending purposes between each facility. This rate is then translated to the interest rates used for mortgages, student loans, credit cards, and nearly every interest bearing loan in the world. Manipulation of the Libor rate has resulted in hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars in fraudulent payments made by billions of customers throughout the financial world.

For similar events on the magnitude of both Aurora and Newtown to hold a connection to one of the greatest financial scandals in the history of finance is astronomically slim in regards to coincidence. In fact, neither shooter had a history with firearm proficiency, and the outcome of each shooting showed an expertise many trained military personnel could not achieve. This leaves the question of where they got their training, or if there was another plot involved which allowed these young men to perform the actions they did with such precision.

While the coming days will bring forth more pertinent information on the motives, access, and failures of both community and family to diagnose the events leading up to Adam Lanza's killing spree, one thing is becoming disturbingly clear. The connections between the Aurora massacre, and the one that took place in Newtown on Friday, may have far more ramifications to the people involved in the Libor scandal than anyone could imagine.

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