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Diploid said:

Hey, it's approved by the FDA

The FDA has approved it to treat lead poisoning only. Not cancer or anything else.

and if there was a problem they would have stopped it pronto.

They DID stop it pronto, as you say, for for off-label OTC treatments:

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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today warned eight companies that their over-the-counter (OTC) chelation products are unapproved drugs and devices and that it is a violation of federal law to make unproven claims about these products. There are no FDA-approved OTC chelation products.

The companies that received the warning letters claim that their products treat a range of diseases by removing toxic metals from the body. Some also claim to treat autism spectrum disorder, cardiovascular diseases, Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s disease, macular degeneration, and other serious conditions. Some companies that received the warning letters also claim their products will detect the presence of heavy metals to justify the need for chelation therapy.

In addition, there are serious safety issues associated with chelation products, which can alter the levels of certain substances in the blood.  Even when used under medical supervision, these products can cause serious harm, including dehydration, kidney failure, and death.

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http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm229320.htm

Your implication that because it's FDA-approved its harmless and treats cancer is unfounded.

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He's too egotistical to come to terms with this.

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Diploid said:

You appear to have issues man.

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Diploid said:

Do you know what a straw man argument is? Look it up.

You're making shit up that I didn't say, claiming that I said it, then shooting it down as if that makes your argument valid.

if he said it has these properties I'm going to completely trust him

Do you know what an Appeal to Authority is? Look it up.

You are free to believe what you want, but one guy making claims that are not well supported and expressly disavowed by FDA don't make his claims true. What's funny is that first you wave around FDA approval as validation, then when it's pointed out to you that the FDA's approval is only for lead therapy, you suddenly stop waving it around and disavow it.

You can't have it both ways. That's the definition of Selection Bias (look it up) by a closed mind. Evidence that supports your position is good, evidence that undermines your position is ignored. The intellectually honest person accepts all the evidence, not just bits he likes.

but you were just in a rush to stand tall for the wanna be MD.

Oh now you read minds and know my motivations from one post containing nothing but facts substantiated with links to FDA publications.

You're not helping your case with these personal attacks.

Seriously, you've always had a thing for me

I don't have the first clue who the fuck you are. I don't remember screen names well. Did I ban you or something? Sounds like a persecution complex. You can get help for that.

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Anonymous said:

Diploid said:

You appear to have issues man.

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Diploid said:

So much for addressing the points I made instead of the Straw Man you built, shoved in my mouth, then shot down as if I said it.

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Diploid said:

First you say:

Every point I made addressed points you made.

then you follow up with:

You said that the FDA ruled against chelation

Which I did not say.

So much for addressing the points I made instead of the Straw Man you built, shoved in my mouth, then shot down as if I said it.

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Anonymous said:

Diploid said:

So much for addressing the points I made instead of the Straw Man you built, shoved in my mouth, then shot down as if I said it.

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He does that quite often, makes him feel smarter.

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RonaldFuckingPaul said:

Chelation should only be used to eliminate heavy metals.    It can be dangerous.

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In the hands of an MD who has been trained and went on to become a Diplomate of the American Board of Chelation Therapy it's extremely safe



The American Board of Chelation Therapy applied to the statutory Florida Board of Medicine a few years ago to be formally recognized by the state. The Florida Board denied the request on the grounds that the ABCT is a quack organization. Their certification examination, for example, consists almost entirely of True/False questions and the passing score required of a physician is very low. You don't test a medical doctor's knowledge with True/False questions. That's what astrology and psychic certification programs do.

C'mon man. You don't seem dumb to me. How can you push the ABCT as any sort of gold standard for chelation. The ABCT are quacks. You are not helping your case at all by citing them.

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Chelation therapists in the United States have set up certifying boards so they can call themselves "board certified." The American Board of Chelation Therapy (ABCT) was founded in 1982 by Charles Farr, M.D., who practiced chelation therapy in Oklahoma. The American Board of Clinical Metal Toxicology (ABCMT) was founded in 2003 and now has its headquarters in Chester, Ohio. Neither is recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS), which sets the certification standards for in the United States.

The Illinois corporate database states that the American Board of Chelation therapy qualified for nonprofit status in 1986 but its registration status was revoked in 2004 .

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Diploid said:

In the hands of an MD who has been trained and went on to become a Diplomate of the American Board of Chelation Therapy it's extremely safe



The American Board of Chelation Therapy applied to the statutory Florida Board of Medicine a few years ago to be formally recognized by the state. The Florida Board denied the request on the grounds that the ABCT is a quack organization. Their certification examination, for example, consists almost entirely of True/False questions and the passing score required of a physician is very low. You don't test a medical doctor's knowledge with True/False questions. That's what astrology and psychic certification programs do.

C'mon man. You don't seem dumb to me. How can you push the ABCT as any sort of gold standard for chelation. The ABCT are quacks. You are not helping your case at all by citing them.

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Chelation therapists in the United States have set up certifying boards so they can call themselves "board certified." The American Board of Chelation Therapy (ABCT) was founded in 1982 by Charles Farr, M.D., who practiced chelation therapy in Oklahoma. The American Board of Clinical Metal Toxicology (ABCMT) was founded in 2003 and now has its headquarters in Chester, Ohio. Neither is recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS), which sets the certification standards for in the United States.

The Illinois corporate database states that the American Board of Chelation therapy qualified for nonprofit status in 1986 but its registration status was revoked in 2004 .

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Quack Watch

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LiquidSmoke said:

Emmanuel Goldstein promoting quack treatments?


NEVER IN MY LIFE.

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Gresh said:

Holy FUCK!


i dont think ive ever seen so much ignorance in one thread


Someone please delete this or change the title at LEAST

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