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Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You!
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Chelation Will Kill You


How Does Chelation Work?


Chelation Oral Protocols



I've been given permission to re-post this after being banned for trolling... I shouldn't have done that, it was really a very uncool thing to do but chelation is extremely safe and incredibly effective when it's done by a master who knows what the hell they're doing. Thousands of MD's have incorporated chelation into their practices and when you consider the statistics the only people who experienced any problem had it performed by uncertified clinicians and these problems were minor compared to the problems those who receive standardized treatment experience as the disease/distress continue to develop. Statistically the numbers are so lopsided disproportionate one has to ask themselves, "Self... How can they ignore the OBVIOUS figures?

I was told I needed stents and medication by a "Highly Qualified" "Well Respected" cardiovascular MD. He ran every test he could suck out of the insurance company. One test in an imaging center and three in his office. This all started when this so called expert said I had severe PAD based on tests a foot doctor did in his office and called him for his "Professional Opinion". I was able to look at the numbers and challenge him and then I said I'm doing chelation and he said anyone who performs chelation is a quack and should have their license pulled. Little did he know the doctor I have now was the one who blazed the trail for it's use which THE FDA APPROVES. If this were so dangerous why would the FDA approve it's use?

WHAT A F*CKING ASSHAT THAT EXPERT IS... WHAT A LIAR TO TRY AND TELL ME IT'S INEFFECTIVE BECAUSE AS AN EXPERT HE SHOULD KNOW IT'S A COMPLETELY ACCEPTED TREATMENT THE FDA RECOGNIZES AND APPROVES... The FDA doesn't approve something like this unless the evidence is overwhelming because this is one of those therapies everyone hates. Probably because it's so damn effective and inexpensive...

If you decide to pursue chelation for metal toxicity or artery disease find a competent board certified MD to perform the procedure.


PeaCe2U All...

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Le_Canard]
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ToiletDuk said:
The American Cancer Society's statement on Chelation.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/pharmacologicalandbiologicaltreatment/chelation-therapy ;


'Nuff said.



First off, your link is dead and chelation has been approved for use by the FDA. If it were so DEADLY the FDA would have put the clamp on it. It has a stellar track record so I can't wait for you to post a link that actually works so I can see what your point was. Speaking of cancer, did you see my post on Buffered intravenous vitamin C and it's use against cancer? Back in the 1970's everyone said it was completely ineffective yet today they are using it. What's up with that ToiletDuk? Think some people were worried about being out of a job?

Tidy up your link so we can see what your all worried about.... Nuff SAID!

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
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I think this is the link Toiletduk was trying to post


http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/pharmacologicalandbiologicaltreatment/chelation-therapy



"Chelation therapy is one of several effective treatments for lead poisoning. However, available scientific evidence does not support claims that it is effective for treating other conditions such as cancer. Chelation therapy can be toxic and has the potential to cause kidney damage, irregular heartbeat, and even death."

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Le_Canard]
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I did your job for you and pulled the link from your post. I've already looked at it and it's a complete hack job by an organization whose existence depends on finding no real cure for cancer any time soon. They threw everything but the kitchen sink at the therapy in order to protect their real interest which is cancer. This thread has absolutely nothing to do with cancer. In that article they say it isn't effective at treating arteriosclerosis which is laughable. You're just sour grapes. Show me some real research proving it's ineffective not some organization that has a vested interest in stalling. You are so weak when it comes to putting up. You've never been able to come up with solid information on anything. You were one of the group yapping that intravenous vitamin C was bullsh*t. You enjoy using medications which is exactly why you react this way and when someone demonstrates there's a better way you post trash. The American Cancer Society... This is really sad that someone who seems intelligent is so closed minded. You are hooked lined and sinkered...

And they use the term "alternative" medicine. Well I prefer Integrative and Functional medicine because this is the wave of the future.

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
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Emmanuel Goldstein said:
ToiletDuk said:
The American Cancer Society's statement on Chelation.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/pharmacologicalandbiologicaltreatment/chelation-therapy ;


'Nuff said.



First off, your link is dead and chelation has been approved for use by the FDA. If it were so DEADLY the FDA would have put the clamp on it. It has a stellar track record so I can't wait for you to post a link that actually works so I can see what your point was. Speaking of cancer, did you see my post on Buffered intravenous vitamin C and it's use against cancer? Back in the 1970's everyone said it was completely ineffective yet today they are using it. What's up with that ToiletDuk? Think some people were worried about being out of a job?

Tidy up your link so we can see what your all worried about.... Nuff SAID!



Big words for someone with 228 posts who joined in 12 when talking to someone who joined in 03 with 77,328 posts.

Chelation has effectiveness for lead poisoning, but beyond that there is no proven medical use for it especially not for cancer. Cancer is caused by things that have nothing to do with chelation. Even if you got cancer by ingesting uranium chelation wouldn't help with the cancer itself, and it might not even help with the uranium.

The FDA doesn't work like you make it sound. They're a massive bureaucracy that moves very slowly in everything they do. Just because something isn't banned by the FDA doesn't mean it's safe, and likewise just because something is approved by the FDA doesn't mean it's safe. Plenty of FDA approved things have resulted in deaths.

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said:
Chelation has effectiveness for lead poisoning, but beyond that there is no proven medical use for it especially not for cancer. Cancer is caused by things that have nothing to do with chelation. Even if you got cancer by ingesting uranium chelation wouldn't help with the cancer itself, and it might not even help with the uranium.







It's nice to hear from someone with an actual science based education.

Can't say the same for Emannuel "Snake Oil" Goldstein.

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous said:
I think this is the link Toiletduk was trying to post


http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/pharmacologicalandbiologicaltreatment/chelation-therapy



"Chelation therapy is one of several effective treatments for lead poisoning. However, available scientific evidence does not support claims that it is effective for treating other conditions such as cancer. Chelation therapy can be toxic and has the potential to cause kidney damage, irregular heartbeat, and even death."



I'm way ahead of you anon. I hate when someone posts benign information anonymously. I'm not sure why you felt you needed to hide your identity but so be it, it's your right.

You don't think that treatments you receive that are considered standard protocols aren't harmful when it comes to treating cancer? Chemo and radiation aren't destructive? And thousands of certified MD's are preforming the procedure all the time. Right now t here are others hooked up and kicking back watching TV or reading a magazine, maybe talking to the person next to them about the weather or their kids. My doctor has performed over a quarter million treatments and no one has suffered any problems. He's actually the one who jump started the entire movement. I almost pissed my shorts when I learned that recently. As far as irregular heart beats go when you're chelated your consuming minerals throughout the day and into the following day. That doesn't happen when your under the care of someone well trained. Hey, it's approved by the FDA and if there was a problem they would have stopped it pronto.

This is complete trash talk from an industry that kills over a quarter of a million patients a year through human error in hospital settings alone.

Nuff said...

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
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The difference is the evidence of treatments which work, vs those that don't work.


You're pushing something that's been proven not to work.  I don't understand why you refuse to credit scientific papers and designed studies.


Yet you use anecdotes and youtube clips to support your claims.

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said:
Emmanuel Goldstein said:
ToiletDuk said:
The American Cancer Society's statement on Chelation.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/pharmacologicalandbiologicaltreatment/chelation-therapy ;


'Nuff said.



First off, your link is dead and chelation has been approved for use by the FDA. If it were so DEADLY the FDA would have put the clamp on it. It has a stellar track record so I can't wait for you to post a link that actually works so I can see what your point was. Speaking of cancer, did you see my post on Buffered intravenous vitamin C and it's use against cancer? Back in the 1970's everyone said it was completely ineffective yet today they are using it. What's up with that ToiletDuk? Think some people were worried about being out of a job?

Tidy up your link so we can see what your all worried about.... Nuff SAID!



Big words for someone with 228 posts who joined in 12 when talking to someone who joined in 03 with 77,328 posts.

Chelation has effectiveness for lead poisoning, but beyond that there is no proven medical use for it especially not for cancer. Cancer is caused by things that have nothing to do with chelation. Even if you got cancer by ingesting uranium chelation wouldn't help with the cancer itself, and it might not even help with the uranium.

The FDA doesn't work like you make it sound. They're a massive bureaucracy that moves very slowly in everything they do. Just because something isn't banned by the FDA doesn't mean it's safe, and likewise just because something is approved by the FDA doesn't mean it's safe. Plenty of FDA approved things have resulted in deaths.



Hey, the number of posts I have here is irrelevant. And for the record, I've been here since 2000 although I was never really a post whore. There are many who have a vested interest in dismissing solid protocols that are completely non patentable. Whose talking cancer here? ToiletDuk and the American Cancer Society are. And you're talking cancer and uranium??? What is your malfunction man? Who the hell ingests uranium??? Inflammation drives cancer and epigenetics kick genetics in the ass. Genetics predispose you and epigenetics flip the switches, switches, plural. There are way better protocols to use against cancer my friend. And you'd be preaching to the choir when it comes to telling me there are unsafe protocols and medications remaining out there.

As slow as you claim the FDA is in removing chelation from use it takes decades for protocols and even MEDICAL CONDITIONS to be adopted and recognized.

Go away...

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous said:
The difference is the evidence of treatments which work, vs those that don't work.


You're pushing something that's been proven not to work.  I don't understand why you refuse to credit scientific papers and designed studies.


Yet you use anecdotes and youtube clips to support your claims.



You prove to me that it's been disproven because I know damn well if it had been disproved as you claim, it would have been stopped long ago. Instead it has been used for over two decades, going on three and more and more MD's are being trained to apply it.

I want scientific evidence it's deadly and all the data saying it kills people. This should be extremely easy for you to do. You've obviously read it5 in order to speak with authority. There isn't a single standard protocol that works for the conditions chelation treats that are effective in any meaningful way.

There is no way in hell the FDA would ever allow such a controversial(based on the behavior of  all three of you)treatment to remain available for use. Everyone in the loop hates chelation because they know.... THEY KNOW THE TRUTH... And the FDA was provided the proof and made the decision to approve it's use. Nuff said...

I want to see these studies you have... You talk as if you're armed to the teeth.

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
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You seem to have some serious psychiatric illness.

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous said:
You seem to have some serious psychiatric illness.



I knew you didn't have a single study available. You're an anon so it doesn't surprise me in the least. When all else fails adhom...

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
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You do a good job of putting mental blinders on to prevent your ego from being crushed.


If you're unaware of the dangers of chelation then you clearly lack basic physiologic and pharmacologic education.

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous said:
You do a good job of putting mental blinders on to prevent your ego from being crushed.


If you're unaware of the dangers of chelation then you clearly lack basic physiologic and pharmacologic education.



You're wild... You don't even try to hide who you are by changing your use of language. Majid Ali is one of the greatest minds in medical science, he's a pioneer in many areas and considered one of the top pathologists in the world according to JAMA. I'm going to believe you over a man who was credited with completing Otto Warburgs work? Again, JAMA's words not my praise.

You're quite the Asshat spoofer... I've sh*t all over you in  every single debate we've had which just goes to show everyone who has the blinders on medical student.

There's something wrong with you. You emotionally arrested, like a little child. You can't stand being wrong which is why you accused me of wanting to always be right in private message! That was a hilarious accusation! You basically admitted I was always right without even realizing it... I think that's called a Freudian slip...

You've been the easiest medical "professional" with a small p I've ever mixed it up with. I swear this is true. You a waste of my time...

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
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Hey, it's approved by the FDA

The FDA has approved it to treat lead poisoning only. Not cancer or anything else. :shrug:

and if there was a problem they would have stopped it pronto.

They DID stop it pronto, as you say, for for off-label OTC treatments:

Quote:
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today warned eight companies that their over-the-counter (OTC) chelation products are unapproved drugs and devices and that it is a violation of federal law to make unproven claims about these products. There are no FDA-approved OTC chelation products.

The companies that received the warning letters claim that their products treat a range of diseases by removing toxic metals from the body. Some also claim to treat autism spectrum disorder, cardiovascular diseases, Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s disease, macular degeneration, and other serious conditions. Some companies that received the warning letters also claim their products will detect the presence of heavy metals to justify the need for chelation therapy.

In addition, there are serious safety issues associated with chelation products, which can alter the levels of certain substances in the blood.  Even when used under medical supervision, these products can cause serious harm, including dehydration, kidney failure, and death.



http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm229320.htm

Your implication that because it's FDA-approved its harmless and treats cancer is unfounded.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Hey, it's approved by the FDA

The FDA has approved it to treat lead poisoning only. Not cancer or anything else. :shrug:

and if there was a problem they would have stopped it pronto.

They DID stop it pronto, as you say, for for off-label OTC treatments:

Quote:
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today warned eight companies that their over-the-counter (OTC) chelation products are unapproved drugs and devices and that it is a violation of federal law to make unproven claims about these products. There are no FDA-approved OTC chelation products.

The companies that received the warning letters claim that their products treat a range of diseases by removing toxic metals from the body. Some also claim to treat autism spectrum disorder, cardiovascular diseases, Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s disease, macular degeneration, and other serious conditions. Some companies that received the warning letters also claim their products will detect the presence of heavy metals to justify the need for chelation therapy.

In addition, there are serious safety issues associated with chelation products, which can alter the levels of certain substances in the blood.  Even when used under medical supervision, these products can cause serious harm, including dehydration, kidney failure, and death.



http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm229320.htm

Your implication that because it's FDA-approved its harmless and treats cancer is unfounded.





He's too egotistical to come to terms with this.

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Hey, it's approved by the FDA

The FDA has approved it to treat lead poisoning only. Not cancer or anything else. :shrug:

and if there was a problem they would have stopped it pronto.

They DID stop it pronto, as you say, for for off-label OTC treatments:

Quote:
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today warned eight companies that their over-the-counter (OTC) chelation products are unapproved drugs and devices and that it is a violation of federal law to make unproven claims about these products. There are no FDA-approved OTC chelation products.

The companies that received the warning letters claim that their products treat a range of diseases by removing toxic metals from the body. Some also claim to treat autism spectrum disorder, cardiovascular diseases, Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s disease, macular degeneration, and other serious conditions. Some companies that received the warning letters also claim their products will detect the presence of heavy metals to justify the need for chelation therapy.

In addition, there are serious safety issues associated with chelation products, which can alter the levels of certain substances in the blood.  Even when used under medical supervision, these products can cause serious harm, including dehydration, kidney failure, and death.



http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm229320.htm

Your implication that because it's FDA-approved its harmless and treats cancer is unfounded.



Well I've read the FDA bulletin and it's talking about an oral chelating product and IF you actually watched the videos instead of just coming to the rescue of the spoofer you would have known he mentioned that particular oral chelators are dangerous because they pull mercury too quickly but you were just in a rush to stand tall for the wanna be MD. I nor Dr Ali said anything about "treating" cancer so I'm not quite sure where this is coming from. There are much more dynamic kick ass protocols used for cancer. He did say it did have energetic properties and if he said it has these properties I'm going to completely trust him. But all of what you posted in no way discredits intravenous protocols, this prevents "COMPANIES" meaning businesses from selling a product that is well known for causing problems. So your point is pointless. Nice try anyway... And if you think it's only capable of pulling lead ask yourself why there's the potential to create arrhythmia? Seriously, you've always had a thing for me. I'm not quite sure exactly what it was but you were very open about it. I'm really sorry you feel this way Diploid.

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
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Emmanuel Goldstein said:
Seriously, you've always had a thing for me.





Someone's got a bit of paranoid tendencies.  Lay off  the meth.

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Re: Danger!!! Chelation Will Kill You! [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
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Do you know what a straw man argument is? Look it up.

You're making shit up that I didn't say, claiming that I said it, then shooting it down as if that makes your argument valid.

if he said it has these properties I'm going to completely trust him

Do you know what an Appeal to Authority is? Look it up.

You are free to believe what you want, but one guy making claims that are not well supported and expressly disavowed by FDA don't make his claims true. What's funny is that first you wave around FDA approval as validation, then when it's pointed out to you that the FDA's approval is only for lead therapy, you suddenly stop waving it around and disavow it.

You can't have it both ways. That's the definition of Selection Bias (look it up) by a closed mind. Evidence that supports your position is good, evidence that undermines your position is ignored. The intellectually honest person accepts all the evidence, not just the bits he likes.

but you were just in a rush to stand tall for the wanna be MD.

Oh now you read minds and know my motivations from one post containing nothing but facts substantiated with links to FDA publications.

You're not helping your case with these personal attacks.

Seriously, you've always had a thing for me

I don't have the first clue who the fuck you are. I don't remember screen names well. Did I ban you or something? Sounds like a persecution complex. You can get help for that.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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