the spiral said:

Gilgamesh18 said:

Very few people can do the Goldman Sachs guys job. Technical analysis of the market is no joke if it was as easy as selling falafals on the corner everyone would be doing it. Wages reflect the complexity of the work being done. If you penalize the people who pay the most in taxes give the most to charity and overall contribute the most financially to society you will soon have an inferior and failing society.

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I agree with you, in part.  Enron, Lehman Brothers, all the credit default swap nonsense and the subprime mortgage scams - all those things take a particular type of person to think up.  That kind of person lacks the integrity of the guy from whom I buy falafal.

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zappaisgod said:

the spiral said:

Gilgamesh18 said:

Very few people can do the Goldman Sachs guys job. Technical analysis of the market is no joke if it was as easy as selling falafals on the corner everyone would be doing it. Wages reflect the complexity of the work being done. If you penalize the people who pay the most in taxes give the most to charity and overall contribute the most financially to society you will soon have an inferior and failing society.

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I agree with you, in part.  Enron, Lehman Brothers, all the credit default swap nonsense and the subprime mortgage scams - all those things take a particular type of person to think up.  That kind of person lacks the integrity of the guy from whom I buy falafal.

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There is nothing wrong with credit default swaps.  They are insurance in case borrowers default.  The only subprime mortgage scams were by the government, which forced it, and by the borrowers who defaulted.  There is no such thing as predatory lending, only predatory borrowing, i.e. borrowing money you know you cannot afford to pay back.  That is real predation right there.

The financial industry is the most heavily scrutinized industry in the country.  It is the most ethical and honest business there is.  Every industry has its share of crooks and that most certainly includes medicine and education.  Enron isn't even Wall Street, it was an energy company.  Do you know what else was an energy company?  Solyndra.  Do you know how much tax money was lost in the Enron scandal?  Zero.  Do you know how much tax money was lost to Solyndra?  About half a billion dollars.  Do you know why Lehman went down?  Bums didn't repay their loans.

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the spiral said:

zappa - when was the last time you gave enough of a fuck to find out how much college costs right now?  Saying that people who don't go to college because they can't afford tens of thousands of dollars per year in tuition are somehow lesser than those whose parents can afford that is not just classist, it's sickening.

Only willful blindness to the plight of people who aren't born with major opportunities can allow you to maintain a social philosophy that is as Randian as yours. 

Are the Romney/Ryan team burning the rest of Sheldon Adelson's cash by hacking shroomery accounts to post these sorts of arguments?  America is NOT a meritocracy anymore, and it actually never was.  Some people are born with advantages, some are born without, and scientific and stastitical analysis has shown over and over that these advantages are passed down through families and have absolutely nothing to do with any measure of intelligence or "ambition".

I'd bet a lot of money that if we did a study, we'd find that the average guy who sells falafals on a street corner in NYC spends more hours and effort working than the guys on the 30th floor at Goldman Sachs (who buy the schwarma and falafals), despite making 1/30th the income.  The banker gets to go home early and snort coke off a hooker's ass, while the street vendor is busy busting his OWN ass to make enough money to scrape  by - and if he's lucky, send his kid to college on an enormously generous football scholarship.  In that case, he'd be the LUCKY one. 

This is so twisted.  I guess I expected a more nuanced and enlightened worldview from people who visit a site like this, but hell, it's the internet, and entitled assholes will be entitled assholes. 

If you were born in the Congo with no access to clean running water, do you honestly think you'd be sitting at a computer typing on a mushroom website today?  I'm truly curious?!?

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zappaisgod said:

the spiral said:

Gilgamesh18 said:

Very few people can do the Goldman Sachs guys job. Technical analysis of the market is no joke if it was as easy as selling falafals on the corner everyone would be doing it. Wages reflect the complexity of the work being done. If you penalize the people who pay the most in taxes give the most to charity and overall contribute the most financially to society you will soon have an inferior and failing society.

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I agree with you, in part.  Enron, Lehman Brothers, all the credit default swap nonsense and the subprime mortgage scams - all those things take a particular type of person to think up.  That kind of person lacks the integrity of the guy from whom I buy falafal.

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There is nothing wrong with credit default swaps.  They are insurance in case borrowers default.  The only subprime mortgage scams were by the government, which forced it, and by the borrowers who defaulted.  There is no such thing as predatory lending, only predatory borrowing, i.e. borrowing money you know you cannot afford to pay back.  That is real predation right there.

The financial industry is the most heavily scrutinized industry in the country.  It is the most ethical and honest business there is.  Every industry has its share of crooks and that most certainly includes medicine and education.  Enron isn't even Wall Street, it was an energy company.  Do you know what else was an energy company?  Solyndra.  Do you know how much tax money was lost in the Enron scandal?  Zero.  Do you know how much tax money was lost to Solyndra?  About half a billion dollars.  Do you know why Lehman went down?  Bums didn't repay their loans.

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imachavel said:

zappaisgod said:

the spiral said:

Gilgamesh18 said:

Very few people can do the Goldman Sachs guys job. Technical analysis of the market is no joke if it was as easy as selling falafals on the corner everyone would be doing it. Wages reflect the complexity of the work being done. If you penalize the people who pay the most in taxes give the most to charity and overall contribute the most financially to society you will soon have an inferior and failing society.

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I agree with you, in part.  Enron, Lehman Brothers, all the credit default swap nonsense and the subprime mortgage scams - all those things take a particular type of person to think up.  That kind of person lacks the integrity of the guy from whom I buy falafal.

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There is nothing wrong with credit default swaps.  They are insurance in case borrowers default.  The only subprime mortgage scams were by the government, which forced it, and by the borrowers who defaulted.  There is no such thing as predatory lending, only predatory borrowing, i.e. borrowing money you know you cannot afford to pay back.  That is real predation right there.

The financial industry is the most heavily scrutinized industry in the country.  It is the most ethical and honest business there is.  Every industry has its share of crooks and that most certainly includes medicine and education.  Enron isn't even Wall Street, it was an energy company.  Do you know what else was an energy company?  Solyndra.  Do you know how much tax money was lost in the Enron scandal?  Zero.  Do you know how much tax money was lost to Solyndra?  About half a billion dollars.  Do you know why Lehman went down?  Bums didn't repay their loans.

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Wait so there is nothing wrong with credit swaps that are defaulted? Oh wait I re arranged those words. I though you said it was the fault of government policies that forced banks to loan to bums. Now you are saying its ok to loan to bums?

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imachavel said:

the spiral said:

zappa - when was the last time you gave enough of a fuck to find out how much college costs right now?  Saying that people who don't go to college because they can't afford tens of thousands of dollars per year in tuition are somehow lesser than those whose parents can afford that is not just classist, it's sickening.

Only willful blindness to the plight of people who aren't born with major opportunities can allow you to maintain a social philosophy that is as Randian as yours. 

Are the Romney/Ryan team burning the rest of Sheldon Adelson's cash by hacking shroomery accounts to post these sorts of arguments?  America is NOT a meritocracy anymore, and it actually never was.  Some people are born with advantages, some are born without, and scientific and stastitical analysis has shown over and over that these advantages are passed down through families and have absolutely nothing to do with any measure of intelligence or "ambition".

I'd bet a lot of money that if we did a study, we'd find that the average guy who sells falafals on a street corner in NYC spends more hours and effort working than the guys on the 30th floor at Goldman Sachs (who buy the schwarma and falafals), despite making 1/30th the income.  The banker gets to go home early and snort coke off a hooker's ass, while the street vendor is busy busting his OWN ass to make enough money to scrape  by - and if he's lucky, send his kid to college on an enormously generous football scholarship.  In that case, he'd be the LUCKY one. 

This is so twisted.  I guess I expected a more nuanced and enlightened worldview from people who visit a site like this, but hell, it's the internet, and entitled assholes will be entitled assholes. 

If you were born in the Congo with no access to clean running water, do you honestly think you'd be sitting at a computer typing on a mushroom website today?  I'm truly curious?!?

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Whos argueing that? Zappa said rich people built the country. That much is true. People who busted their ass, got rich, then banks RAKE in cash. Without the rich, thered be no banks. College is expensive? It fucking should be. Strange theres a few classes I could go take right now that would cost me less then $600 each class. Thats pretty damn cheap. Also whats the point of education if everybody is fucking illiterate.

For MONTHS before Obamas election I bitched about the federal deficit spending and Obama raising up the federal debt to 16 trillion, and all the winey liberals cried "its George Bushs fault, the George Bush tax cuts havent expired". If people could fucking read theyd know better. Why should people go to school if they are fucking illiterate? Have you noticed something the last week? This fiscal cliff and small business promotion shit is all over t.v. It seems after Obama won smart people decided with the national crisis looming its wise to assume the government is going to slash the budget by trillions or raise taxes on every class by major percentages.

Did I vote for the fuck? No. Do I have the IQ of Stephen Hawkings? No. Can I fucking read? Absolutely. I predicted this shit like Nostradamus, now its blowing up in my face

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schwarg said:

This has nothing to do with left wing politics, you believe the guy had no part in ANY of the shit that went down under his watch?

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Smokey420 said:

Reagan was the worst of the shitty presidents, which is all of them. Glad the pig is dead.

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zappaisgod said:

schwarg said:

This has nothing to do with left wing politics, you believe the guy had no part in ANY of the shit that went down under his watch?

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What shit are you referring to?

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zappaisgod said:

Smokey420 said:

Reagan was the worst of the shitty presidents, which is all of them. Glad the pig is dead.

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Shouldn't you just be smoking dope and not worrying about what the people with brains are doing?

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