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Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise?
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I'm not sure. It seems to me that more and more people are looking for entheogenic experience. It doesn't take as much searching as it used to, to find the substances.

What do you guys think?


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Jackal]
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I think your right, it has moved out of the realms of hippys and witches
to take in a whole range of folk. Herbalisum is on the rise and growing :-) imo


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Paid]
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I hope so.  Speaking from a US-centric point of view, the more we have responsible cultivator and users, the sooner the government will loose ground on the war on drugs.  They want you to believe all drug trade supports terrorism.  George W. doesn't want the masses knowing that the attorney at the end of the block also grows some of the dankest Sativas in her state.  Congress doesn't want to hear a single mother of 3 who runs her own business out of her home also has a small grow of cubensis going that she partakes of once or twice a month when her babysitter takes the kids for the night.  The last thing in the world present-day gov't wants the masses to know is that there is a huge difference between mature, responsible dosing of any given chemical or substance and that "law abiding, decent citizens" can't possibly do drugs in a positive and respectful way that doesn't involve gangs in some "inner city" or trafficing such goods for profit.  The more and more people who simply cultivate their own natural psychedelics (I emphasize this to differentiate other chemicals/compounds/molecules that need labs to properly isolate/synthesize them) and do so in respectful, non-intrusive ways...the sooner this stupid War On Drugs will go away and the the War On Ignorance can really begin.  Sorry Mr. Bush...while I'm sure a percentage of drug $$ may indeed ends up in some terrorists' hands, the majority of all the cultivators I have ever met/known were small-scale situations who grew solely for themselves and their friends to guarantee quality and safety of their goods.

The overall mentality in this country can be very depressing at times...instead of just simply allowing the freedom of an individual to do whatever they want TO THEMSELVES and write laws that bind those individuals to being responsible for their actions while on a drug they chose to dose...we instead "blame the sin" before "the sinner."  I truly believe that the US will one day follow the example of other countries who have either legalized or at least decriminalized "soft drugs."  How soon that will happen, I don't know.  Hopefully at some point in my lifetime...

Personally I simply don't see why all drugs can't be legal.  I think addicts should be able to receive doses under monitored conditions.  I think if all drugs are legal they should be either Federally or State controlled.  If you make weed legal, I'll gladly buy them at a state-sanctioned weed shop.  And I'll gladly pay taxes on it too.  I would also support needing a license to grow my own; a license which would legally bind me to penalties if I sold my herb to minors. 

So many conservatives I've had the legalization conversation with tend to bring up this excuse for not legalizing: "If we legalize drugs, our country will simply become a wasteland of junkies and addicts."  You can tell only people who've never taken drugs or gotten to know a particular "drug culture" would say this.  The people in this country who would do any given drug, are ALREADY DOING it.  LOL  I'm sure if legalization occured there are people out there who'd be more willing to give it a try.  But other countries have shown that legalization does NOT increase usage nor increase in addiction rates among users.  It's as if conservatives fear that legalization would somehow send a message that NOBODY in the US will have a sense of morality or common sense with their usage.  You would think the entire Prohibition experience would have shown exactly why legalization DOES work!  Making drugs legal and being provided by safe, proper cultivators and laboratories will put to end the need for shady garage chemists and strangers looking to make money off users (and worse, addicts).  If you simply offer a safe supply, nobody's gonna run to the underground! 

You want to end violence over drugs??  LEGALIZE them!  The only violence I've ever witnessed over drugs was either someone too fucked up on a substance and started shit with other people (and isn't it amazing how alcohol, which is legal, lends itself to so much violence?) or people shooting back at DEA busts on TV.  If you end the "war"...both sides of the line will drop their weapons.  And simply creating laws binding individuals to being responsible for their actions while they're on any given drug will make users think twice if they don't learn to control themselves while dosed.

I guess it just comes down to the lemming-nature of older generations who were taught it was better to conform than to think things through.  Hopefully in a few more generations our law-makers and office-holders will be smart enough to realize generalizations no longer have merit in any social situation.  Responsibility falls on the shoulders of the individual 90% of the time.  If an individual is too young, or has a condition in which they cannot make rational decisions on their own, their guardians are responsible for their care.  How hard is that to understand?

Sorry for writing a tome...just had the urge to share some thoughts about the situation.  In closing I would simply say, regardless of the motivations of people who use any given substance, what truly matters is how those people act while they're on those substances.  As long as you don't intrude on the lives of other people around you while you're dosing...who the hell cares??  :smile:  I think I was born in the wrong country.  :smile:  At least in Holland I could actually marry my boyfriend and smoke weed at the reception.  Isn't that good enough?  It is for me...

Love & Light,

Boppity       

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Boppity604]
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ditto...except the whole marrying a boyfriend thing
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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Boppity604]
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that was an excellent rant, Boppity604


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Boppity604]
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the War On Ignorance can really begin

Isn't that an oxymoron. Fuck war, they throw that term around like a dodgeball. I like the term Oposition.

But I think the rise of ethnogen use correlates partially with the Internet. I mean, look at this place, Bouncing Bear and erowid. Without these places so many people wouldn't know that there is a spiritual side to psychedelics, or be as likely to obtain them. It's definitely on the rise and isn't it beautiful?


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: ArmFromTheAbyss]
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isn't it beautiful?




It is! Very!


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Jackal]
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Maybe, I guess it depends where you live and what you are exposed to. However there is still a plethora of negative and downright wrong information regarding Entheogens out there, that generally, it still has a negative aura surrounding it. Why do people still think acid is such a bad drug?? Some people classify it along with coke and heroin.This to me shows the ingnorace this country embraces as patriotism. One can only hope that in their lifetime, as well as mine, we will see a shift in the thinking of society. A shift towards acceptance, understanding and tolerance.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: soochi]
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acid is a bad drug because it stays in your spine for the rest of your life, and whenever you crack your back, some of it leaks out, and you have a flashback, where you imagine yourself as a glass of orange juice, and flip out when someone tries to lay you down because of a fear of spilling your orange juice everywhere :cool:

In all seriousness, if entheogens were legalized, and responsible, conclusive information was available about their effects, dangers, etc., I think it would be good for society, as very creative people previously unwilling to embark on the mysterious illegal experience of psychedelia would try it, come up with some amazing ideas, and stop voting for Bush :grin:

During our last trip, my friend asked me, "During his drug days, do you think George W. Bush ever ate mushrooms?" 

Me - "Hell no! You do not take mushrooms in your life and then behave like that.  No freakin way."

MY friend - "Exactly"!


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: soochi]
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Nice post Boppity.  :smile:  But it seems you don't have to go to Holland to marry your boyfriend or smoke some weed.  Canada is making great progress.  :wink:  Its Destination #1 for me when I am financially ready. 



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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: soochi]
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I was told once by some hard core right wingers(my mother and father) that there was a demon residing in the mushroom that had taken hold of me and was using me for his own sick, perverted and evil purposes. I responded, "Do demons teach the message of universal love?". That percentage of them that go to church every Sunday to be pumped full of god is still telling people the same lies as usual. They still believe strongly that Satan and his demons are out there and responsible for all the non conformity in the world. If it doesn't walk and talk like a brainwashed Jesus freak then it must be a demon. I do however live in one of the most church going places in the U.S. Though novelty is concressing even here. Business as usual, soon will no longer be an option. Things are definitely changing. Humanity will again be rocked in the cradle of the great horned mushroom goddess as it was before history began.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: PlantShaman]
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>>Canada is making great progress.  Its Destination #1 for me when I am financially ready.

Heh...ya...they're definitely making strides.  I think the more that other countries that the US relies on heavily for trade start to legalize...the US will have more pressue on its back.  I love how a few weeks ago Bush urged Canada not to decriminalize because the US would have to increase border patrols and searches.  POOR BABY BUSH!  Heaven forbid he should have to do MORE work with his war on drugs because other cultures and countries are waking up.  I'm so glad I didn't vote for him.  :smile:

Love & Light,

Boppity

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Noviseer]
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Noviseer said:
acid is a bad drug because it stays in your spine for the rest of your life, and whenever you crack your back, some of it leaks out, and you have a flashback, where you imagine yourself as a glass of orange juice, and flip out when someone tries to lay you down because of a fear of spilling your orange juice everywhere :cool:
 


haha, i was gettin ready to freak out there!

i agree that bush has made stupid choices in the war on drugs, and i also agree that he is losing the fight..


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: ChocolateMush]
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and i also agree that he is losing the fight..



And they will til the end of time. Drugs have existed since the creation of nature, and the only way to eradicate drugs and their usage from the entire planet is to destroy our planet. Despite their efforts, shrooms STILL grow (and have been doing for millions of years), along with lots of other plants. And as long as the demand for drugs is there, so will the labs/growers. If the government really cared for it's citizens, it would make sure that people aren't exposed to the black market, impure products and violence. Wouldn't it be nice that your citizens could go to a shop and purchase UNCUT and UNLACED drugs, without having to fear for their lives, and perhaps be exposed to an often very dangerous and greedy market?
You're worried about the children? Well, guess what? Thanks to prohibition, greedy/corrupt dealers can make a fortune by selling their wares to your school children (there's no age limit remember....and there's no tax either).
On the news the other day, they were talking about some kind of wonder drug that would help some kind of health problem (I think to do with drinking) and they also mentioned that thousands a year die from alcohol related diseases and obsesity, and that alcohol is linked to more than 60 diseases. It boggles the mind doesn't it? No wonder so many people are confused when it comes to drugs - some of the biggest killers are legal and advertised and sold like they're the safest thing around.
The sad thing is some people actually believe alcohol is far safer than using illicit drugs.

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Sheepish]
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They won't legalize marijuana till it has killed someone

-Bill Mahr.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Boppity604]
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Boppity604 said:
I think the more that other countries that the US relies on heavily for trade start to legalize...the US will have more pressue on its back.


Things are starting to move forward in the UK. Cannabis possession will soon not be an arrestable offence, and their are many people calling for the legalisation of possession and culitvation for personal use (that'd really fuck the big time dealers and importers :laugh:)!

I wonder how the US government will react as its closest (*shudder*) ally moves closer to legalising weed?


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Edited by tooky (07/04/03 05:03 AM)

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: tooky]
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tooky said:
Things are starting to move forward in the UK. Cannabis possession will soon not be an arrestable offence, and their are many people calling for the legalisation of possession and culitvation for personal use (that'd really fuck the big time dealers and importers :laugh:)!


In my opinion, that latter point -- fucking the dealers and the importers -- is one of the strongest arguments for legalizing cultivation.  Low prices, safer, surer product, and who the fuck is gonna get violent about something anyone could grow?

I'm not sure how the US is going to react to further relaxation of the laws in Canada.  SOme people've talked about trade sanctions, and it's certainly going to make it harder to get into the States, or back into the States, from there, but I think that the US will be ovearwhelmed as countries start to return to sanity. 


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: tooky]
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Things are starting to move forward in the UK. Cannabis possession will soon not be an arrestable offence, and their are many people calling for the legalisation of possession and culitvation for personal use

I think Blunkett has gone as far as he ever intends to go. He's stated he has no intention of legalising it and with a "New Labour" government that's furthur to the right than Thatcher I can't see legalising happening.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Boppity604]
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come on we all know drugs are bad ! and these hardened criminals
need to be locked away with child molesters !

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Jackal]
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I don't see an increase in psychedelic use here in Los Angeles, but that doesn't mean psychedelic use isn't increasing here :wink:

Call me a pessimist, but I think we're screwed unless we get some more mckennas or something who will stand up and "promote" these substances with a loud (even if a bit insane.. :wink: ) voice


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Strumpling]
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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Strumpling]
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mckenna spoke at very renowned private high school in ohio a few years ago and really enlightened many students/faculty who held many preconceived notions concerning psychadelics. indeed, we need more minds untiting to push for legalization or else it will never happen. middle america needs to be convinced before the government will ever consider the idea...


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: dpc2424]
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that guy sounded like a retarded crackhead hopefully we'll have someone more intelligent to replace him like a politician or wood cutter.

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: dilatedcreature]
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Yeah...while i respect mckenna, He was WAY too out there for most people, especially the "unenlightened" or those who hadnt had a psychedelic experience. Dilated is right, we need people that the public can relate too and doesnt seem like a crazy freak fucked in the head by drug abuse...Think johnny depp..we need more like him.

It seems like most of the famous psychedelic guru's so to say..Mckenna, leary, ram das, hunter s thompson..etc. Theyre all a bit too weird to be taken seriously by "normals" the brainwashed people.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: PDU]
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I see what you're saying but I don't think anybody is willing to do the type of work that these guys did unless they're a bit twisted


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: PDU]
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I think there's been a pretty massive increase in the use of magic mushrooms in the UK, simply because over the last year or two it's been possible to buy mycelium cakes and grow large quantities of your own within 2 weeks - no messing around with syringes and spores.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Strumpling]
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I agree with you. They're just not exactly the best examples to promote drugs, because they are seen as so changed by drugs. Its too bad...But ive heard of a few actors endorsing tripping, the odd comedian, etc...Even doctors, so it seems like prominent people who can gain a respectable following are starting to spread the truth and more and more people will be aware of psychedelics and there effects, and seeking them out.

I cant really see the US government ever turning back on the drug war, theyve spread out WAY too much misinformation for the last 60 or so years, if people found out that everything they know pretaining to drugs is wrong...they might start questioning the authority, and that just wouldnt be good for the government. But thats beside the point.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: PDU]
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Things will change. For thousands of years drugs were legal, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the last 70 years is just an short-term abberation.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Strumpling]
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Strumpling said:
I see what you're saying but I don't think anybody is willing to do the type of work that these guys did unless they're a bit twisted


Ya, the closest we've had to a "credible" guru is Bill Hicks.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Xlea321]
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That's one thing that always amazes me. How thousands of years of opinions about drugs can be changed in a matter on a few decades with propaganda. I'm guessing most "common folk" have no idea that opium dens once scattered this country and high class people from every where were getting opiated. I think the main problem drug legalization faces is the masses of people who will believe any bullshit spewed forth by their precious America.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Cherk]
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what I wonder is, why did the US start this goddamn war? they really have nothing to gain.

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
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Entheogens make you think. Anything that makes individuals think is deemed a threat by those in power.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Cherk]
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Good point. You could buy heroin over the counter 100 years ago, people used it as they would use aspirin today. Was there devastation and misery in the streets? Were 10 year old selling their bodies for their next hit? Of course not. What good has 80 years of prohibition done?

In 1968 when heroin could be legally prescribed by doctors in the UK there were 500 heroin addicts in the country, after 35 years of prohibition there are 500,000.

Legalisation of every drug is the only sane choice.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Strumpling]
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I don't think Entheogen use , true entheogen use , is on the rise I think right now there are just more people that are not serious about what these plants are about, remember Entheogen means "'becoming divine within"

En = Within, Inner
Theo = Divine, God
Gen = Becoming, Creating

Entheogens are not for video games ,or even movies in my opinion they're to connect with the "whole" and even if its a trip to heal, or just have fun their are better way to have fun than wasting a powerful shroom experience, go seeking , you will find something!

Edited by Psilocybeingzz (05/23/07 01:03 PM)

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
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Faaip_De_Oiad said:
what I wonder is, why did the US start this goddamn war? they really have nothing to gain. 


Because drugs are EVIL.  Because having fun is EVIL.  Because questioning authority and the world around you is EVIL.

You have to remember that for the most part, America started out with very puritan roots -- these're people who think dancing is evil.  Not the founders of the country, of course -- they were all properly normal freaks, adulterers, deists, atheists, beer-drinkers and pot-smokers.  :wink:  But the common masses aren't like that.  Remember, this is the country that outlawed -alcohol- for a time, the single most common and socially acceptable drug ever.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
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Psilocybeingzz said:
I dont think Entheogen use , true entheogen use , is on the rise < I think right now there are just more people that are unserious about what these plants are about, remember Entheogen means "'becoming divine within"


I think it depends. Without the internet, I would have never have known about the powers of entheogens and all the different uses, culture, effects, heath dangers/benefits, availability. Because of this, I, and I'm sure many others, are able to use them to grow in many ways. Having access to this information enables me to undo all the drug misinformation that has been drilled into me. Without it, I'd probably feel guilty for doing something that is a natural part of exploring life. In that sense, I?m someone who would have never used entheogens. To me, the internet is like a Leary, Hicks, McKenna, etc?

There are also a lot of people who are just looking to "get fucked up". I can?t really judge it, but of course that?s not using entheogens respectfully. At least they?ll get information to keep themselves safe. And just maybe, that kid who is taking MDMA to ?roll fucking ballz? will feel a connection to others and become interested in how to achieve that naturally. I certainly see a rise in people who are educated about this stuff, but I still think there is a long way to go.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Twirling]
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I was reading on MAPS about the WestMinister Hospital which turned leary and many many others ON with Sandoz Acid until 1976 (i think) right here in BC. The main dude over at MAPS is trying to get the files released to the public to show LSD's effects on addiction/depression and its psychological benefits...Basically he wants to prove that there are very valid medical reasons to use LSD in a clinical setting.

(i know lsd isnt an entheogen) but once people realize that substances such as LSD are condoned or at least realized as a beneficial substance opinions about entheogens and all sorts of things will start changing. People will want to naturally change their negative mindsets through natural alleys rather than through powerful mindadultering drugs such as prozac. Or cure addictions rather than takign a dialy dose of methadone...

The comparison needs to be made, that certain perscription drugs are much more powerful mind altering drugs than entheogens, and that entheogens are the lesser evil to the two.

Someone said earlier about the rise in herbal suplement use and herbal healing...Entheogen "relief" is surly a next step.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: dilatedcreature]
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[terence mckenna] sounded like a retarded crackhead hopefully we'll have someone more intelligent to replace him like a politician or wood cutter. 



I very strongly disagree with that statement. :mad2:


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Noviseer]
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Noviseer said:
dilatedcreature said:
[terence mckenna] sounded like a retarded crackhead hopefully we'll have someone more intelligent to replace him like a politician or wood cutter. 


Disagree all you want, terrence was smart, and fucking quacky. If you tried to get a non psychedelic user to try and even comprehend half of what he had to say they would laugh at you and use him as an example proving that drugs make you crazy!

Terrence was WAY too out there to be

I very strongly disagree with that statement. :mad2: 


Disagree all you want, terrence was smart, and fucking quacky. If you tried to get a non psychedelic user to try and even comprehend half of what he had to say they would laugh at you and use him as an example proving that drugs make you crazy!

Terrence was WAY too out there to be campaigning for psychedelics.

Whoever said Bill Hicks is the best psychedelic guru (think psychedelic endorser) is right. At least Bill could be seen as normal, and the rest of the world could relate to him and what he had to say.

Try explaining Alien love to a normal person, you'll get laughed at...just like Mckenna. 


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Noviseer]
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I think you mistake what he means by that Noviseer, what I think he meant was that people didn't respect him as a person because he seemed too odd, and was "just another junkie" to the general public, so no one listened to him, what we need is someone already respected to get up and speak about the benefits of drugs... what we need people, is:



CHARLTON HESTON!!!!!!!

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
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You would probably be amazed at how many "normal" people use various drugs that live productive lives. It's the idiots who do stupid stuff that wreck it for the rest of us. I don't care how "safe" it is, you should NEVER drive while under the influence of anything. I know that many of you say "smoking Herb makes me a safer driver." Well just think that someone happens to run into you while you're high. It would be YOUR fault because you are HIGH! Americans in general never want to take the blame for themselves, they blame whatever makes them feel better.

This is what our gov't says: Don't smoke marijuana, it kills brain cells, and makes you become addicted to heroine. Drink some booze instead, it'll might make you become an alcoholic, probably beat your family members, and die a slow painful death (but at least we'll get money from your addiction).


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Funguy]
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Funguy said:
Drink some booze instead, it'll might make you become an alcoholic, probably beat your family members, and die a slow painful death (but at least we'll get money from your addiction).


I wonder what percentage of alcohol users become dependant...probably not a whole hell of alot. I also wonder how many beat their family members, certainly not enough to say that if you drink some booze you'll probably beat your family or die slow and painfully. The above statement was as much propaganda as the US's information about LSD.

To overcome this war we need information all around, correct information, not misinformation. If people are truly educated they will not experiment and not be surpressed. The TRUTH is the only thing thats needed to win this war, we just need influential people to spread it, more influential than the government and right wing media.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
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I see your point and I agree, i just think a retarded crackhead would sound slightly less eloquent than Terence McKenna did  :cool:


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Noviseer]
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I always thought Terence McKenna was talking to intelligent people who already use psychadelics(mainly psilocybin and DMT). I didnt think he was talking to people who dont use drugs, or trying to 'get followers'. He wasnt a guru. He wasnt hard to understand in the least. He never sounded 'crazy' or 'looney' to me. He always sounded very intelligent and was well spoken. I had no trouble understanding some of his more esoteric ideas or theories. He was also always personally against anything but 'quality rhetoric' when it came to psychadelic discussion.

Edit: I must say though that when I first started listening to and reading him, I did find some of his theories 'out there' a bit. However after hearing his reasoning behind his logic, I really understood how he came to a lot of those conclusions. He was very good at explaining his stuff, if you take it at face value without listening to his explanations, it will sound crazy(especially if youve never done any psychadelic drugs). That was the point I think.

Edited by lateralus (07/06/03 08:57 PM)

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: lateralus]
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I'm sorry, I did jump the gun a bit. What I meant was that the gov't says that (insert drug here) is bad, yet they pawn a drug that can be as bad. Speaking of telling the truth, some doctors are giving good info to those that ask. They don't go around willy-nilly talking about the safety of certain drugs because I'm sure they would lose business.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Funguy]
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>>If you tried to get a non psychedelic user to try and even comprehend half of what he had to say they would laugh at you and use him as an example proving that drugs make you crazy!

And only an addict who empowers their drugs to contain external "wisdom" would think that sober people can't think as deeply as someone who takes psychedelics.

Love & Light,

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Boppity604]
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To answer the main question of this...I personally think that Entheogen's are getting more and more popular.
This can be good and bad because there are mainly two kinds of Entheogen users out there. There are the ones who just want to get fucked up and talk about it, then there are the ones who use drugs responcibly and have a "normal" life. It is the former class who messes everything up for the responcible users. They are the ones who will go out and OD or go driving under the influence of some drug. They are irresponcible and retarded in my opinion. These are the only people that the government will focus on and point their fingers at and say "look drugs are bad." You can give 9 reasons and examples why a drug is not bad and it causes no problems at all but there is always the 1 senario that it is bad and causes bad things to happen. As long as there are is that 1 senario/example/case the war on drugs will continue. I believe in order to win the war we do not need to fight the government because they will always push back and we will never win. In order to win this war we must look upon ourselves and attck the people that "just want to get fucked up" and do stupid stuff. The less people like that there are the easier this whole war thing is going to be.
So instead of trying to make drugs look cool make them look like a tool. A tool to achieving a higher self (no pun intended). Young kids want to be cool and if they see older kids doing drugs in a cool manner and people that promote this coolness they will do the same thing. Unfortunatly this is one of the main reasons any people start to do drugs in the forst place. In early teen years these people are very rebilious and they want to defy everything. Since the government, and most of the time your parents, say not to do drugs that is exactly why they are going to do them. And because they are doing something illegal this boosts their ego and makes them feel cool. Now i hope most people grow out of this stage and become responcible users but this is not the case for many people. A lot of the time these people get older and have access to more and more drugs than just pot most of the time. In order to seem more cool they have to do more drugs (both quantity and variety). I think that most of the time this leads to addiction, OD or you just do something stupid and mess your life up.
A question I have is how do we get these "cool" people to get out of this stage and become a responcible, recreational Entheogen user? I suppose there are many answers to this question and i feel it is our job to figure out these answers and go and make it happen. I will create a thread on this topic, if you wish to share yout thoughts please feel free to do so.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: crazycanadian]
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I actually had this conversation with a cop I know the other day. He gave me reasons why it should be illegal, he said because I've never been with him down to Washington st. and seen all the crackheads living in a 1bdrm house with shit all over the floor and walls. I told him he had never been to a good bar where there were 4 people passed out from abusing the sauce.

What it came down to, he said bottom line. It's illegal, that's whats wrong with it. According to him "If you do something illegal, you spit in the face of the very country you live in, you spit at your government, and if that is how you feel, you should find another country to live in, where it is legal"

A day later he was telling me about all the warez he just got from his friend. People have bad views of drugs, everyone feels like anyone who tries a drug (any drug) will end up just like the worst crack addict you can picture. No one seems to care that you can have a life changing experience, find religion, or simply escape a painful reality for a few minuites without going on a crack binge. It's all information, or the distorion of information. One day maybe the world will open up it's closed mind and see that drugs are not evil, they can be misused just like anything else.




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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: polarity]
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I dont think the whole part about spitting in your countries face thing is correct. I dont agree with it. You cannot apply that as a general statement. if i am breaking the law by going 20mph over the speed limit i am certainly not spitting in my countries face.
disagreeing with a law is neither wrong nor bad. isnt that what democracy is all about? if the people dont like it then it should change. and how is the government going to know if the people dont like it unless they show them by breaking it or by telling them. and since the government obviously doesnt listen anymore they only way to show them is to break the law and not conform to something you do not agree with

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: polarity]
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polarity said:
What it came down to, he said bottom line. It's illegal, that's whats wrong with it. According to him "If you do something illegal, you spit in the face of the very country you live in, you spit at your government, and if that is how you feel, you should find another country to live in, where it is legal"


So I'm guessing that the Boston Tea Party was just a bunch of men in wigs sipping tea, discussing allegiance to the Queen?


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: crazycanadian]
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I think that the real problem is that the majority of psychedelic users
just want to get 'fucked up.'  Most people I know that that have shroomed don't consider a trip to be a mystical experience, or mayby simply are reserved to talk about it. 

When I inform people about psychedelics, the first thing I tell them is
that the experience can't be described as a high, but must be seen as an intense fascinating journey in the realms of your own mind. (and the universe)  Most people think this sounds way too 'new-age' and don't wanna hear it. 

So I guess the most important thing for all of us is to try to convince as many people as possible about the beauty of a psychedelic experience (in proper words :smile: as hard as it may be) and the lack of any negative side-effects.  When you tell people psychedelics have only made your life 'richer,' then they'll probably give it a thought. 

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: polarity]
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"If you do something illegal, you spit in the face of the very country you live in, you spit at your government, and if that is how you feel, you should find another country to live in, where it is legal"

this makes me want to take a shit on the white house lawn....

THE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE GOVERNMENT!!! THE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THEIR GOVERNMENT!!! IF YOU MAKE A FUCKING SUBSTANCE ILLEGAL, YOU ARE SPITTING IN THE FACE OF THE PEOPLE YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO CONTROL, AND THEY WON'T FUCKING LIKE IT ONE BIT!!

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Calimero]
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I'm not agreeing with him, I'm just telling you what some of the law officals (at least around here) belive.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: polarity]
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Yeah, I was commenting on the law official?s ignorance. I have the same sentiment as you do.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Twirling]
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I agree that we need to tell more people about the positive things (the beauty) about Entheogen drugs. But I agree that most people dont want to hear this stuff unless they are an experianced Entheogen user. Imagin when you first started doing drugs, would you want people oming up to you and talking about how elightening they are and beautiful? No i dont think so. You think drugs are cool and you just want to do them and get fucked up. Most of this thinking comes from media like MTV and all that stuff. It also comes from the fact that it is illegal.

So many people point out the problems and how to solve them but none have the drive to go out and do anything.

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: crazycanadian]
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Crazy: great point. Until this weekend all any drug I took seemed to do was 'get me fucked up' regaurdless of my intentions. For a while that's all I was interested in and the only reason I got into them. Went through a hard time in my life and decided 'hey, i could take something that would make me forget for a while' (it happened to be x at the time) and I did. Took it, forgot about the pain. Took it again, once again pain gone. How about other drugs. Moved on to trying other things. Before that I was completly anti-drug. I thought drugs were evil and anyone who used them was just an idiot. I never looked at the positive side. Whoever you are when you look up facts on drugs, you are normally going to find the info you want to see.

If you want reassurance that drugs are evil satanic little things, it's very easy to find. If you want to know that taking this drug is not going to make your brain melt into a pile of goo.. It's out there. Or finally if you want info that tells you that drugs will make you smarter, I'm sure you can find it. There is very little unbiased information out there, unless you really search, and for good reason. Unbiased information means people make their own choice, positive/negative info means you've already helped sway their decision.

If someone had only told me the negative things about drugs (which they did) I would have stayed away from them (which I did). Then I read only the positive (so I would feel better about taking it).

No one wants to hear 'take it, you could live, you could die, or hell you could not feel anything. wish you the best'



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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: polarity]
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YA!

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: jonocybin]
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of the people by the people and FOR the people, right?!?!?

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: polarity]
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polarity said:
What it came down to, he said bottom line. It's illegal, that's whats wrong with it. According to him "If you do something illegal, you spit in the face of the very country you live in, you spit at your government, and if that is how you feel, you should find another country to live in, where it is legal"



God, I hate that attitude.  "It's illegal so it's wrong."

...So I guess that women owning property, being able to vote, blacks being able to read, vote, etc, is all wrong, because, at one time, it was illegal...

...Whatever.  If I keep going I'll get off on a whole rant about what patriotism -really- is and that's somethign y'all don't wanna see. :wink:


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Sev]
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Thats why cops are all fucked up. They have to use backwards logic like that to justify their backwards jobs so they can go to sleep at night.

Looked at in this light, there are no good cops.

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: tooky]
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Quote:
I wonder how the US government will react as its closest (*shudder*) ally moves closer to legalising weed?




Sanctions and warplanes?


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: psilyhunter]
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lateralus: that is not true at all. i know some cops and they are not bad. the main point of the cop is to make sure things stay safe right? well if a good cop sees someone all stoned they should know that they are not going to hurt anybody and leave them alone. I know a few cops like this and they are good cops. probably becuase at one point in time (70's) they did drugs as well. but i agree with the point that they have to use backward logic. but they have to follow orders right? and so do you if you have a job. you cant not do what your boss tells you to do otherwise you will get fired.

I also agree with the BS that people do to justify the drugs. Most drug users will only look for information to prove that the drugs that they are doing will make them smarter, or that they are not bad for them and they block out all the information that says the drug is bad. well, drugs are good and bad. i hate it when people come up to me and start talking about a drug when they dont even know the bad things about it too. whenever you choose to do a drug you must ask yourself, "for me, do the pros outweigh the cons?"

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Strumpling]
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I think nicotine is one of the worst drugs because its more addictive then heroine (its been proven) and ciggs has way more chemicals than weed like rat poison and stuff thats in poop like on the commercials,ciggs have like a thousand chemicals and weed has around 420 chemicals which are naturally made not lab made


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: showcivic17]
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Sounds like someone's been seeing alot of tobacco propaganda commercials. ^^ you need to realize that "public safety announcements" like those about tabacco are bias, they are trying to sway your mind in their favor, so of course they are going to use the most convincing argument they can to do so.
You have no idea what your pot is...unless your growing it. It very well, even probably has "man made chemicals" in it, from the ferts the greedy grower is using.

"rat poison" you mean arsenic? Its not ratpoison, its just one of the ingredients... And saying your smoking rat poison is much more likely to make someone stop and think.

Propaganda...propaganda.

Aside from that...thinking nicotine is one of the worst drugs has absolutely no relevance to this thread.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: showcivic17]
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showcivic17 said:
I think nicotine is one of the worst drugs because its more addictive then heroine (its been proven) and ciggs has way more chemicals than weed like rat poison and stuff thats in poop like on the commercials,ciggs have like a thousand chemicals and weed has around 420 chemicals which are naturally made not lab made



...Your body contains most of those things naturally anyway. Ooh, stuff that's in poop. Big deal. It's ammonia. Water's also in poop. Does that mean you're not going to drink pepsi?


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: PDU]
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PDU said:
Sounds like someone's been seeing alot of tobacco propaganda commercials. ^^


I can, however, corroberate the fact that niccotine is more addictive than heroin. I know people who've kicked H habits, and most of them say they had an even harder time quitting smoking.

Of course, I don't know whether this is due to the drug itself or the social environment that supports its use...

But when it comes down to it, for me, regular cigarette use is a losing proposition. You don't get anything out of it, really, and you have to keep pumping money into an addiction that's causing you damage. It's just not worth it.

That's not to say I don't have a cigarette from time to time, and I do enjoy smoking a pipe on a rare occasion, but in either case, it's rare and deliberate.


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Sev]
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i got some of that info off of a website similar to erowid thats not against drugs or with them

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: showcivic17]
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i think it was totse.com i cant remember i"ll go check it out now

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: Jackal]
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The reason the government wants to keep drugs illegal is because they can control us better if we are only in ONE state of consciousness. The government does not want us to use mind expanding substances because they don't want us to see the TRUTH in the world. If drugs were legal, we can be in whatever state of consciousness we wanted and figure out things about life and the planet and universe and about the government itself. The only time we get to go on the other side of consciousness LEGALLY is during dreaming when the brain releases DMT, or meditation or something. I believe that dreams are a separate reality (on various, multiple levels) and that the waking state of consciousness is all just a recurrent dream that keeps repeating itself every morning when you "wake up."

There are also rises in people interested in such fields as noetic science and metaphysics, and also the research done specifically in those fields.

Albert Hoffman already proved in his book, LSD My Problem Child (BTW, an EXCELLENT book for anyone interested in hallucinogens & the mind in general) that psychedelics can be used for therapeutic purposes SUCCESSFULLY. In Richard Strassman's book, DMT The Spirit Molecule, he explains that psychedelics lost their reputation as therapeutic enhancers once LSD got loose into the streets and people were having bad trips and the government had to step in and criminalize LSD. All psychedelics became very very difficult to obtain for research purposes, so pretty much all studies on therapeutic uses of psychedelics ceased at that time, at least in the USA. This was when psychedelics got the bad reputation.

The idea of using substances for entheogenic purposes is not "hippy shit" and it's not anything new. I mean, cultures have been using entheogens for THOUSANDS of years in order to see the messages of the gods and to gain new insights or foretell the future and stuff like that. I think that this history of entheogenic use is important for people to understand because it can help bring the movement forward if they can see that maybe they can take entheogens in order to really SEE the message that "god" wants them to learn.

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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: occollegeboi]
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way to bump a 7 year old thread


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Re: Is Entheogen Popularity On The Rise? [Re: occollegeboi]
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occollegeboi said:
The reason the government wants to keep drugs illegal is because they can control us better if we are only in ONE state of consciousness. The government does not want us to use mind expanding substances because they don't want us to see the TRUTH in the world. If drugs were legal, we can be in whatever state of consciousness we wanted and figure out things about life and the planet and universe and about the government itself. The only time we get to go on the other side of consciousness LEGALLY is during dreaming when the brain releases DMT, or meditation or something. I believe that dreams are a separate reality (on various, multiple levels) and that the waking state of consciousness is all just a recurrent dream that keeps repeating itself every morning when you "wake up."


I agree, while there are many states of consciousness, the only one that is acceptable in todays world is the state of consciousness that focuses on the production and consumption of material goods. All other states of mind are discouraged and even criminalized.

But this doesn't just apply to drugs. These states are discouraged right from the get go by the conformity factories commonly know as schools. A child may look at spilled milk on the table and watch the infinite artistic patterns swirling but the teacher will say "CLEAN UP THAT MILK AND DO YOUR MATHS". Or a child may gaze out the window and watch a bird fly past, thinking about the beauty of nature when suddenly the teacher tells them to "STOP DAYDREAMING AND PAY ATTENTION".

Indeed the biggest lie schools teach children is that life is about fear. Children are taught to fear failure, fear their teachers and fear one another. A child is taught that "a good deed never goes unpunished" and that it is essential to cut the heads of others to make yourself taller.

By the time adults are created their world views a stained deeply by the school system. So much so that many of these people are unable to ever readjust their minds to seeing the world any other way.

Psychedelics simply force someone to look at the world another way and for many adults this is a reminder that life isn't all about running from fear. That's why the "powers" of the world fear psychedelics, because of their power to open people's eyes.

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