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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: BoomerMan420] * 1
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BoomerMan420 said:
I would be insanely surprised beyond words if your actually able to not steal any meds.


I would be amazed beyond words if she could do the academic work.


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
Ojom said:
Patlal said:
Actually, its illegal to discriminate against drug users or ex-addicts.




Ohh right.... That is why pre-employment drug testing is illegal. It is not illegal to discriminate against drug users. It is actually government mandated in the United States that drug users not be allowed to do certain work, and governmentally encouraged that drug users be denied employment.


In the US its not illegal, where I'm from it is.

We don't have any interest denying jobs to addicts. It would only increase crime and result in them going to jail. That wouldn't be fair.

Therefore, its illegal to discriminate against drug users.



with the US it's not a government interest, it's an insurance one. insurance
companies dont want to ensure for any liability, any company that hires drug
users which is why the tests are mandatory in many places, other pay the
higher premiums and dodge the testing because they know many of their
applicants and even best workers use drugs. the real drawback at least for
the user is that if you get hurt, they'll test you for workers comp and it
may not pay


Well there's your problem.


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
there's no centralized database of medical records.



dont fool yourself. it is in the works, I had a hospital as me if I'd ever
been to another hospital nearly 15 years ago when I broke my ankle, the
mentioned details to ensure  was me since I didnt show ID


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Prisoner#1 said:
with the US it's not a government interest, it's an insurance one. insurance
companies dont want to ensure for any liability, any company that hires drug
users which is why the tests are mandatory in many places, other pay the
higher premiums and dodge the testing because they know many of their
applicants and even best workers use drugs. the real drawback at least for
the user is that if you get hurt, they'll test you for workers comp and it
may not pay


Well there's your problem.



working?

no one is taking drug test because america is out of work


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
Prisoner#1 said:
with the US it's not a government interest, it's an insurance one. insurance
companies dont want to ensure for any liability, any company that hires drug
users which is why the tests are mandatory in many places, other pay the
higher premiums and dodge the testing because they know many of their
applicants and even best workers use drugs. the real drawback at least for
the user is that if you get hurt, they'll test you for workers comp and it
may not pay


Well there's your problem.



working?

no one is taking drug test because america is out of work


No, insurance companies.

Have congress pass a law that makes it illegal to drug test. Problem solved.

Insurance companies can take the hit.


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
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Clean off drugs due to financial difficulties
:scumbagsteve:
Wants to become pharmacist to sell drugs


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
No, insurance companies.

Have congress pass a law that makes it illegal to drug test. Problem solved.

Insurance companies can take the hit.



in several of the jobs I've worked had I decided to get stoned
before work I damned sure could have been killed


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
Prisoner#1 said:
with the US it's not a government interest, it's an insurance one. insurance
companies dont want to ensure for any liability, any company that hires drug
users which is why the tests are mandatory in many places, other pay the
higher premiums and dodge the testing because they know many of their
applicants and even best workers use drugs. the real drawback at least for
the user is that if you get hurt, they'll test you for workers comp and it
may not pay


Well there's your problem.



working?

no one is taking drug test because america is out of work


No, insurance companies.

Have congress pass a law that makes it illegal to drug test. Problem solved.

Insurance companies can take the hit.


Insurance companies won't take the hit at all.  The other policy holders who aren't drug addicted losers will.


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
No, insurance companies.

Have congress pass a law that makes it illegal to drug test. Problem solved.

Insurance companies can take the hit.



in several of the jobs I've worked had I decided to get stoned
before work I damned sure could have been killed


Its generally not recommended to get high before going to work. I might get you fired. Or in some cases, like you said, killed or injured.


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
Well there's your problem.



working?

no one is taking drug test because america is out of work


No, insurance companies.

Have congress pass a law that makes it illegal to drug test. Problem solved.

Insurance companies can take the hit.


Insurance companies won't take the hit at all.  The other policy holders who aren't drug addicted losers will.


Well, yeah... I see you logic there.

But if you're gonna make it illegal for companies to drug test, you have o make it illegal for insurance companies to jack up their premiums because of it.

It goes hand in hand.


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Patlal]
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How the fuck are you going to prevent insurance companies from raising rates enough to make a profit without eliminating insurance companies?


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Its generally not recommended to get high before going to work. I might get you fired. Or in some cases, like you said, killed or injured.



yep and with most drugs, how do they determine if you did it on the drive to work or the night before


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
But if you're gonna make it illegal for companies to drug test, you have o make it illegal for insurance companies to jack up their premiums because of it.

It goes hand in hand.



yes, goes hand in hand with insurance companies not covering businesses
because they're not going to stand for legislation like that


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
How the fuck are you going to prevent insurance companies from raising rates enough to make a profit without eliminating insurance companies?


Who said they would stop making a profit?

Who said they would pay if an accident happened because someone was high?

If an accident happens, drug test the guy. If he was high, the insurance company doesn't pay. He took the decision to take drugs, therefore he took the decision to live with the risks and consequences.

If he wasn't high then the company pays.

Instead of drug testing at the start of the hiring process, drug test only when accidents happen. Drug testing before the hiring process doesn't stop people from taking drugs. We see it here all the time. They find a way to pass the test, then they get high 5 minutes after they get the passing grade.


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
Its generally not recommended to get high before going to work. I might get you fired. Or in some cases, like you said, killed or injured.



yep and with most drugs, how do they determine if you did it on the drive to work or the night before


Ask a doctor / medical examiner / forensics technician / investigators. There's a way for sure. If we can tell accurately when some guy died after finding a rotting body in the forest, I'm sure they figured out a way to know when a drug was taken given blood concentration.

If it truly is impossible. Ask a lawyer, he'll figure it out.


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
But if you're gonna make it illegal for companies to drug test, you have o make it illegal for insurance companies to jack up their premiums because of it.

It goes hand in hand.



yes, goes hand in hand with insurance companies not covering businesses
because they're not going to stand for legislation like that


Oh right. They are simply gonna say no to billions of dollars coming from businesses because of drug tests?

They won't stand for legislation like that? If it passes, they don't have a choice. Its the beauty of laws.

And like I said... if an accident happens, give a drug test, than leave it in the hand of investigators and lawyers.


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Patlal] * 1
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Fuck man, if i was a pharmacist i would end up dead or in jail from taking handfulls of pills

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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Mello Kitty]
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ellenallien said:
Prisoner#1 said:
or they cant pull anything that shows you as an addict


oooo :facepalm: i was in a rehab


The real question I want to ask is why do you want to become a pharmacist?  If you can answer that with a legit question, such as you enjoy the study of medicine and want to eventually step up to it and make sure people are being safe and getting the right medication, and you don't have any major drug issues on your hands or any felonies and such, you're fine.

Someone said it was illegal to discriminate.  To clarify, private companies can easily reject you if you've got felonies or drug problems, especially if you're working in that field.  This isn't 'discrimination' in the sense businesses aren't supposed to commit. Businesses can't discriminate against sex, race or disabilities.  If you're a druggie and have felonies, they sure as hell can refuse to hire you.


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Have congress pass a law that makes it illegal to drug test. Problem solved.

Insurance companies can take the hit.


Patlal said:
zappaisgod said:
How the fuck are you going to prevent insurance companies from raising rates enough to make a profit without eliminating insurance companies?


Who said they would stop making a profit?

Who said they would pay if an accident happened because someone was high?

If an accident happens, drug test the guy. If he was high, the insurance company doesn't pay. He took the decision to take drugs, therefore he took the decision to live with the risks and consequences.

If he wasn't high then the company pays.


you make no sense, make it illegal to test then make them drug test, if
someone comes in high and is involved in an accident either the company
or the insurance company has to pay? why not make the pothead pay, why not
jail him for criminal negligence resulting in injury, loss of life and loss
of revenue

you even said "he made the choice" so why should the insurance company pay
for some jackasses choice when they insure the business, not the individual


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Instead of drug testing at the start of the hiring process, drug test only when accidents happen. Drug testing before the hiring process doesn't stop people from taking drugs. We see it here all the time. They find a way to pass the test, then they get high 5 minutes after they get the passing grade.


put the cart before the horse, brilliant. it's no different than drug
testing someone that gets hurt because someone else caused an accident
that resulted in a different person's injury

the current process doesnt stop them from taking drugs, it allows a company
to assess the risk and the consequences and refuse to hire because the
person could be a serious liability due to a drug addiction. if someone is
clean when they piss and get the job, nothing here stops them from blazing
as they drive out of the parking lot


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Re: could an Ex-Addict become a Pharmacist ? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
Have congress pass a law that makes it illegal to drug test. Problem solved.

Insurance companies can take the hit.


Patlal said:
zappaisgod said:
How the fuck are you going to prevent insurance companies from raising rates enough to make a profit without eliminating insurance companies?


Who said they would stop making a profit?

Who said they would pay if an accident happened because someone was high?

If an accident happens, drug test the guy. If he was high, the insurance company doesn't pay. He took the decision to take drugs, therefore he took the decision to live with the risks and consequences.

If he wasn't high then the company pays.


you make no sense, make it illegal to test then make them drug test, if
someone comes in high and is involved in an accident either the company
or the insurance company has to pay? why not make the pothead pay, why not
jail him for criminal negligence resulting in injury, loss of life and loss
of revenue

you even said "he made the choice" so why should the insurance company pay
for some jackasses choice when they insure the business, not the individual


Make it illegal for companies to do pre-employment drug tests in order to eliminate discrimination

If an accident happens and somebody gets really hurt, you need to investigate to see if there was negligence. If its determined that the company should of made it safer, then they get in shit. If they determine that the company had safety procedure and some guy gets hurt because he was high, the company doesn't get in shit and the employee doesn't get paid due to his own negligence. Or even worse, someone hurts somebody else because he was high (forklift operator was high and impaled another guy), thats called criminal negligence.





Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
Instead of drug testing at the start of the hiring process, drug test only when accidents happen. Drug testing before the hiring process doesn't stop people from taking drugs. We see it here all the time. They find a way to pass the test, then they get high 5 minutes after they get the passing grade.


put the cart before the horse, brilliant. it's no different than drug
testing someone that gets hurt because someone else caused an accident
that resulted in a different person's injury

the current process doesnt stop them from taking drugs, it allows a company
to assess the risk and the consequences and refuse to hire because the
person could be a serious liability due to a drug addiction. if someone is
clean when they piss and get the job, nothing here stops them from blazing
as they drive out of the parking lot


Many factors are more important causes of job accidents than drug use. Failure to follow proper safety measures is a primary reason for job accidents. Fatigue and stress are much more important causes of job accidents than drug use.

You also have to take in consideration that a majority of drug users don't go to work high because they could get terminated.


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