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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: Seuss]
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I highly doubt that police forced them into a corner from which they could not escape, opened up with tear gas, forcing them to tear down a fence... especially considering that the occupiers had announced days before hand that they were going to occupy the building that was being protected by said fence.  Perhaps I'm wrong, as I often am, but I doubt it in this case.


Why would you "highly doubt" such a thing that has been proven time and time again? Police starts riots to end protests, they identify leaders and snatch them up.. disorganizing as well as enraging the crowd. I just watched it a video of it yesterday that I can't seem to locate, you can clearly hear the cops identify who a leader is, then other cops roll by and snatch him off the curb. People followed him to the police station and asked what he was arrested for, there response "Resisting arrest". They asked what was the original charge he was being arrested for? The police had no comment. Wake up, its ok, we all had to do it.

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I still don't follow.  There is a proper way to protest.  Look at the civil rights movement for a classic example.  There is an improper way to protest.  Look at the occupiers for a classic example.


"A proper way to protest", while I agree this does exist.. there are two problems with attacking hundreds if not thousands of people for the actions of 1 or a few.

1: There area always going to be violent people, there everywhere.. its impossible to stop it. So if one guy throws a rock it is now ok for the police to shoot, teargas, beat, trample, punch kick/whatever hundreds of ppl because that guy threw a rock?

2: Even if somehow the protestors manage to stop every single random act of violence that other protestors attempt.. you still have the problem plants. The police have been caught before planting there own within protests to insight the riot by acting violently.

So basicly, if you aren't agreeing with the occupiers right to protest, you are shitting on our right to free speech, promoting tyranny, and need to educate yourself because you are a danger to the free world. This is assuming you aren't the type of person that thinks tyranny is "hip".

Edited by YawnGG (01/31/12 08:01 PM)

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG]
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> one of the journalist arrested was released from prison

Why the constant appeal to emotion?  He wasn't in prison.  He was detained in a county jail.  Trust me, there is a huge difference between the two.  Quoting the person detained:

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After spending about an hour locked up alone in a drunk-tank cell block, OPD Sergeant Jeff Thomason arrived to release me, thanks to a call from Mother Jones co-Editor in Chief Monika Bauerlein. "You probably shouldn't have been in here to begin with," he told me apologetically as he escorted me in his personal car back to the scene of my arrest to retrieve my backpack where I'd stashed my steno pad.


> So basicly, if you aren't agreeing with the occupiers right to protest, you are shitting on our right to free speech, promoting tyranny, and need to educate yourself because you are a danger to the free world. This is assuming you aren't the type of person that thinks tyranny is "hip".

More appeal to emotion.  I agree with occupiers right to protest, but I don't agree with how occupiers are protesting.  Would you like it if I burned your personal property in protest?  If you don't, then you are shitting on my right to free speech, promoting tyranny, etc.  Should I not have every right to destroy your personal property as long as I am doing so in protest?


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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: Seuss]
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Really you are going to correct me on the differences of jail and prison? I knew i was wrong after i typed but i didn't think anyone would waste time talking about such a pointless topic, but congrats, you got me!

ONE PERSON burned a flag, so now u can arrest 400 people? This is what im talking about, you clearly have a giant wall around your mind that stops information from being received. Congrats on your "gotcha moment", please wake up.

Edit: And omg my writing channels emotions! I should be shot! Its pretty sad that someone as close minded as you has 22k posts on the shroomery forum, seriously.

Edited by YawnGG (01/31/12 08:17 PM)

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG] * 1
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> ONE PERSON burned a flag, so now u can arrest 400 people?

Burning a flag is fairly irrelevant.  I wish they had done it on private property, but oh well.  I'm talking about property damage, trespassing, etc.  Who cares about a burning flag, other than safety concerns?  Not me.

> Really you are going to correct me on the differences of jail and prison?

If you have been there (prison/jail), it is a big difference.  The point I was making was towards your appeal to emotion.  If you drop the emotion and look at what happened, then it becomes fairly obvious that police were heavy handed and some of the protestors did everything they could to incite a heavy handed response from the police.  Unfortunately, a lot of innocent people were caught up in the mess.  If pressed to guess who fired the proverbial first shot, I'm guessing it was a handful of protestors that were determined to stir up a shit storm so that people like you could cry about how unjust the world has become.


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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: Seuss]
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Burning a flag is fairly irrelevant.  I wish they had done it on private property, but oh well.  I'm talking about property damage, trespassing, etc.  Who cares about a burning flag, other than safety concerns?


Umm, let me see if I got this right....

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Burning a flag is fairly irrelevant.  I wish they had done it on private property, but oh well.


Ok so you aren't concerned with a flag being burned.. but you previously stated it as a reason against the protest...

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I'm talking about property damage, trespassing, etc.


Okay your talking about property damage now? But in your previous statements you say you don't care about a flag being burned.. thats PROPERTY. You mention trespassing AGAIN after I already have already explained to you that were fleeing for there SAFETY, another word you coined in on. I have seen you say "They shouldn't have been there in the first place". FREEDOM OF SPEECH, WITHOUT IT THE SLAVERY GETS WORSE.

I usually refrain from personal attacks, but you are a complete imbecile. Thanks for reading.

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG]
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> Okay your talking about property damage now?

I was under the impression that the flag they burned was one somebody brought. If the stole it from City Hall, then I would be upset about the theft and destruction of city property.  Again, I have no problem with burning a flag in protest or destroying one's own personal property...

> I usually refrain from personal attacks, but you are a complete imbecile.

Awww, too cute.  Please read the forum rules about person insults.  As I have told others, I appreciate differing opinions.  However, please try to maintain a level of maturity when discussing an issue with somebody that doesn't agree with you.  Name calling, temper tantrums, CAPITAL LETTERS, etc, simply make one look like a child rather than somebody that should be taken seriously.  I know that emotions can get inflamed, especially in this forum, but that is no excuse for ad hominem.  If you cannot make your point without resorting to name calling, then you should probably find someplace a little softer to play.


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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: Seuss]
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OP kept mentioning the YMCA, and how they didnt occupy it.


what abouts the courthouse they vandalized?

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: memes]
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Suess, You say your open to differing opinions then waste my time talking about pointless topics, you are a close minded slave. Maybe one day you will wake up but its not coming anytime soon. I am done talking to you.

meams said:
OP kept mentioning the YMCA, and how they didnt occupy it.


what abouts the courthouse they vandalized?


It was city hall.
True 20 or so people vandalized city hall, but again why weren't those people targeted? Instead they just arrest 400 people at random, or target leaders of the movement. The entire occupy movement is being recorded by live streamers, if they couldn't catch them in the act they can watch the stream and come back the next day to find those people..

Edited by YawnGG (01/31/12 09:00 PM)

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG]
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YawnGG said:
or target leaders of the movement.


I thought occupy prides themselves in their lack of a leader.

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: memes]
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meams said:
YawnGG said:
or target leaders of the movement.


I thought occupy prides themselves in their lack of a leader.


They arent "official occupy leaders" there is no list.. They are just people who are leading other people, in chants, in demonstrations, etc. There are no official leaders that I know about.

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG]
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ONE PERSON burned a flag, so now u can arrest 400 people? 

If they also break the law, which they did.  Just because only one guy started a fire on the steps of City Hall doesn't mean 399 other assholes didn't also break laws.


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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Here is an idea, rather then theorize about what took place, watch it for self! That way people like me aren't stuck defending any theory the human mind can comprehend, we have a video! I don't have to disprove that aliens were beeming down to aid occupiers with advanced psychological weaponary! Yay!

http://www.ustream.tv/occupyoakland
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/therevolutionwillbestreamed
http://www.ustream.tv/user/BellaEiko

on these sites you will find auto-records of what happened, if anyone finds evidence of aliens or 399 people breaking the law please let me know.

PS: Whats the deal with ignorant people having "god" in there name? Even Suess while being a lovable writer sounds alot like Zues...

Edited by YawnGG (01/31/12 09:45 PM)

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG]
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YawnGG.  if you had more than 19 posts you'd probably know the people you're arguing against are some of teh least ignorant people here on the Shroomery.

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG]
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ORLY?  I played one city council meeting for about a minute ans flipped all over some guy taking video pf some other people standing around in some unidentified place. 



Fucking garden variety douchebags.


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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Not Quite Social said:
Did you know the Constitution singles out political speech as a specifically important right
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No it doesn't.� I see you didn't cite any evidence for this conclusion either.


Hey, Johnm214, traditionally, First Amendment freedoms of press, assembly, and petition of grievances have been upheld by the Supreme Court as specially protected political speech.  See here, for example.

  http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0395_0444_ZO.html


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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: Not Quite Social]
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Not Quite Social said:
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Not Quite Social said:
Did you know the Constitution singles out political speech as a specifically important right
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No it doesn't.� I see you didn't cite any evidence for this conclusion either.


Hey, Johnm214, traditionally, First Amendment freedoms of press, assembly, and petition of grievances have been upheld by the Supreme Court as specially protected political speech.  See here, for example.

  http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0395_0444_ZO.html



Yes, that's a decision, what does it have to do with your claim?

I'm correct.  See: English literature.


Further, what does what the Supreme Court decides regarding press, assembly, and petition have to do with whether the Constitution singles out political speech as a specifically important right?  There is no ranking of the relative importance of rights in the Constitution, and no distinction is made between any type of speech.

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: memes]
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meams said:
YawnGG.  if you had more than 19 posts you'd probably know the people you're arguing against are some of teh least ignorant people here on the Shroomery.


That is sad:(

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: johnm214]
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I think NotSoSocial was wrong when said "political" speech. Though I do think its kind of obvious that political speech would be the most targeted by the government..

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Zappais, if some how that comment was directed at me.. was it a response to something I said? It currently is not making much sense..

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Re: Occupy oakland - 300 arrested.. press cover up. [Re: YawnGG]
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It was in reference to two of the three pointless links you provided.  I didn't bother with the third.


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