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Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals.
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16 deaths from ecstasy overdoses in British Columbia last year will be examined by the coroner's office to determine whether some were caused by a relatively unknown chemical cut into the drug

Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120112/ecstasy-cut-with-chemical-linked-to-deaths-120112/#ixzz1jIt3zlkU




VANCOUVER — All 16 deaths from ecstasy overdoses in British Columbia last year will be examined by the coroner's office to determine whether some were caused by a relatively unknown chemical cut into the drug.

The chemical, PMMA, has been blamed for at least one recent Vancouver-area overdose and five more in Calgary.

The coroner is now working with health and police officials to investigate the prevalence of the chemical, which officials say likely originated in the Lower Mainland.

"The higher-level picture is that B.C. would be the manufacturing hub," said RCMP Sgt. Duncan Pound, noting there is no definitive evidence linking the tablets consumed in Calgary to those in B.C.

"We do see distribution going eastward across Canada."

B.C.'s provincial health officer said Thursday officials are concerned "without hesitation" over the finding that paramethoxymethamphetamine -- a synthetic compound known as PMMA -- has been discovered laced into already dangerous drugs in the two provinces.

A spate of new deaths has recently occurred in both B.C. and Alberta.

Perry Kendall said the coroner's investigation will show whether the chemical has been present in previous B.C. deaths, although Pound said he's not aware of any past cases.

Pound said there are on average 20 deaths from ecstasy in British Columbia per year, meaning last year fell below the average.

The B.C. Coroner's Service did not return a request for an interview.

Alberta's chief medical examiner said earlier this week that PMMA had not previously been associated with street drugs sold in Calgary.

The chemical is thought to be less expensive and can be used to make a drug that appears similar to ecstasy, the officials said in a warning released by the city on Wednesday.

Because it takes effect more slowly than ecstasy's usual ingredient, called MDMA, users may take more to achieve its hallucinogenic properties, Kendall said.

"They think it's not happening, the onset is also rather mild to start with, so they start taking more pills because they think that they got lower doses and they end up with more significant overdoses," he told reporters.

"That's a possible explanation for some of the deaths we've seen here or in Calgary."

The chemical is considerably more toxic, interfering with serotonin metabolism in the brain and raising the body temperature, which can lead to irreversible brain and organ damage, Kendall said.

He cautioned there is no such thing as a safe street drug, noting RCMP tests in B.C. over recent years have shown ecstasy is made of a cocktail of chemicals. Other ingredients can include methamphentamine, katamine, horse tranquilizer, caffeine and talcum powder.

But Pound said even as the coroner's office does its work, it's not likely any new police probe will be launched to specifically target operations cooking up the lethal drug.

"Would it even be possible to have investigations specific to PMMA? That's unlikely because we're . . . already targeting clandestine labs."

RCMP took down more than 30 labs in B.C. last year, he said, including meth labs that also made ecstasy.

Since late November, three people in B.C.'s Lower Mainland have died and a fourth went to hospital in critical condition after taking pills they believed to be ecstasy.

Abbotsford 20-year-old Tyler Miller died on Nov. 27 while partying with friends in Langley. It was the first case in the region in some time and prompted public warnings from his parents, who knew he had taken the drug before.

Just over three weeks later, 17-year-old Cheryl McCormack died a few days after taking ecstasy with girlfriends at a sleepover in Abbotsford. Police said she was hoping the pills would help her lose weight.

Another Abbotsford woman, 24, who consumed the drug for recreation at a New Year's Eve party only started to show "positive signs" of recovery on Thursday after her near-death experience, said Const. Ian MacDonald of Abbotsford police.

Last Sunday, a 22-year-old woman had a fatal reaction to the drug police said she took willingly at a house party in Vancouver.

In all the three cases involving women, friends of the victim also took the drug but did not suffer the same consequences.

Police have not released the names of the people who died in Calgary for privacy reasons.

Ecstasy comes cheap, sometimes only costing $5 or $10, and is popular among young adults in the party scene, according to the RCMP.

MacDonald said police are gathering as much information as possible and are trying to determine whether it might be being sold at discounted rates or passed out for free.

After speaking to the mother of the 24-year-old who is still in hospital Thursday morning, he said she and police share the same view about the potential for a new chemical to be making rounds.

"It doesn't matter, because at the end of the day young people are ingesting something that they really have no knowledge of," he said.

"They don't know what it's going to do to them. They've created real or perceived expectations around it, but they don't know."




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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: Patlal]
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There has been a lot of x floating around my area, but they all seem pretty decent.  Thanks for the info, though.

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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: Sundrop]
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Another example of why drugs should be legal.

I was just thinking about how riduculous the idea of "laws" are. We are the only species that are so smart that we are retarded enough to need laws...

:picard:

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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: Sundrop]
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legalize the shit and it wont be a problem

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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: Sundrop] * 1
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This is why I don't take pressed pills anymore... really it's sad; a chemical that people used to take to be free among other free people is now the most cut drug ever. This is one of the reasons I got out of the rave scene... so depressing.


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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: Hajnal]
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Hajnal said:
This is why I don't take pressed pills anymore... really it's sad; a chemical that people used to take to be free among other free people is now the most cut drug ever. This is one of the reasons I got out of the rave scene... so depressing.



Why couldn't PMMA be put into a capsule and sold as molly?

If you get your pressed pills from someone who you trust, there shouldn't be any problems.  Or if you want to be even more safe, you could get yourself a reagent test.  But I've never had a bad pressed pill, because I've never bought from some sketchy guy in a corner of a rave.


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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: BothHands]
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The sad thing is that all my friends really believe that what they're getting is real X, or they just don't give a shit and want to get fucked up. I don't do it often enough to have tests on hand and shit; how sad ; ;


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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: Hajnal]
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Not really sad, just kinda stupid and irresponsible. I guess thats the sad part.

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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: underfliptown]
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Exactly. I just don't get it; have they never had real MDMA before? Because seriously; ever since I had real MDMA I've never wanted any of those shitty pills.


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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: Hajnal]
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sometimes i wonder what cuts and rc's I have done through the use of hundreds and hundreds and pressies.  It's funny i'm afraid to buy rc stims because I don't know how they are made and if they have toxic byproducts, but i never thought twice all those years.  Even when i knew they were pipz, i still continued.  I dunno LOL


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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: SpecialEd]
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i might get some monkeys soon. im nervous. all i really do is taste the pill and if it got that bitter type shit going on i know its good


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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: SpecialEd]
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SpecialEd said:
sometimes i wonder what cuts and rc's I have done through the use of hundreds and hundreds and pressies.  It's funny i'm afraid to buy rc stims because I don't know how they are made and if they have toxic byproducts, but i never thought twice all those years.  Even when i knew they were pipz, i still continued.  I dunno LOL



Well you're still around so it couldn't have been that bad.

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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: underfliptown]
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yeah but i read an article awhile back, actually it was on shroomery news service, about how bzp and the like could be toxic to the liver and kidneys.  Then again, i'm over half german, got dem survival genetics...but sometimes I wonder what could have been, intellectually, i wonder what damage I may have done to my brains and what not.  Then again, i'm here typing so it can't be that friend....right?


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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: SpecialEd]
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SpecialEd said:
sometimes i wonder what cuts and rc's I have done through the use of hundreds and hundreds and pressies.  It's funny i'm afraid to buy rc stims because I don't know how they are made and if they have toxic byproducts, but i never thought twice all those years.  Even when i knew they were pipz, i still continued.  I dunno LOL



So because a drug has a toxic by-product you don't use it?  That seems rather silly.  You do realize that the by-product is separated from the product, right?  That's in the definition of a by-product.

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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: Hajnal]
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Hajnal said:
Exactly. I just don't get it; have they never had real MDMA before? Because seriously; ever since I had real MDMA I've never wanted any of those shitty pills.



Yes, there's plenty of shitty pills out there. But there also some awesome ones.

Good molly really is the best, but it's a lot easier for molly to get cut somewhere down the line than a roll.

The hardest I've ever rolled was from a couple mints.


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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: underfliptown]
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yep, legalise the shit. I'd rather pay twice for something I can be 100% sure is MDMA than those 5$pill we get here(even thought some of them were quite nice)

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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: pwnasaurus]
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pwnasaurus said:
SpecialEd said:
sometimes i wonder what cuts and rc's I have done through the use of hundreds and hundreds and pressies.  It's funny i'm afraid to buy rc stims because I don't know how they are made and if they have toxic byproducts, but i never thought twice all those years.  Even when i knew they were pipz, i still continued.  I dunno LOL



So because a drug has a toxic by-product you don't use it?  That seems rather silly.  You do realize that the by-product is separated from the product, right?  That's in the definition of a by-product.



well like say they are making 4-fa and one of the intermediates is accidentally included in the final product, and this intermediate substance is like wicked neurotoxic...ya know?  I'm sure when these chems are being mass produced accidents like this happen.


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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: pwnasaurus]
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pwnasaurus said:
So because a drug has a toxic by-product you don't use it?  That seems rather silly.  You do realize that the by-product is separated from the product, right?  That's in the definition of a by-product.



Never heard it defined that way, I'm pretty sure a byproduct is just something produced in addition to what you were trying to make, whether you separate them or not.

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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: psi]
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A by-product is a secondary product derived from a manufacturing process or chemical reaction. It is not the primary product or service being produced.A by-product can be useful and marketable or it can be considered waste.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By-product

Secondary product.  If you have one product, you don't have a by-product.

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Re: Be careful with your ecstasy, some people are cutting it with deadly chemicals. [Re: pwnasaurus]
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ahh thanks for clearing that up, but yeah i guess i meant contaminant.


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