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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: lazyfingers]
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lazyfingers said:
Iran poses a nuclear threat to Israel which would possibly launch the world into global nuclear war.


congrats buddy, you live in fear.

stop eating up the propaganda. the truth is, you nor I know ANYTHING about whats really happening. we haven no clue about the internal affairs of global leaders. we have no idea why they actually hate eachother, we have no idea why they do any of the things they do, we haven no idea why things happen the way they do or why they will happen in the future. we are the sheep. remember. there are sheep, pigs, and dogs. thats the whole fucking world right there.

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
rodfarva said:
Prisoner#1 said:
cuban cigars are a bit different than nuclear material/warheads


If they can get a pallet of cigars, cocaine, or knock off purses in, im sure someone has the technical know how to do it with a nuclear device.


yeah... I'm sure.... I've ordered these sorts of products through the mail on numerous occasions, embargos on cuban cigars arent strict

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1176319613900.shtm
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/25/nation/na-detectors25
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Port-at-center-of-plan-to-put-radiation-detectors-1217145.php
http://www.portcalls.com/manila-ports-to-get-us-radiation-detection-equipment/
http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/02/10/11711/la-sheriffs-get-high-tech-screening-vessel-helicop/
http://www.pnnl.gov/news/release.aspx?id=341

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Its a little fantastic to believe Iran doesn't threaten our interests abroad. They could inflict a counter value strike on us easily, shit 19 random jihadists brought us into a decade long mobilization of our armed forces. Are you arguing that the focused abilities of an entire nation couldn't do a better job hurting us than half assed al queda?


just what would Iran gain by drawing it's self into a war, one in which
the government is the actor unlike with 9/11 where it was independents
that took refuge in countries sympathetic to their cause. Afghanistan was
not the actor in 9/11 so we couldnt declare war against Afghanistan. Iraq
was a different critter, it was due to a violation of a peace agreement
signed in 1991, it wasnt being fought over terrorism and while the media
hyped up the WMD claims and some were found as was yellow cake uranium it
was still not the reason behind going into Iraq


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Anyway, they have a dirty history of using chemical weapons, and have made statements against Israel that would indicate future aggression against them. We have a defense pact with Israel in some respects.

Iran is nuts. The end.


you've been told they made statements against Israel,  you were told that
Ahmadinejad said Israel should be wiped off the face of the map while his
actual statement was that Israel should have never been on the map, that
it shouldnt have existed but did due to the UN

yes, Iran and Iraq have both use chemical weapons when they fought each
other but isnt it also known that the US also has used chemical and
biological agents.isnt the US also the only nation to have used nuclear
weapons against another country on civilian populations?

seems the US is crazy

why do we defend Israel, why do we send them billions in aid and weapons,
why have we violated the nuclear non proliferation treaty by sending nukes
to Israel, Jimmy Carter has admitted to that, Why have we given the
technology to North Korea to develop their nuclear program )carter) and
then later gave them billions to continue their work (bushII) just as we
helped Iran to start their nuclear program and helped to fund ot for 30 years

oh yeah... because the US is crazy and needs to make it's enemies


the US has controlled Iran until Ahmadinejad came into power, now the US
is angry that it's puppet nation in the middle east has cut it's own
strings once again... didnt we as a people reject the intelligence reports
saying that saddam was also working on enriching uranium, hasnt the press
worldwide, the UN security council and the IAEA also stated that these
were falsehoods?


:congrats:

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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Economic and guerrilla warfare would come back to haunt you.

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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supernovasky said:
Iran's got nothing on us.

We could bomb their nuclear reactors and arms depots and still probably get away with it without a serious war.


It'd be like Gulf War part II

Although Iran> Iraq

Pretty sure Iran is still rocking the T-54/55's which are absolutely no problem for the Abrams and the Israeli Merkava

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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supernovasky said:
Bodhi of Ankou said:
Economic and guerrilla warfare would come back to haunt you.


Yeah, we'd probably get a few terrorist attacks, but what the fuck is new.

We managed a 10 year war in Iraq with no terrorist attack here in America, we've been pretty good at preventing them lately.

Economic warfare, we could hurt Iran much more than they could hurt us regarding that.

Honestly, as it stands, America's ONLY threat is China. And, in my opinion, that threat is actually great enough to where it may eventually end our sovereignity.


A ten year war that could have been prevented altogether had America let the "Lion of Kabul" bind the Taliban together and systematically wipeout the terror cells. At such a great cost to your country and the global economy no less. A peppered amount of terrorist attacks would send your countries mindless majority into a series of blind reactions.

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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I couldnt see us actually winning a real war without boots on the ground. That's near impossible. Now if you are talking about a hit and run where we just bomb tactical sites, then yeah but that wouldnt really solve anything either. Set them back a bit that's all.

And dont forget Russia. Russia is a big time player again too.

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: Prisoner#1]
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yeah... I'm sure.... I've ordered these sorts of products through the mail on numerous occasions, embargos on cuban cigars arent strict



With Iran's resources, they can get ANYTHING here that can fit in an F-150. I don't care to debate the point.

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just what would Iran gain by drawing it's self into a war...


You're deflecting. My question was challenging your apparent position that Iran can't hurt us domestically;
They can. I doubt the likely hood of them ever trying.

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you've been told they made statements against Israel,  you were told that
Ahmadinejad said Israel should be wiped off the face of the map while his
actual statement was that Israel should have never been on the map, that
it shouldnt have existed but did due to the UN


I've heard the man speak. He's a radical, and a puppet to the real 'supreme leader' of Iran who hardly ever makes a public statement. In my last post I referred to general statements that Iran has made that indicate future aggression. You can't seriously argue that point. Beyond what is said, they have recently demonstrated newer weapons and politically sensitive moments, and sailed military ships through the suez for the first time in forever. Its a show of force = a show of ability (for future aggression). They have every right to, just as the rest of the world has a right to be concerned.

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seems the US is crazy



Agreed. But hey, the US is where I keep all my stuff.

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why do we defend Israel


Our efforts are misguided. There isn't a great answer to this, just endless debate.



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the US has controlled Iran until Ahmadinejad came into power


Really? I'm pretty sure the problem started before the Iranian revolution, but that's all water under the bridge. I'm not standing up for our past fuck ups, i just worry about the future and hope our actions are both  careful to not provoke a conflict, and careful to not be naive to a future inevitable problem.

Iran is nuts. I wouldn't want to live there. Their form of government is despotic, and they are in a regional power struggle that I hope they loose.

We could turn the international pressure against them from all sides and make the world safer in one move:
Design a badass missile defense system and share it with every nuclear armed nation. if the technology was good enough to stop the ICBM's and tomahawk style devices we could take steps unilaterally reducing our stockpiles to miniscule ammounts. other nations could in-turn do the same.

Once the system evolved to the point of a significant level of safety counter strike ability and mutuality of destruction would be of less policy concern. Then the big countries would be appalled at the little ones making the world dangerous again.


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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: rodfarva]
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so the Obama administration is not despotic ? :lol:

it's all the same shit really.

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Wow, 8 pages in 12 hours...

Anyway, Iran is a worthless country that we could squish like the ant they are at the drop of a hat. I don't really care if we go to war with them or not. Their whole country is entirely too worthless to care about.

:shrug:

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
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Vsnares.Zappa said:
Prisoner#1 said:
rodfarva said:
Prisoner#1 said:
cuban cigars are a bit different than nuclear material/warheads


If they can get a pallet of cigars, cocaine, or knock off purses in, im sure someone has the technical know how to do it with a nuclear device.


yeah... I'm sure.... I've ordered these sorts of products through the mail on numerous occasions, embargos on cuban cigars arent strict

http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1176319613900.shtm
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/25/nation/na-detectors25
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Port-at-center-of-plan-to-put-radiation-detectors-1217145.php
http://www.portcalls.com/manila-ports-to-get-us-radiation-detection-equipment/
http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/02/10/11711/la-sheriffs-get-high-tech-screening-vessel-helicop/
http://www.pnnl.gov/news/release.aspx?id=341

Quote:
Its a little fantastic to believe Iran doesn't threaten our interests abroad. They could inflict a counter value strike on us easily, shit 19 random jihadists brought us into a decade long mobilization of our armed forces. Are you arguing that the focused abilities of an entire nation couldn't do a better job hurting us than half assed al queda?


just what would Iran gain by drawing it's self into a war, one in which
the government is the actor unlike with 9/11 where it was independents
that took refuge in countries sympathetic to their cause. Afghanistan was
not the actor in 9/11 so we couldnt declare war against Afghanistan. Iraq
was a different critter, it was due to a violation of a peace agreement
signed in 1991, it wasnt being fought over terrorism and while the media
hyped up the WMD claims and some were found as was yellow cake uranium it
was still not the reason behind going into Iraq


Quote:
Anyway, they have a dirty history of using chemical weapons, and have made statements against Israel that would indicate future aggression against them. We have a defense pact with Israel in some respects.

Iran is nuts. The end.


you've been told they made statements against Israel,  you were told that
Ahmadinejad said Israel should be wiped off the face of the map while his
actual statement was that Israel should have never been on the map, that
it shouldnt have existed but did due to the UN

yes, Iran and Iraq have both use chemical weapons when they fought each
other but isnt it also known that the US also has used chemical and
biological agents.isnt the US also the only nation to have used nuclear
weapons against another country on civilian populations?

seems the US is crazy

why do we defend Israel, why do we send them billions in aid and weapons,
why have we violated the nuclear non proliferation treaty by sending nukes
to Israel, Jimmy Carter has admitted to that, Why have we given the
technology to North Korea to develop their nuclear program )carter) and
then later gave them billions to continue their work (bushII) just as we
helped Iran to start their nuclear program and helped to fund ot for 30 years

oh yeah... because the US is crazy and needs to make it's enemies


the US has controlled Iran until Ahmadinejad came into power, now the US
is angry that it's puppet nation in the middle east has cut it's own
strings once again... didnt we as a people reject the intelligence reports
saying that saddam was also working on enriching uranium, hasnt the press
worldwide, the UN security council and the IAEA also stated that these
were falsehoods?


:congrats:


woah..pris...im..im..im proud of you dude haha

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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Russia is back on the rise. They are very rich in natural resources

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: KillerPicklez]
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KillerPicklez said:
Russia is back on the rise. They are very rich in natural resources


Thats one of the redeeming factors of any nation no matter how powerful the oppostiotions military is, thats why the states have put so much time and effort into destabilizing the Arab nations. They are incredibly rich in natural resources.

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: lazyfingers]
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lazyfingers said:
Do you think a nuclear warhead can distinguish between military and civilian targets? We can.




Yeah, totally.

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: realfuzzhead]
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realfuzzhead said:
well they didn't pick 12 guys off the street and put them in CIA clothes :facepalm: I understand their report is tilted towards Iran's favor but what the fuck are we doing there?

Israel can handle her self. "hurt the US economy", oh really? what the fuck to we buy from IRan? If we were concerned about our economic relations with Iran we wouldn't be putting sanctions on them and starving their poor.



Why do you think they didn't?

the US buys army tech from Israel and both economies have impact on each other.
Also, US supports Israel financially and a war means more money.

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who says they will attack anyone at all.

I'm all for Iran having nukes, it'll certainly stop israel from trying to bomb them when the US pulls out of Iraq



Yeh, they just build up a nuke as a monument...
Ahmed just wanted a nuke for his living room.

What the crap does having a nuke does with stopping Israel from attacking?
Israel could just as well attack today, before Iran finish up their nuke. As they could have done a year ago. (which I really don't understand why they didn't)
Completing the nuclear bomb will more likely CAUSE Israel to attack in self defense.

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Re: Iran captures 12 CIA agents attempting to commit sabotage [Re: Fonzee]
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Many in the region don't recognize Israel's right to exist
... and see them as invaders and their country as a sham.

It doesn't help that they're taking more and more land.


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