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Iranian Plots
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Of course everyone is ready to hear all sorts of comments about how it's conveniently false. But how hard is it to imagine that these types of things actually happen?
Why do you think governments have all kinds of crazy special ops teams in the first place? :rolleyes:

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/iran-terror-plot-reminds-washington-of-the-old-days-of-cloak-and-dagger/2011/10/11/gIQAIwWndL_story.html?hpid=z2

“Being the national capital adds a lot of prestige,” added the onetime head of the Senate Intelligence Committee and former 9/11 Commission member, “but also an element of clandestine behavior.”

For decades, Washington’s cloak-and-dagger operations have taken place in congressional cloakrooms, with knifey senators careful not to leave fingerprints. But the hits here weren’t always metaphorical.

In 1941, Walter Germanovich Krivitsky, a former KGB agent who had defected to the United States and written critically of the Soviet Union, was found dead in Washington’s Bellevue Hotel.

In 1954, Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the House chamber from the overhanging Ladies’ Gallery, wounding five members of Congress.

In 1976, agents of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet assassinated Marcos Orlando Letelier del Solar, an economist and diplomat who had taken refuge in Washington at American University and as a senior fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies. In Washington, Letelier spoke publicly against Pinochet’s regime and lobbied Congress to block loans to the dictator. Pinochet’s agents killed him and his assistant with a car bomb in Sheridan Circle.



As if dictators and oppressive regimes are all smiles and sunshine, right?


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god]
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Oh and:

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According to the complaint unsealed Tuesday, the Iranian government set in motion an international conspiracy to pay killers $1.5 million to assassinate Saudi Ambassador Adel al-Jubeir. Two Iranian operatives, linked to the elite Quds Force, sought to hire two men with ties to Mexican drug cartels to attack, among other things, the Saudi Embassy.

But the men turned out to be confidential sources for the Drug Enforcement Administration. The FBI said it monitored the movement of cash through a New York bank to Mansour Arbabsiar, a naturalized U.S. citizen, who was arrested Sept. 29. The other suspect is at large. The State Department said the suspects were never in possession of explosives.




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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god]
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U.S. officials were similarly surprised last month when an Iranian admiral threatened to send naval ships to patrol off U.S. waters.



Iran certainly seems edgy on account of the progress on the anti-ballistic missile shields that will be pointed specifically in their direction.


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god]
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I just finished reading this from the NY times; it didn't mention the naval patrol in your 3rd quote, though.. interesting.

The actual story is real good:
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The United States on Tuesday accused Iranian officials of plotting to murder Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the United States in a bizarre scheme involving an Iranian-American used-car salesman who believed he was hiring assassins from a Mexican drug cartel for $1.5 million.




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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
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U.S. officials were similarly surprised last month when an Iranian admiral threatened to send naval ships to patrol off U.S. waters.



Iran certainly seems edgy on account of the progress on the anti-ballistic missile shields that will be pointed specifically in their direction.



If you search back a few years ago, I made a comment about Iran wanting highly enriched uranium, not for nuclear weapons, but for use in nuclear powered naval vessels.  I still believe this to be true.


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Of course everyone is ready to hear all sorts of comments about how it's conveniently false. But how hard is it to imagine that these types of things actually happen?
Why do you think governments have all kinds of crazy special ops teams in the first place? :rolleyes:

Quote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/iran-terror-plot-reminds-washington-of-the-old-days-of-cloak-and-dagger/2011/10/11/gIQAIwWndL_story.html?hpid=z2

“Being the national capital adds a lot of prestige,” added the onetime head of the Senate Intelligence Committee and former 9/11 Commission member, “but also an element of clandestine behavior.”

For decades, Washington’s cloak-and-dagger operations have taken place in congressional cloakrooms, with knifey senators careful not to leave fingerprints. But the hits here weren’t always metaphorical.

In 1941, Walter Germanovich Krivitsky, a former KGB agent who had defected to the United States and written critically of the Soviet Union, was found dead in Washington’s Bellevue Hotel.

In 1954, Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the House chamber from the overhanging Ladies’ Gallery, wounding five members of Congress.

In 1976, agents of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet assassinated Marcos Orlando Letelier del Solar, an economist and diplomat who had taken refuge in Washington at American University and as a senior fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies. In Washington, Letelier spoke publicly against Pinochet’s regime and lobbied Congress to block loans to the dictator. Pinochet’s agents killed him and his assistant with a car bomb in Sheridan Circle.



As if dictators and oppressive regimes are all smiles and sunshine, right?




I think we should give them financial aid so they won't hurt us. :ooo:


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: Icelander]
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I smell another war on the way.


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: mister]
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Iran has nothing to gain from something like that.

They are not stupid enough to do something useless like that.

Its obvious that the story was fabricated by war mongers who have been beating the war drum, for Iran for years.


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Iran has nothing to gain from something like that.

They are not stupid enough to do something useless like that.



Iran, the unified country, or Iran, consisting of factions vying for power? There could be those to gain within Iran's power structure if the consequences favored them.

The hunch on the naval vessels makes sense to me, Seuss. :thumbup:

And, Icelander, I think that a swift fleet of drone strikes could pretty much settle the picture, concerning Iran. Probably the best way of dealing with them. :wink:


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god]
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What would any faction have to gain?

come on man quit drinking the kool aid and leave the war drum circle jerk already.

forget Iran, factions IN THE USA have WAY BIGGER THINGS TO GAIN FROM THIS FALSE INTEL.

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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: Shins] * 2
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Shins said:
What would any faction have to gain?



Oh you didn't know about the internal sparring that is happening within their power structure?

I wonder if this Iran place even exists at all. Maybe it's just a convenient story for the benefit of the rich.


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god]
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Remember the "wmds" in Iraq? Do you Remember how you believed? Easier to forget? Easier to hate? Easier to live in fear being lead around by the nose like a sheep?


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god]
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And, Icelander, I think that a swift fleet of drone strikes could pretty much settle the picture, concerning Iran. Probably the best way of dealing with them.

Why them and not Pakistan???


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god] * 1
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Iran, the unified country, or Iran, consisting of factions vying for power? There could be those to gain within Iran's power structure if the consequences favored them.



My thoughts, exactly.  Most western cultures have a difficult time understanding how fractured (or tribal) middle eastern countries are.  Imagine Democrats and Republicans, each with their own armies, each with their own religious flavor, each with their own fiefdoms, each trying to take absolute power from the other, and you kind of get an idea of what it is like over there...

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What would any faction have to gain?

come on man quit drinking the kool aid and leave the war drum circle jerk already.

forget Iran, factions IN THE USA have WAY BIGGER THINGS TO GAIN FROM THIS FALSE INTEL.



The :tinfoil: forum is down the hall, on the left. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.  :rolleyes:

(Perhaps you would like to back up some of your "captain obvious" claims with a little hard evidence rather than a bunch of appeal to emotion BS?  Oh wait, I forgot, that isn't how the conspiracy crowd work.  Never mind....)


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: GazzBut]
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GazzBut said:
Remember the "wmds" in Iraq? Do you Remember how you believed? Easier to forget? Easier to hate? Easier to live in fear being lead around by the nose like a sheep?



When all of that was happening, I really wasn't paying attention to begin with, so I don't know what to tell you. :lol:


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Why them and not Pakistan???



That's like asking why Libya and not Syria. :grin:


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: Shins] * 1
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Shins said:
Iran has nothing to gain from something like that.

They are not stupid enough to do something useless like that.




Right, just stupid enough to tolerate the illegal seizure and holding of a foreign embassy's diplomatic staff indefinitely, right in their capital?

Just stupid enough to publicly call for muslims to kill Salman Rushdie for "insulting islam"?

Just stupid enough to call for the overthrow a soveriegn nuclear state? (Israel)

Just stupid enough to appoint their government leaders supreme religious authorities with absolute jurisdiction over literally everything, including the life and death of people?

That country's been acting against its own self interest for years.  Hell, if it just left people alone outside its borders it wouldn't have the diplomatic and economic problems it has, but apparently its all worth it for them.

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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Icelander said:
Why them and not Pakistan???



That's like asking why Libya and not Syria. :grin:




OK why?


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god]
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Icelander said:
Why them and not Pakistan???



Read this and thought of your question. :grin:

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia-pacific/us-drone-strike-kills-haqqani-insider/2011/10/13/gIQA5rT3gL_story.html

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — Pakistani intelligence officials said a suspected CIA drone strike killed a Haqqani network insider in the northwestern part of the country on Thursday, in what appeared to be a direct hit on the Afghan militant group that the United States says is aided by Pakistan’s premier spy agency.

The strikes came as the U.S. special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Marc Grossman, arrived in the capital, Islamabad, to try to improve relations with Pakistan, which have gone from bad to worse amid escalating U.S. allegations of Pakistani support for the Haqqanis. Pakistan denies that it helps the group, but the army has also repeatedly refused to initiate military offensives against it.



They are already disregarding Pakistan's military by flying these things and striking targets in their territory. It's not directed against the government, but it is practically in spite of it, which is pretty significant. If they had reason to, I'm sure the U.S. would step up things against Pakistan in a similar manner.


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Re: Iranian Plots [Re: fireworks_god]
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Then that supports Zappa's contention that we pay them to let us do this.


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