Of course everyone is ready to hear all sorts of comments about how it's conveniently false. But how hard is it to imagine that these types of things actually happen?
Why do you think governments have all kinds of crazy special ops teams in the first place?

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/iran-terror-plot-reminds-washington-of-the-old-days-of-cloak-and-dagger/2011/10/11/gIQAIwWndL_story.html?hpid=z2

“Being the national capital adds a lot of prestige,” added the onetime head of the Senate Intelligence Committee and former 9/11 Commission member, “but also an element of clandestine behavior.”

For decades, Washington’s cloak-and-dagger operations have taken place in congressional cloakrooms, with knifey senators careful not to leave fingerprints. But the hits here weren’t always metaphorical.

In 1941, Walter Germanovich Krivitsky, a former KGB agent who had defected to the United States and written critically of the Soviet Union, was found dead in Washington’s Bellevue Hotel.

In 1954, Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the House chamber from the overhanging Ladies’ Gallery, wounding five members of Congress.

In 1976, agents of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet assassinated Marcos Orlando Letelier del Solar, an economist and diplomat who had taken refuge in Washington at American University and as a senior fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies. In Washington, Letelier spoke publicly against Pinochet’s regime and lobbied Congress to block loans to the dictator. Pinochet’s agents killed him and his assistant with a car bomb in Sheridan Circle.

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According to the complaint unsealed Tuesday, the Iranian government set in motion an international conspiracy to pay killers $1.5 million to assassinate Saudi Ambassador Adel al-Jubeir. Two Iranian operatives, linked to the elite Quds Force, sought to hire two men with ties to Mexican drug cartels to attack, among other things, the Saudi Embassy.

But the men turned out to be confidential sources for the Drug Enforcement Administration. The FBI said it monitored the movement of cash through a New York bank to Mansour Arbabsiar, a naturalized U.S. citizen, who was arrested Sept. 29. The other suspect is at large. The State Department said the suspects were never in possession of explosives.

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U.S. officials were similarly surprised last month when an Iranian admiral threatened to send naval ships to patrol off U.S. waters.

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The United States on Tuesday accused Iranian officials of plotting to murder Saudi Arabia’s ambassador to the United States in a bizarre scheme involving an Iranian-American used-car salesman who believed he was hiring assassins from a Mexican drug cartel for $1.5 million.

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fireworks_god said:

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U.S. officials were similarly surprised last month when an Iranian admiral threatened to send naval ships to patrol off U.S. waters.

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Iran certainly seems edgy on account of the progress on the anti-ballistic missile shields that will be pointed specifically in their direction.

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fireworks_god said:

Of course everyone is ready to hear all sorts of comments about how it's conveniently false. But how hard is it to imagine that these types of things actually happen?
Why do you think governments have all kinds of crazy special ops teams in the first place?

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/iran-terror-plot-reminds-washington-of-the-old-days-of-cloak-and-dagger/2011/10/11/gIQAIwWndL_story.html?hpid=z2

“Being the national capital adds a lot of prestige,” added the onetime head of the Senate Intelligence Committee and former 9/11 Commission member, “but also an element of clandestine behavior.”

For decades, Washington’s cloak-and-dagger operations have taken place in congressional cloakrooms, with knifey senators careful not to leave fingerprints. But the hits here weren’t always metaphorical.

In 1941, Walter Germanovich Krivitsky, a former KGB agent who had defected to the United States and written critically of the Soviet Union, was found dead in Washington’s Bellevue Hotel.

In 1954, Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the House chamber from the overhanging Ladies’ Gallery, wounding five members of Congress.

In 1976, agents of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet assassinated Marcos Orlando Letelier del Solar, an economist and diplomat who had taken refuge in Washington at American University and as a senior fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies. In Washington, Letelier spoke publicly against Pinochet’s regime and lobbied Congress to block loans to the dictator. Pinochet’s agents killed him and his assistant with a car bomb in Sheridan Circle.

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As if dictators and oppressive regimes are all smiles and sunshine, right?

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I think we should give them financial aid so they won't hurt us.

Shins said:

Iran has nothing to gain from something like that.

They are not stupid enough to do something useless like that.

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Iran, the unified country, or Iran, consisting of factions vying for power? There could be those to gain within Iran's power structure if the consequences favored them.

The hunch on the naval vessels makes sense to me, Seuss.

And, Icelander, I think that a swift fleet of drone strikes could pretty much settle the picture, concerning Iran. Probably the best way of dealing with them.

Shins said:

What would any faction have to gain?

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Iran, the unified country, or Iran, consisting of factions vying for power? There could be those to gain within Iran's power structure if the consequences favored them.

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What would any faction have to gain?

come on man quit drinking the kool aid and leave the war drum circle jerk already.

forget Iran, factions IN THE USA have WAY BIGGER THINGS TO GAIN FROM THIS FALSE INTEL.

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The forum is down the hall, on the left. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. 

(Perhaps you would like to back up some of your "captain obvious" claims with a little hard evidence rather than a bunch of appeal to emotion BS?  Oh wait, I forgot, that isn't how the conspiracy crowd work.  Never mind....)

GazzBut said:

Remember the "wmds" in Iraq? Do you Remember how you believed? Easier to forget? Easier to hate? Easier to live in fear being lead around by the nose like a sheep?

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When all of that was happening, I really wasn't paying attention to begin with, so I don't know what to tell you.

Icelander said:

Why them and not Pakistan???

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That's like asking why Libya and not Syria.

Shins said:

Iran has nothing to gain from something like that.

They are not stupid enough to do something useless like that.

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fireworks_god said:

Icelander said:

Why them and not Pakistan???

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That's like asking why Libya and not Syria.

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Icelander said:

Why them and not Pakistan???

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Read this and thought of your question.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia-pacific/us-drone-strike-kills-haqqani-insider/2011/10/13/gIQA5rT3gL_story.html

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — Pakistani intelligence officials said a suspected CIA drone strike killed a Haqqani network insider in the northwestern part of the country on Thursday, in what appeared to be a direct hit on the Afghan militant group that the United States says is aided by Pakistan’s premier spy agency.

The strikes came as the U.S. special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Marc Grossman, arrived in the capital, Islamabad, to try to improve relations with Pakistan, which have gone from bad to worse amid escalating U.S. allegations of Pakistani support for the Haqqanis. Pakistan denies that it helps the group, but the army has also repeatedly refused to initiate military offensives against it.

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The_Aviator said:

There will always be a conspiracy theorist somewhere ready to say that anything is fake. Not to say that false things aren't reported because that surely does occur too often. But we are talking about Iran here. A crazy theocracy. So I don't see why people think this is so unbelievable. There is no room for theocracies in an advanced and civilized future. Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have both displayed undeniable signs of corruption. It is unfair to the Iranian people that they have such power. Mousavi probably won the 2009 election but Iran obviously doesn't have anything close to democracy.

But of course the UN won't do shit about this. You can commit almost any crime if you have enough power and influence and the worst you'll get is a smack on the wrist.

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Shins said:

Prove it.

i hate how you guys all assume so much.

prove that this intel is genuine.

im sick of you light hearted war mongers.

what is the motive?

until then, shut up or put up.

get real.

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The White House spokesman, Jay Carney, would not go further than to say the plot “clearly involved senior levels of the Quds Force.” But other American officials, armed with evidence such as bank transfers and intercepted telephone calls and with knowledge of how the covert unit operated in the past, said they believed that Iran’s senior leaders were likely complicit in the plot.

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American officials offered no specific evidence linking the plot to Iran’s most senior leaders. But they said it was inconceivable in Iran’s hierarchy that the leader of the shadowy Quds Force, Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani, was not directly involved, and that the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, was not aware of such a plan.

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Shins said:

In science and justice, the burden of proof is on the one making the claims.

too bad you guys know more about war mongering than science or justice, obviously.

pathetically ignorant and gulliable.

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Shins said:

why it is unimaginable to some people that factions in the USA would want to pin it on the iranian government for political reasons is just a downright irresponsible folly.

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Shins said:

In science and justice, the burden of proof is on the one making the claims.

too bad you guys know more about war mongering than science or justice, obviously.

pathetically ignorant and gulliable.

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AsAboveSoBelow said:

isn't it common sense? Do prosecutors go into court and tell the defense to provide the evidence of guilt instead of the prosecutor? No, that's fucking insane. Are we in the twilight zone or...?

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Shins said:

Prove it.

i hate how you guys all assume so much.

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im sick of you light hearted war mongers.

what is the motive?

until then, shut up or put up.

get real.

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AsAboveSoBelow said:

Are you people not even aware of Eric holder and others being subpoenaed over fast and furious and now we're to believe some used carsalesmen is involved in terror plots? context is pretty important here.. You're acting like this Iranian plot just came out of nowhere

This is on the level of WMDs in Iraq...

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Shins said:

Prove it.

i hate how you guys all assume so much.

prove that this intel is genuine.

im sick of you light hearted war mongers.

what is the motive?

until then, shut up or put up.

get real.

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The_Aviator said:

And who ever said anything about war? Only you.

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He has evidence that it's just being used as an excuse for war.

Shins said:

Prove it.

i hate how you guys all assume so much.

prove that this intel is genuine.

im sick of you light hearted war mongers.

what is the motive?

until then, shut up or put up.

get real.

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mister said:

The best we can do is sit back and watch the chips fall where the will. Between this act of Iran and all of the wall st protests, one is left to wonder, where are we headed as a country?

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Even if America engaged in military action in Iran, it'd likely be under the helm of the fighter drones. It only makes sense.
Occupy protestors are just a kooky fad that, other than being a media sensation, is viewed by most Americans with disinterest.

fireworks_god said:

Occupy protestors are just a kooky fad that, other than being a media sensation, is viewed by most Americans with disinterest.

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lines said:

If it doesn't interest you then why are you commenting on it?

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I didn't know we had a Jedi in our presence.

despisedicon said:

The Iranian ayatollahs are a dying regime.  The U.S. and Israel have been embarrassing the Iranians by doing assassinations of scientists and flipping some to Western countries.  I would not be surprised if Iran were ambitious enough to try to pull this off as they don't like Saudis or Americans.  Shins and GazzBut are 9/11 troofers so they are only thinking about this from one direction.

But on the other hand it doesn't seem like a well crafted scheme on the Iranians part, and may not be hatched by the ayatollahs and their little monkey puppet. We don't know enough yet, but it may just be someone with money not affiliated with Iranian leadership.

Iran will get fucked up if it has anymore tampering on U.S. soil.  We have no beef with the Iranian people, the U.S. was wrong to overthrow their leadership, but regardless of past administration mistakes, I would support bombing Iranian sites to overthrow the leadership if they try anymore shit.  No nation building, no boots on the ground.

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