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What do mushrooms love about dung?
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What nutrients do cubes need? What are they getting from the dung that they are also able to get from BRF or other grains?


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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: unfoldedbrain]
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I actually don't think it's just mushrooms that love dung.  From what I've seen on the internet it's really not so uncommon these days.

I don't understand it myself.  I think you and I are just behind the times.  :shrug:


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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: Shpongle1]
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Hey old man don't get me wrong I was into dung before it was cool, I just want to know why?


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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: unfoldedbrain]
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LOL, old man.  I'm 23.  :lol:

I've always been somewhat curious too.

It's not just any dung that they love though, as far as I understand.  It's crucial what the animal fed on so I believe it's just that certain mushrooms require certain levels of different compounds and elements and depending on the diet of the animal, the animal metabolizes the proper food into matter with ideal amounts of the mushroom nutrients needed for that species.

I think.


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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: Shpongle1]
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pound for pound there's probably more nutrients in brown rice. But, with bulk grows you can tip the scales. It's best to have many different things as opposed to just poop, or just straw, etc. Here's some links for you.

Fire-Fang
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6453184

CH Hell addatives
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11438556/page/8


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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: Shpongle1]
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Thats what I figured. I'm just really curious as to what it is in that dung. Cause if they love dung so much and only grow on that in the wild then why does rice or rye work. I guess cows eat grass and grains and stuff so the nutrients are probably similar. I'm curious because I work in a health food store and they don't have just one kind of brown rice, they've got like 6 or 7 different kinds and some are higher in protein and some have more carbs or are higher in different vitamins, and in addition to that they have all different kinds of other grains with way more of certain nutrients but less of others. I've seen some posts on here about people mixing flax seed with their rice with good results. So I want to know what it is about the flax that is helping. Protein? Fiber? Omega oils? Certain Vitamins?


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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: unfoldedbrain]
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Great links, thank you for that.


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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: unfoldedbrain]
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in nature its everything active in the dung with the mycelium

in controlled grows, its moisture retention, body, and nutrient

no more special nutrient than grass(broad usage here), because most of it is grass anyway right.

i imagine, the dung loving bacteria and beneficial microbes that go dormant temporarily after pasteurization, are an extremely beneficial factor in poop, that other substrates do NOT provide(brf, coir, grain, etc)




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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: just me]
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imagine, the dung loving bacteria and beneficial microbes that go dormant temporarily after pasteurization, are an extremely beneficial factor in poop, that other substrates do NOT provide(brf, coir, grain, etc)



Yes, and likely poo is a good source of Nitrogen considering most vegetarian animals eat plant matter!
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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: unfoldedbrain]
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I dont think the nutritional profile of dung is very spectacular, its digested material after all.

For dung fungi it has some nice benefits over ordinary plant debris though. This is what I've picked up on the topic while randomly reading on the web, its pretty basic stuff and easy to find with some googling.

-First of all, its full of dead and dying bacterias which is a decent source of nitrogen- and precursor compounds.

-The animals own waste products are dumped with gall fluid, and provides more useful compounds.

-There is ample of cellulose fiber that is easier to break up and down because they are worked over by the animals digestive system and its bacterias. All the plant fibers probably has lots more surface area compared to non-digested material which makes it much more susceptible to the fungus' own enzymes. (This is one of the main challenges when making bio-fuel from cellulose today, it takes time to break up crystalline fences of cellulose. More surface area for the enzymes to work on speed up the process.)

-After pasteurization the endospores germinate and reestablish a bacterial culture, they produce some anti fungal compounds that keep mold at bay but, the dung fungi are highly resistant to these which is one of their main advantages. Its not unlikely that the there is symbiotic relationships between the dung fungi and some bacterias either.

-Dung probably doesn't have much easy available nutrients either, which makes it less appealing to more opportunistic microbes like molds, yeast and bacterias that typicaly spoil food.


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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: chobumms]
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chobumms said:
Yes, and likely poo is a good source of Nitrogen considering most vegetarian animals eat plant matter!
:smile:



haha I think by definition all vegetarian animals eat plant matter.
Thanks for all the great info guy's. Keep it coming if anyone else has more to add.


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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: unfoldedbrain]
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On a side note, mushrooms... REALLY like poop.

I threw a few contamed cakes outside and they actually still sprouted up a few pins here and there, real little guys...

Out of curiosity I did the same thing with a contamed tub but threw on some horseshit as an experiment. The pins were literally 4x the girth of the other outside cakes, and didn't reach maturity early like the others.

They're real shit eatin bastards.


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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: ManicMongrel]
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ManicMongrel said:
I dont think the nutritional profile of dung is very spectacular, its digested material after all.

For dung fungi it has some nice benefits over ordinary plant debris though. This is what I've picked up on the topic while randomly reading on the web, its pretty basic stuff and easy to find with some googling.

-First of all, its full of dead and dying bacterias which is a decent source of nitrogen- and precursor compounds.

-The animals own waste products are dumped with gall fluid, and provides more useful compounds.

-There is ample of cellulose fiber that is easier to break up and down because they are worked over by the animals digestive system and its bacterias. All the plant fibers probably has lots more surface area compared to non-digested material which makes it much more susceptible to the fungus' own enzymes. (This is one of the main challenges when making bio-fuel from cellulose today, it takes time to break up crystalline fences of cellulose. More surface area for the enzymes to work on speed up the process.)

-After pasteurization the endospores germinate and reestablish a bacterial culture, they produce some anti fungal compounds that keep mold at bay but, the dung fungi are highly resistant to these which is one of their main advantages. Its not unlikely that the there is symbiotic relationships between the dung fungi and some bacterias either.

-Dung probably doesn't have much easy available nutrients either, which makes it less appealing to more opportunistic microbes like molds, yeast and bacterias that typicaly spoil food.



That's good that it's digested, since they are between partial primary decomposers and secondary decomposers. I don't think mushroom spores will germinate on a pasteurized substrate either, even if there's poop. There's spores in the air of fungi/mold that are much more aggressive than mushrooms, and they would win if only there was myc. The mycelium and spores will die well before 160-180. I think there's no easily accessible sugars to germinate the spores, because the bacteria will be eating them. I don't think mold spores don't get eaten by bacteria, they just don't germinate.


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Re: What do mushrooms love about dung? [Re: maug]
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ummmm something about poop being a source of nitrogen in the form of proteins seems to fit the bill on this question...

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